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tennis tom
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 Posted - 05/27/2013 : 00:22:54
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That's great alix, I apologize for all the bad advice I gave you and a full refund is in the mail to you. You are still writing about TMS here, why are you and a couple of others opposed to others writing about TMS and name calling TMS authors?
Are you treating your allergies as TMS, you know they may be? I used to get hay-fever, then realized it was TMS and it's gone. My gf had asthma sine childhood, I showed her the chapter from a TMS book about asthma and it's GONE!
I just don't get all the hating against TMS authors at a TMS message board, weird. Oh I know everyone should read ACE and whatever helped them and nobody else.
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alix
USA
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Posted - 05/27/2013 : 00:52:00
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Allergies are TMS and as long as I am dealing with that I won't post my success story.
Some books are great. HBP and Dr.Alexander's book are fantastic resources. I am clearly less impressed by some of the other books.
In any case, you consider that reading every TMS book published helps reinforcing the TMS concept. I disagree and I see it as pure distraction that prevents healing. |
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tennis tom
USA
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Posted - 05/27/2013 : 08:37:58
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Originally posted by alix
Some books are great. HBP and Dr.Alexander's book are fantastic resources. I am clearly less impressed by some of the other books.
In any case, you consider that reading every TMS book published helps reinforcing the TMS concept. I disagree and I see it as pure distraction that prevents healing.
No, I don't recommend reading every TMS book ever written, but it won't do anyone any harm either if you follow the advice in them, maybe it's just that I like reading biographies. I'm interested in them because I'm interested in the topic and the latest news. I liked Don Dubin, found him endearing and learned from him, he didn't work for you, but why put him down for others that he could have helped. Everyone's a critic these days, it's much harder to build something, then tearing it down. One author builds on the next. Should research on psychology have ended with Freud. What's interesting to me is the vehemence and vitriol SteveO and Nicole were greeted with and now Dr. Lissa Rankin M.D. who's written a MINDODY BOOK. Instead of being welcomed to a MINDBODY FORUM, they are namecalled and castigated as "book peddlers", "profiteers" and "advertisers". That's just down right weird and by people who never read their books I'm sure. I can see disagreeing with them on a point but to lambaste them and make them feel like **** for having the temerity to announce their TMS book and be greeted with that awful treatment is bizarre. It's like looking at a newborn baby and telling the doting parents that it looks ugly and the world doesn't need anymore kids due to global warming.
We here should be jubilant that another TMS book is out there to spread the word on TMS and MINDBODY health for the betterment of the mental health of the planet. Dr. Sarno's first and slimmest TMS book "MIND OVER BACK PAIN" was enough for me to get it, but like I said, I'm interested in the topic and as an athlete it doesn't hurt to get TMS boosters from time to time. I still devote much of my time to practicing my sports although I'm pretty good at them already. I enjoy the practice and get a little more out of each one, for me it's the same viewing TMS from different angles.
The more TMS books the better, diversity is good, I'm inclusive. The world needs more TMS books, their authors need to keep spreading the word on national book campaigns, keeping TMS in front of the media, which is how most people create their views from. The vehemence that TMS authors are sometimes greeted here is very interesting from a psychological point of view, it's way over the top. There's something else going on with that, my theory is that without knowing anything of the book or it's author, the subconscious gremlin recoils in terror at the thought of another assault on it's homeostasis and hoped for dominance of the gray-land.
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bryan3000
USA
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Posted - 05/27/2013 : 09:05:03
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Originally posted by alix
Allergies are TMS and as long as I am dealing with that I won't post my success story.
Some books are great. HBP and Dr.Alexander's book are fantastic resources. I am clearly less impressed by some of the other books.
In any case, you consider that reading every TMS book published helps reinforcing the TMS concept. I disagree and I see it as pure distraction that prevents healing.
Great points Alix and by they way, your posts are always cogent and insightful. I'd be curious to know what helped you get better, but understand your dilemma about the allergies. Then again, scores of regular people have allergies. If you don't fear it and live your life, you're already a success story in my book. |
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tennis tom
USA
4749 Posts |
Posted - 05/27/2013 : 10:03:56
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Originally posted by tennis tom
FYI TMS'ers, here's an event this controversial author will be speaking at, and the price of admission includes an autographed copy or her book! (Katie/Wavy Soul, this one's near you, tt.)
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alix
USA
434 Posts |
Posted - 05/27/2013 : 12:48:19
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Thanks Bryan. What I did was a fusion really.
I started with Sarno and applied the tenets of the theory such as discontinue all physical treatments and think psychological.
Then I was inspired by others. That includes the behavioral top down approach (Hillbilly ,Balto, Tolle) as well as the trauma bottom up approach (Levine, Scaer).
I did get tremendous benefit from "programmed dreams" to unearth past trauma and current stress. I highly recommend it when journaling fails.
But mostly I was consistent this time. I had the privilege of seeing results pretty quickly so it encouraged me to just persevere with what I was doing. The never ending quest for the perfect treatment or book is the enemy. |
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tennis tom
USA
4749 Posts |
Posted - 05/27/2013 : 13:26:23
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Originally posted by alix
...What I did was a fusion really.
...I started with Sarno
...Then I was inspired by others. That includes the behavioral top down approach (Hillbilly ,Balto, Tolle)
...as well as the trauma bottom up approach (Levine, Scaer).
...The never ending quest for the perfect treatment or book is the enemy.
HUH? You got well through reading many different sources, but reading books is the "enemy"--the "enemy"?--that sounds a bit STRONG wouldn't you say?
Alix could you please explain what you mean by "behavioral top down" and "trauma bottom up" approaches please? Some here (me) may not understand the meaning of those terms.
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alix
USA
434 Posts |
Posted - 05/27/2013 : 13:52:43
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tt, I see no value in some of the books like ZPN that are simply HBP reworded and TMS renamed "distraction syndrome". Even the Lithuanian/Norway whiplash example is included in the book. You may think it helps the cause no matter what but I think it is a disservice when a new book doesn't add a single genuine new idea.
On the other hand, I find it fascinating to read the works of other distinguished scientists that may have never heard of Sarno but reach similar conclusions. This is a true validation of Sarno's ideas IMO.
I am thinking of Drs. Gabor Mate, Robert Scaer, David Grand, or Peter Levine that add a lot to our understanding of the brain and MB illnesses.
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alix
USA
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Posted - 05/27/2013 : 14:05:22
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HUH? You got well through reading many different sources, but reading books is the "enemy"--the "enemy"?--that sounds a bit STRONG wouldn't you say?
As I said, I researched first and made myself a PDF and derived a program. I then stopped looking for stuff and just did the work.
What I see often, is people that go from videos to books to worksheets to new books to structured programs. It is a never ending quest. They are always looking for something new that will offer them the real key to healing. It is just a distraction and an excuse for not doing the work. I know I did it all wrong the first time.
Regarding your second question, think Cognitive-Behavioral versus in depth. I did both and on my own. |
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bryan3000
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Posted - 05/27/2013 : 22:24:47
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Originally posted by alix
Thanks Bryan. What I did was a fusion really.
I started with Sarno and applied the tenets of the theory such as discontinue all physical treatments and think psychological.
Then I was inspired by others. That includes the behavioral top down approach (Hillbilly ,Balto, Tolle) as well as the trauma bottom up approach (Levine, Scaer).
I did get tremendous benefit from "programmed dreams" to unearth past trauma and current stress. I highly recommend it when journaling fails.
But mostly I was consistent this time. I had the privilege of seeing results pretty quickly so it encouraged me to just persevere with what I was doing. The never ending quest for the perfect treatment or book is the enemy.
Thanks for the insight, Alix. Very interesting.
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icelikeaninja
USA
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Posted - 05/28/2013 : 15:51:07
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Just borrowed it from the Library. Based on the computer system that I looked this up on, it seems there are alot of people requesting this book.
Atleast some word is getting out. |
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dgreen97
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Posted - 05/29/2013 : 17:45:28
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i agree probably the most wasted money i spent on a TMS book was zero pain now. not because the information was useless but because like alix said it was just the same info sarno and a lot of other TMS people talk about, call it by the name diversion pain syndrome instead of TMS, and then market it out ot people. i felt really shammed when the entire book led up to 2 pages of information the guy could have posted on a forum for free. literally i was expected a little more from the book than the exercise he suggested to do.
if the book is going to be worth reading, it needs to add something either from a different perspective, new data, whatever it is to mind body theory on how the pain is occurring. i also agree that lots of other doctors are coming up with these same conclusions about pain and like alix said they may never have heard of Sarno so this validates this information even more. |
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icelikeaninja
USA
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Posted - 05/29/2013 : 21:21:17
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I am halfway done with this book. Pretty easy read. I am to used to Dr.Sarno ways that I'd give this book more of a new age spin and I do not think I could personally use it as a pillar to my TMS recovery.
I met Sarno, saw his therapists, spoke to the man when I had ills. Who knows if and when another pioneer will come to the forefront again.
In this book, alot of valid points and some of the things I can relate to because it has happened in my family.
In 1995 my grandfather was a diabetic. He went on a juice fast for a month and cured it. After that he started eating normally again and it never returned. At the time I thought what a miracle, he had cured all the wrongs he has done to his body in one month.
I hardly think a month worth of juicing will do that. He believed he was cured and stayed that way despite eating unhealthy until his last days.
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Ace1
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Posted - 05/30/2013 : 04:05:28
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| Thank you ice about the info of your grandfather. I have always suspected diabetes was related completely to the mind but never had a case like the one you mentioned. It is very helpful |
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balto
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Posted - 05/30/2013 : 05:29:26
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Thank you ice about the info of your grandfather. I have always suspected diabetes was related completely to the mind but never had a case like the one you mentioned. It is very helpful
My barber has diabetes for years, last year he eat and drink lots of bitter melon for months. He believe it will cure his diabetes and it did. He no longer has to take any medicine and he can eat anything he want now and his blood sugar still normal. Belief is everything I guess. He believed bitter melon is the cure, the belief evaporate his fear of the disease and the disease leave him.
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pspa123
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Posted - 05/30/2013 : 06:20:44
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| The bitter melon also could have had a physiologic effect, as it is a well known alternative treatment for high blood sugar. If someone believed eating sugar would cure their diabetes, I am not sure that would work. |
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balto
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Posted - 05/30/2013 : 07:44:03
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The bitter melon also could have had a physiologic effect, as it is a well known alternative treatment for high blood sugar. If someone believed eating sugar would cure their diabetes, I am not sure that would work.
Of course you are right, all the things we put in or on our body have some negative or positive effects. I think what I want to say is that our belief play a vital role in our health. With a strong and healthy belief we can over come lots of the negative effects, foods or stress or trauma, that we're facing in life. We all know or heard about the power our belief play in acupuncture, praying,... it help athletics winning games, ... It help in lots of those "spontaneous" healing cases.
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pspa123
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Posted - 05/30/2013 : 08:29:45
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Originally posted by balto
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Originally posted by pspa123
The bitter melon also could have had a physiologic effect, as it is a well known alternative treatment for high blood sugar. If someone believed eating sugar would cure their diabetes, I am not sure that would work.
Of course you are right, all the things we put in or on our body have some negative or positive effects. I think what I want to say is that our belief play a vital role in our health. With a strong and healthy belief we can over come lots of the negative effects, foods or stress or trauma, that we're facing in life. We all know or heard about the power our belief play in acupuncture, praying,... it help athletics winning games, ... It help in lots of those "spontaneous" healing cases.
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I agree absolutely. |
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Ace1
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Posted - 05/30/2013 : 08:57:28
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| If the bitter melon helped the diabetes, it would have returned after the person stopped using the bitter melon. |
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icelikeaninja
USA
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Posted - 05/30/2013 : 09:20:50
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ACe,
I remember my grandfather buying a top of the line juicer, always puncturing himself for blood sugar levels.
After the juicing he would continue to check his blood and from what I remembered everything was fine.
He ate tons of bread,butter,burgers,donuts.
I believe he stopped the process from consuming him and that is what lead to his cure. |
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Mind over medicine book : might be a great read
