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lidge
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184 Posts |
 Posted - 10/27/2007 : 10:34:16
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After reading Sarno's books over and over - praying and hoping that this is indeed my problem- I find that there is enough information to make me feel I have TMS, but also enough to make me fear there is no way I will eliminate my pain through TMS therapy.
This is starting to eat me alive, as I wonder where the denial might be- is it a denial
of how emotions affect me physically- or denial of real structural problems that have
no good remedy.
I am gathering evidence and don't know what side to come down on. I will see a TMS doctor soon, but the fear is overtaking me.
My neck pain, which seems completely better these past few weeks (following epidural) is creeping back. I feel that spot on the back of my neck where it is exquisitely painful if I press and I can't help but think this is structural. I have mulitilevel degenerated
discs in my neck and a large osteophyte which is apparently impinging nerves. If the pain is really structural (and Sarno admits there is a spectrum) what in the world can I do other than fusion surgery? Am I kidding myself?
The back pain I think may be a distraction from the horrible neck situation. I just don't know.
To boot, I have a problem with my ear where I asked for an eartube to put in and then taken out, leaving me with a perforation which hasn't healed and is causing unbelievable problems. My neck and ear problems started last year, getting worse. When it became clear that the eartube was a failure- I developed back pain the next month. Had it since May!
I have been told either nothing is wrong, or that I am "damaged goods" as Sarno says.
I'm praying a TMS doctor can help me sort it out. Will see him soon but I'm very afraid.
When the pain is here, I'm afraid. When I'm not in pain, I feel like perhaps this is TMS.
I don't even know why I'm writing this other than to put it "out there". When I read
Sarno's books about people who were nonfunctioning due to pain, I identify- but fear that I am one of those who come down more on the structural pain end of the spectrum.
I know the fear is counterproductive, however when you gather evidence and it doesn't lead you where you hope, the fear emerges. I don't know if anyone can identify- when people who have had fusion surgery (but for the back) say that only TMS has helped them I feel elated. Elated that maybe there is hope for me. But the neck pain is back and while
I know the pain-free period may have been placebo, I can't help but wonder.
As I said, don't even know why I'm posting. Just feeling that my neck is in fact, fragile, and that life will never return to normal. TMS in conjunction with real structural problems that probably cannot be fixed is a bitter pill to swallow. The perfect storm of misery. I guess all I can do is try to face the fear in the hopes this
will help SOMETHING. Maybe just hoping someone can identify.
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carbar
USA
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Posted - 10/27/2007 : 10:45:50
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Hi Lidge,
It sounds like you are in a tough spot today. Lots of fear and anxiety come across in your post.
In prior posts it sounds like you have had some relief and a lot of evidence that your pain fits the TMS profile.
It's natural to have doubts early in the process. It sounds like seeing a TMS doctor would give you reassurance. How soon is your appointment?
You know, fear isn't necessarily the worst thing to feel. That's one of the emotions that Sarno talks about repressing. It is absolutely terrifying to consider that there is something medical wrong with you that will prevent you from having a happy and fulfilling life. Just writing that gives me a little tremble of fear. The fact that fear is coming out now that you are into reading Sarno is in my mind a sign that it's working for you.
Fear doesn't feel great, but neither does physical pain. You can push through the fear! Keep your eye on that TMS doc appointment, but don't overlook all the progress you have posted about here on the forum -- you are working hard on this on your own!
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JohnD
USA
371 Posts |
Posted - 10/27/2007 : 10:48:13
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Lidge,
I'm glad you put this "out there". It can be very tough sometimes and obviously you are going through one of the tougher times in the TMS treatment. SOmetimes you just gotta chalk it up as a bad day/week/month and try your best to forget about it. As hard as it may seem, can you try to withhold judgement until you receive some more support from a TMS doc? I would recommend that you be honest with the TMS doc about the exact doubts, worry, fear etc... that is within you.
I also saw something that struck a cord with me in your post. You talk alot about fear. You mentioned that you fear that is is structural and then you also fear that you are hurting the TMS process by feeling afraid. So basically you're afraid and you're not letting it be ok just to be afraid for the time being. THats a tough spot to be in. COuld you try making it ok for you to feel fear? If you make it ok to feel afraid (fear is a normal feeling that we all feel after all), then this may reduce some of the internal conflict within you that could be contributing more to the problem, and will also help you be more accepting of yourself in general.
There is nothing wrong with being afraid, if you feel it and process it then it may actually pass sooner.....as opposed to opposing it and not letting it be ok to feel then it becomes stuck and actually plagues you longer. How about trying to feel angry when you get afraid or just in general. Does it make you mad that you are going through this tough time and other people are out there running marathons at age 80? I know that would piss me off! If you tap into some of that anger it may be helpful to you.
Hope you can find some peace of mind until you meet with the TMS doc. |
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lidge
USA
184 Posts |
Posted - 10/27/2007 : 11:19:49
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I very much appreciate your replies-my appt. with TMS doctor is about a week away-
I felt on days I was making some progress, but not having had the neck pain for a few weeks, I was able to completely put it out of my mind. When it wasn't hurting, I wasn't thinking about it. My focus was on the back issue. I wanted to believe that both the neck and back were TMS manifestations because it gave me hope of resuming a pain-free
(or at least manageable) life.
Now with the neck pain creeping back, I have to wonder - was it in fact the epidural which is now wearing off- even Sarno describes that many will get a month or so of relief from the epidural. Yet it is still unclear to me whether my lack of pain was placebo, real relief from cortisone etc. I know when I went to the pain doc a few days after the shot- I did not feel neck relief. It took awhile.
I suppose if there was a question in my rambling,it is whether Sarno thinks that TMS can emerge not just as distraction from repressed anger, but also as a distraction from a physical problem that has no real good remedy. An extreme example would be,
if a person was diagnosed with terminal cancer, might they then develop a physical pain somewhere that served to distract them from the hopelessness of their diagnosis? Or is it just ANGER at the diagnosis?
I am convinced that some of my symptoms are TMS- but in the case of my ear, I developed a true problem. Now with my neck, I don't know what to believe.
Yes John I do feel ANGRY, and I have for a long time. Anger from childhood, and now
anger at the medical system and doctor after doctor treating me like a body part.
Yes the conflicts are overwhelming me as I find I can never quite fit in NEATLY anywhere.
I wish Sarno had written in more detail the degree to which certain structural problems can cause pain. All I could find about osteophytes(bone spur) is one line in which he
says an arthritic spur would cause constant pain. Well, in a way I did have constant pain, but it varied alot in degree.
Perhaps one of the fears is that the TMS doc will tell me the neck is real problem- leaving me once again with the question- what do I do about it? After reading this board
and other sites, I fear the fusion more than ever- because it seems to be a money driven
operation.
I guess I want so much to take back the power from the doctors that I can taste it -
I have enormous fear that I will be "thrown to the lions" once again. I think the fear is justified as is the anger- just don't know how to ever get to the endgame when the
path is so unclear. The neck pain creeping back has just been a devastating blow for me.
I can imagine how people must feel when they have surgery that doesn't work.
Thank you guys for the kind words - I know this isnt supposed to be a support group but I
just had to let it hang out today.
I want so much to release this pain and feel the fear instead of it. But I find that all that happens is that I feel the fear on top of the pain. Sorry for rambling.
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armchairlinguist
USA
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Posted - 10/27/2007 : 11:21:31
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carbar and JohnD have responded so eloquently...all I can add is one small observation:
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I feel that spot on the back of my neck where it is exquisitely painful if I press and I can't help but think this is structural.
This could very well be a trigger point (tight bundle of muscle all knotted up) in which case it would be quite likely to have been created by the oxygen deprivation and tension that are typical of TMS. I had quite a number of these hard tender points. (They are mostly still there, in fact, though smaller and not painful -- only activated by stress.)
Also, just a quick thought -- you write that you don't want to get into the 'money game' of surgeries. But if you visit a TMS doc and find that one problem in particular is diagnosed as physical and needs surgery, then you would have much more assurance than most that the surgery would be appropriate for you. Surgery is kind of a money game because many people only get it because surgeons can't think of any other option. You wouldn't be in that situation, you would have been diagnosed by a doc who does know of other options, and still recommended surgery.
Just out of curiosity, which TMS doc are you seeing?
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Edited by - armchairlinguist on 10/27/2007 11:25:00 |
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lidge
USA
184 Posts |
Posted - 10/27/2007 : 12:02:26
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ACL- Dr. Gwozdz in NJ-
He is a family physician who was treated himself by Sarno. But my fear is that being a family physician, he will not have the confidence, given my MRIs, to say yes, this is
surely TMS. I am really confused at this point, because on the one hand, Sarno talks about the discs not causing pain, but then there is always that fraction of people for whom this is not true and I fear being part of that group.
In Sarno's books, he talks about distinguishing between structural and psychosomatic. It seems he often relies on past history etc - childhood, past TMS like symptoms. But there is a danger in that there is the "halo" effect- even if I fit the mold of TMS (which I do!) there might still be a structural reason for the problem.
That spot on my neck isn't tender like muscle,- it is a sharp stinging pain when I touch the bone (disc?) - that is presumably where nerve is being pinched.
I have been so baffled as the worst of the damage in the neck is on the left side and the pain is predominately on the right side- also in the center right where the discs are.
I have been given some fuzzy explanations, the best of which is by a neurosurgeon who said that is where the pinching is. I have (knock wood) no arm pain.
I think if I could have surgery like Laura Bush had- just unpinch the nerve or whatever, I could deal with it. But the extent of the surgery the neuro talked about was so major
that I can't wrap my brain around doing it.
Wouldn't it be nice if there was a TMS neurosurgeon or orthapedist? Someone who could
read an MRI with confidence yet still understand the psychosomatic component!
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armchairlinguist
USA
1397 Posts |
Posted - 10/27/2007 : 13:54:48
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I think drziggles who sometimes posts on this board is a neurologist, actually, but I could be misremembering.
I think your TMS doctor will read the MRI reports, rather than the MRI directly. AFAIK this is the case even with specialists. I used to work for a breast surgeon, and she did look directly at the scans but she also used the report from the doctor who read the scans. That is a different specialty, then the reports are written up which can be more generally understood.
It's possible you do have a combination of TMS and something else. One way of dealing with that, provided you don't have anything identified that needs immediate treatment, is to assume provisionally that everything is TMS and see what goes away. Another way would be to get some minimal invasive (surgical) treatment done, and then apply TMS to the rest.
I sense what you are most worried about is that there is no path out. That's absolutely what most of us fear, I think, when we first are introduced to TMS and unsure. And everyone at first fears that they are the one it won't work for, that they are stuck. Based on statistics around here, that's unlikely.
The most likely is that either all your pain will be amenable to TMS treatment, or that some will be amenable to TMS and some amenable to surgical or other traditional medical treatment. I think a TMS doctor will be able to tell you what you need to know. If he has areas of concern that he feels are not TMS, he can refer you to a specialist for that particular issue. You'll have a better chance of getting the kind of treatment you need because the TMS issues can be separated from the physical ones by a doctor who knows about both. Definitely make sure that the doctorknows as much about your emotional and physical history and your concerns as possible. The more they know, the better they can do their job.
The level of participation that your emotional state seems to have in your pain, and the amount of variability in your pain, is pretty typical of TMS stories I've seen here and in the books.
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But there is a danger in that there is the "halo" effect- even if I fit the mold of TMS (which I do!) there might still be a structural reason for the problem.
I'm actually not sure I understand this. TMS isn't diagnosed by exclusion; it's diagnosed by information about your symptom patterns as well as your emotional history. This is why the doctor needs to know as much as possible about both.
Also, you might check out again what Sarno says about pinched nerves.
In MBP he says:
"Bone spurs (osteophytes) are common, and may narrow the opening through which spinal nerves emerge (intervertebral foramina). However, one of these openings would have to be virtually obliterated before causing any problem with the emerging nerve. Despite that, doctors continue to claim that the nerve is 'pinched' and attribute the arm and hand pain to that."
He's talking generally about upper body pain in this paragraph. There's also a quote from HBP here: http://tmshelp.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=126
"Persistent compression of a nerve will produce objective numbness (absence of pain on testing)."
I.e. pinched nerves should cause the absence of pain, not pain.
One thing you can do for yourself while waiting for your appointment is what smashist described as "gathering evidence": look for signs you may have previously missed that your diagnosed 'injuries' don't match your pain, and that your pain patterns vary in way that doesn't suggest true physical injury. Changing your thinking about the physical body is the first step. Our bodies are resilient, fast-healing miracles, not old fault-prone creaking machines. 
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vikki
95 Posts |
Posted - 10/27/2007 : 14:00:21
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Originally posted by lidge
That spot on my neck isn't tender like muscle,- it is a sharp stinging pain when I touch the bone (disc?) - that is presumably where nerve is being pinched.
Several weeks ago, I had knee pain that I treated as TMS and overcame. There was a tender spot on my knee. When I had my major TMS issues a couple of years ago, my neck and shoulders were tender. There's nothing about tenderness that indicates it isn't TMS.
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Originally posted by lidge
I have been so baffled as the worst of the damage in the neck is on the left side and the pain is predominately on the right side- also in the center right where the discs are.
And this should help convince you it's TMS! If your pain doesn't seem to correlate with the findings of x-rays and MRIs, this suggests it's TMS. My TMS doctor (also a family doc) told me he looks for stuff like this.
I know how frustrated you feel. Is there anything you can do today or over the next week to prevent yourself from obsessing over it? How about taking a walk? Or going someplace interesting? Sometimes I think the best way to overcome the pain is to stop thinking about it for a while (even from a TMS perspective) -- this diminishes the importance of it in your mind. |
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lidge
USA
184 Posts |
Posted - 10/27/2007 : 14:41:05
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Thanks again- don't want to ruin your day with this!
ACL- re halo effect- Example: Child A always behaves in class and is perceived to be a good kid by the teacher. Well, the teachers's back is turned and someone throws a spitball. Maybe it is Child A, but the teacher will likely look to one of the kids who is perceived as a troublemaker. The same with Sarno (and other doctors) who look to history as substantiation of TMS. Sort of the old joke that even paranoids have real enemies.
Yes, I do hold on to the notion that a compressed nerve should cause numbness. Not sure if it is matter of degree. It seems that none of the orthos, neuros accept this as they are not surprised I am in pain. I did not ever pose the question as to why I had no numbness. I suppose they would just say everyone is "different'. I can see on the MRI where there is "narrowing" where the nerve is but it certainly isn't totally obliterated. Is Sarno saying that a totally obliterated nerve would cause pain, or only numbness?
If Sarno is right, then it can't be structural as it is not totally obliterated. It is narrowed in much the same way you seen narrowing of a herniated disc in the lumbar spine, but in three places.
Yes I should stop thinking about it- but I find when the pain is bad I can't think of anything else. That is something I have yet to master.
Thanks so much to you too Vicki.
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la_kevin
USA
351 Posts |
Posted - 10/27/2007 : 18:51:40
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Lidge,
I have been EXACTLY where you are now. I know exactly what you're going through and feeling. I really wish I could tell you something to magically take it away but as we know I can't. All I can say is don't give up hope, and try your best to be aware of the rage you feel. Years of Doctors with no answers, TMS pain, life coming to a halt,etc. These things certainly create rage in themselves. Just be aware. And do what you can to talk to a therapist, I really think you are a "candidate" for it. And when I say that, it doesn't mean anything like you're an outcast or something. I just mean I think you would benefit from it.
I know it's hard to focus through the pain. You want to be "good" and say all the right things and not piss too many off. But please, if you get a chance, go somewhere where people can't hear you and scream your ass off and punch a pillow or something. Just try it once and see what happens. |
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lidge
USA
184 Posts |
Posted - 10/27/2007 : 19:11:26
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Kevin-
I sent you an email asking about your phone therapist- you mentioned you could share the name- wondering if you ever got it.
Yeah, you're right about the rage re lousy doctors, limitations etc. I've done alot of screaming trust me. Whatever anger I had in me from my past has been multiplied 100 fold by my experiences with the medical "profession"
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la_kevin
USA
351 Posts |
Posted - 10/27/2007 : 19:20:02
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Oh sorry,
I haven't checked my email for a few days. Lemme check. There any way to send PM's in this forum? I checked my emails lidge and can't find it. Maybe because the email I gave was my spam/throw away email address. Can you give me your email address here, and I'll just send you his info? |
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lidge
USA
184 Posts |
Posted - 10/27/2007 : 20:04:45
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Kevin-
If you could sent it to Rcorey@comcast.net. I had my email up but after seeing some weirdos on here I took it off-
Didn't mean to put you on the spot.
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JohnD
USA
371 Posts |
Posted - 10/27/2007 : 21:59:18
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I second Kevin's notion. Lidge - if you were best my friend asking me for advice I would tell you to get as much good support as possible. Follow through with your appt with the TMS doc, see a TMS therapist if possible, do your best to create some time during your day to relax and not over-focus on this so much. Keep a journal on the ebbs and flows of the pain that was mentioned in another post recently. Do everything you can to help yourself. You might want to pick the brains of some of the veterans here on the site about what has worked for them and try it for yourself. They are a very valuable resource.
Good luck
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stanfr
USA
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Posted - 10/27/2007 : 23:27:53
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| Lidge, it really sounds like you need some reassurance from a TMS doc and that's how you should proceed. Try to relax until then. When i first figured out i had TMS 10+ yrs ago it took Sarno himself to get me to overcome my doubts. He mocked my MRIs and said he had seen much much worse. I really needed to hear that. The tone im getting from your posts is that you know in your gut that that is the problem, and im not sure what you are doing to treat it as TMS, but it wouldnt hurt to start if you haven't already. For example, you say several times that you "cant help" but wonder/doubt etc. Au contraire--whenever the slightest doubt appears, you can verbally denounce it, again and again and again. Say it to yourself, out loud, and in writing. The more you do, the more it will replace that nagging voice. I think you will be pleasnatly surprised by what you hear from someone trained in the diagnosis. |
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lidge
USA
184 Posts |
Posted - 10/28/2007 : 08:26:11
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Thank you for the good advice. I had thought about seeing Sarno but
assumed, perhaps wrongly, that he would have a long wait and be super expensive. Plus much easier not to go to NYC the way I feel. But yes,
I would love for someone to tell me that this 100% TMS. While my neck may or may not be, I am utterly baffled about my back if it is not TMS. If its deconditioning, I can't imagine the pain would waken me from sleep (last night too,ugh!). I have had MRIs of my lumbar spine and sacroiliac area. Other than a central herniated disc at L4-L4 there is nothing like in the cervical area.
Yesterday, just walked around a store for maybe 10 minutes and had to
go back to the car. I start to feel a sort of low grade panic-
what in the world can this be? Why would it not be going away?
Then, even in sleep the pain wakes me up. Of course you can't help but think they are missing something.
Re the neck- I was reading a book by a surgeon in which he stated that unlike a herniated disc, an osteophyte never recedes. So I assume that the neck pain will never go away. I can't help but think that this bizarre back pain is a distraction from the neck pain. A form of TMS at least.
Has anyone seen Sarno that has osteophyte? Does he think it almost never causes pain?
I'm sorry for whining but I'm tired, tired, tired. I want to live my life in peace and pain-free. I am going to see an endocrinologist to discuss my bone density and vitamin D levels - this may be playing a part. I don't want to spend another day of my life like this. I will try harder to not let the fear overtake me.
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JohnD
USA
371 Posts |
Posted - 10/28/2007 : 08:45:30
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Did you make a real effort to try some of the things that people recommended? Most of the recommendations made on this board aren't something you try once and then if it doesn't work you go read a book about possible physical causes of pain. The things that the veterans here recommend are lifestyle changes in the way you relate to your pain. These are every minute of the day changes. If you truly give these things a try you will find the answer for yourself. You won't need to read books about theories of pain, you will just know your body better and be able to figure it out for yourself. Many of the veterans here have had real injuries at one time or another, and are able to know that it wasn't TMS, get correct treatment and move forward with life. But the people who are able to do that have earned that, it came from putting in the work day after day and getting to know themselves and their bodies better.
What is so bad about being in pain? I mean yeah it hurts but there are worse things in this life. Alot of people are in all types of pain all the time. I'd rather be in pain than be a child born in the middle of a war and have that be the only thing you know in this world. What about having your leg and arm blown off by a bomb when you aren't even old enough to read. Now that is an extreme hardship. TMS or another form of bodily pain isn't anywhere near that. Its only so bad because our minds have already decided how the pain is going to constantly affect us. But that is just a thought, its not reality. Unless you played 12 years in the NFL as a running back and had your body banged on week in and week out by 300 lb linemen, then I highly doubt your case will turn into a chronic issue.....the percentages are on your side on this one my friend. Can you even let yourself imagine a pain free life?
Is it really the pain that hurts so bad or the fact that pain affects your life and your future so much that you just can't take it anymore?
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skizzik
USA
783 Posts |
Posted - 10/28/2007 : 09:15:58
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Originally posted by lidge
I start to feel a sort of low grade panic-
what in the world can this be?
I get this too. Instead of a full out panic attack, I get this wierd malaise feeling, or fatigue, or sense I'm gonna pass out. I've gotten better control of it and the pain however. Not because I'm better than you, but I've just been doing the work for months and months, and realized the "control" has to emerge from w/ in over time w/ the constant work.
I thought I could just read the Sarno stuff over and over, but as Sarno states "if the pain (symptoms) are severe and chronic", "than that which is causing it is severe and chronic."
Now I feel that the pain (symptoms) are less severe and chronic, therefore, I've reduced/reckognized/accepted my accumulated rage to a point where it is less severe and chronic. But this took so much time. But why not, it took decades to develop. A year seems like nothing now.
I've forced myself to go golfing every wed nite w/ the guys at the end of summer. The first time I was so nauseas I thought I would never make it there. When I got there I was so happy I went. When we hit bumps on the cart, I could feel my vertebrae crack against ea other, but my back didn't break off itself. And I havent had that sensation since. (hmmmm)
I've gone 7-8 times since. The time b4 this last one, I got the dizzies so bad, and could'nt talk to the guys, I thought for sure I was gonna pass out in front of them, and it never happened. Then I reminded myself of Sensei's Adams literature that TMS (in his words PIPS psych inducd pain syndrms) fights back, and we should think of it as a seperate being that we are in battle with.
So I reminded myself that I must be on to something, or accepting something in my life in my daily journaling and my mind was cranking up the symptomps and this relaxed me, and the dizzies and BP eased up. I went to bed w/ a horrible migraine however, and was fine the next morning.
I feel the worst is behind me, and I have been where you are just this year, and used to post like you did. Just last nite however I got a flare up in the low spine so bad, and 4 mos ago I would've been fantasizing about surgeries, but I chalked it up to a "spinegraine" and automatically after a couple structural thoughts wondered what was generating tension in my life that was causing my mind to have to distract me.
I did not put the pressure on myself to get rid of the pain immediately, even though I was sitting at a fancy dinner w/ all our friends. I, Like Vikki on that plane, refused to adjust my posture and continued to slouch, and bared the knife in my back pain.
In waves the pain came and went thru out the nite as well as the malaise feeling. But I said just like the migraine I would probably be fine in the morning. And like Dave here says that TMS fades, not dissapears over nite for most. And I have no symptoms this morning. Except for the feeling I'm not 100%.
I dreamt like crazy last nite. All these awkward and pressure filled things in my life were in front of me. I guess thats why I have no pain in my sleep, it all comes out at night.
I hope my experience helps you lidge. I wish I could say that I'm 100%, which I'm not yet. But when I look back at my life this year, I've gone from journaling 12 pages a day, listening to the Sarno CD to and fro work for 4 mos, reading HBP,MBP at every red light in the car, not being able to enjoy anything else at all, horrible BP, horrible structural thoughts, chronic fatigue: to now I'm gonna take my boys to the driving range and putt putt, I can listen to music again, and enjoy TV again for the first time in a long time. I'm only journaling 2 or so pages a day now, and they really don't include writing about my pain like they once did. Not because I forced it out of me, but because it seemed to emerge this way.
I still get flare ups, and fear, like last nite, and 4 days of dizzyness last week, that I was able to tell myself it would be short lived and it did go away. Oh yeah, prostatitis the week b4 that I waited out. I kept a "symptom of the week chart"  in my journal, which has helped.
Several times I felt I turned a corner and was getting better only to question myself after flaring up and panicking. But in the long term I can see it has gotten better.
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lidge
USA
184 Posts |
Posted - 10/28/2007 : 09:15:58
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John-
I journal and surround myself with Sarnos books. I have read them cover to cover and keep referring back to it for support. I come on this board rather than "googling" my symptoms. And you know, I am
going to a TMS doc.
Yes, people have it worse- I do try to remind myself. But truly to live life like this is a waste. Life really is too short to be disabled by this.
It really is the pain that gets to me- I had a day here and there where the pain was not as bad and I really didn't attend to it- I was able to do few things around the house etc. I try to hold on to those days as "proof of TMS".
Yes John I do imagine a pain free life. It really gets to you waking up in horrid pain- it makes no sense. I can't argue with anything you have said. I have to do better. I can't afford to let my brain ruin my life. |
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skizzik
USA
783 Posts |
Posted - 10/28/2007 : 09:16:58
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| whoops we posted at the same time, I hope you read my post to you lidge. |
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armchairlinguist
USA
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Posted - 10/28/2007 : 10:42:56
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Hey lidge, did you read what I quoted from Sarno about osteophytes?
I get the feeling you are doing a common thing and you are reading the books but you are failing to see exactly where they apply to you because your unconscious mind doesn't want you to accept those parts. Try really hard to focus on what Sarno says about your symptoms and similar. Instead of doubting, try to believe. See how what he says applies to you. See how you're similar to other people in the books.
Doubt is automatic and belief requires effort, especially to overcome the unconscious' forced blind spots.
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It's not 100% belief that's required, but 100% commitment. |
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Feeling Distraught
