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dgreen97
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 Posted - 05/07/2013 : 20:15:22
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| Brand new book just came out called Mind over medicine I've had it on preorder for months now. It really digs into mind body principles and I even see some of the same information that I read in SteveO's book like about the drug Krebiozen and stuff. I would recommend you guys check this book out its all about the power of the mind to heal or harm the body depending on your thoughts. |
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Singer_Artist
USA
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Posted - 05/08/2013 : 15:26:36
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Thank you! I will check it out! :)
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Ace1
USA
1040 Posts |
Posted - 05/09/2013 : 13:24:47
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Hi D
My concern is that the title seems to be a spin off dr sarno'a mind over back pain. She does not seem to acknowledge sarno and says that if you can't afford her book, then she can't help you bc hay house has given her a big amount of money to sell her book. I think there are a lot of people on here confused on what books to read and focus on. How about you read it since you have already purchased it and give a 100% honest review? I think most of us here who have read a certain book should come on here and give a honest review on how much that book has helped them achieve progress in recovery from tms. Actually that should really be the only criteria - how much has it contributed to ones recovery. It doesn't matter if it makes sense or easy to read or if we like the author. I think the main point is how much does it add to dr sarno's healing back pain,which should in my opinion, be the baseline standard. For example Fred Amir's book rapid recovery, dr schubiner's book, dr sopher's book all added zero to my recovery over the baseline standard book - healing back pain, therefore I don't recommend them. This doesn't mean that they may not help someone who has never read healing back pain, but they didn't add any MORE useful information in my case. Now my opinion will not apply to everyone, but a lot of the people I have spoken to agree with me on this one. Another point is that it is fine if some else disagrees and says one of these books helped them on top of the help from healing back pain, but at least they are recommending it bc of this criteria and not bc it's just a good read etc. it would also be good to hear why or what about the book added to their HEALING. I hope this makes sense and maybe if we judge the books we read by this criteria, all of us can decide the books that are worth reading and can help us focus down on our recovery. |
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dgreen97
122 Posts |
Posted - 05/11/2013 : 16:57:31
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| i agree ace im reading through the book now and will give a review on it afterwards. i was just trying to share another book, which exhibits the tms principles and ideas about the stress response, that people might relate to more so than other books. most of the books say the same things but its the way they are presented that can be more effective than others |
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Back2-It
USA
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Posted - 05/12/2013 : 07:57:03
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Originally posted by Ace1
Hi D
... For example Fred Amir's book rapid recovery, dr schubiner's book, dr sopher's book all added zero to my recovery over the baseline standard book - healing back pain, therefore I don't recommend them. This doesn't mean that they may not help someone who has never read healing back pain, but they didn't add any MORE useful information in my case. Now my opinion will not apply to everyone, but a lot of the people I have spoken to agree with me on this one....
It is in reading between the lines in "Healing Back Pain" and the other books by other authors, including the oldies but goodies, "Hope and Help for Your Nerves" and "Mental Health through Will Training" and even "How to Stop Worrying and Start Living," that you discover you need to modify your thoughts and behaviors and expose yourself to the fear and face and digest it and defuse it, whether this applies to deep emotional problems or a "more simple" fear of the symptoms brought on by current stress (which to me is the tip of the emotional iceberg exposed to daylight and shaped by the prevailing winds).
For those who want the iquick version of all the books, "The Keys" can be the Rosetta Stone of books dealing both with pain and behavior.
This is opinion after reading and re-reading a number of the more popular books more carefully and with a clear and settled mind, then comparing the overall message to "The Keys".
"Bridges Freeze Before Roads" |
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NextAdventure
USA
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Posted - 05/12/2013 : 09:57:20
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| I just read it and it was a disappointment. Rehashed info and lots of case histories that anyone can make up. It also appears that she has not healed herself as yet and some of her recommendations are off center. |
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Ace1
USA
1040 Posts |
Posted - 05/12/2013 : 10:07:51
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| Thank you NA. This is the kind of stuff that is very helpful to us. |
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Ace1
USA
1040 Posts |
Posted - 05/12/2013 : 10:08:58
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| Thank you again back to it. Your confidence in my list is a nice compliment. |
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chickenbone
Panama
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Posted - 05/12/2013 : 14:02:19
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I really agree with Ace1. People recommending books should read the book first and then give us a book review that clearly states how this book helped them. Also, I agree with NA, I did not purchase this book, but a friend has it, so I borrowed it for a day and was not impressed enough to even read the whole thing. I am also very wary of anything published by Hay House. In my opinion, they publish an awful lot of pure junk that is rejected by other publishing houses. I own several books published by Hay House and written by obscure authors that were a real waste of money.
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dgreen97
122 Posts |
Posted - 05/12/2013 : 14:59:27
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| forget that i posted it wont bother doing that again. |
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chickenbone
Panama
398 Posts |
Posted - 05/12/2013 : 20:48:06
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| Sorry, I must apologize, dgreen97. I did not mean anything personal and let my personal opinions about Hay House get the better of me. I do appreciate your post and we need more people who are willing to discuss books on the forum. Please let us know how you liked the book after you have read it. |
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dgreen97
122 Posts |
Posted - 05/13/2013 : 07:59:14
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| no problem chickenbone i was just suggesting the book on the forum because i thought it might help people that was all. nobody has to like it just wanted to share it in case it might be beneficial. i'll post a review of it when im finished reading. so far i'm only through the chapters that discuss evidence and stuff but i'm about the read the treatment chapters she suggests which will give me a better idea if the book is really helpful or not. |
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Ace1
USA
1040 Posts |
Posted - 05/13/2013 : 10:36:16
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| D, this was in NO way meant at all to make you feel bad. I know you were really wanting to help and in no way did you do anything wrong. We all can tell her about your kindness. I was just trying to help people like yourself from getting trapped in to buying useless books (I'm not saying it about the one you mentioned, but I mean in general). This way we dont waste money time and we dont become frustrated with things of the sort. There are many people who say certain books are great, but yet, it did nothing to their recovery, so in my mind its a dud. People suffering dont read about TMS to have a good laugh, or to kill time, they do it for the ultimate goal of recovery. If I write a book, if it does not contribute to increasing your recovery or recovery rate, then I would not want you to read it especially if its 500 pages and costs $15 etc. |
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dgreen97
122 Posts |
Posted - 05/13/2013 : 11:18:24
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| absolute I see what you're saying now Ace for sure i feel the same way. might be a little while before i can write a good review on the book since i'll have to apply the principles she talks about in order to give you guys an overview if the process works or not. |
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tennis tom
USA
4749 Posts |
Posted - 05/25/2013 : 07:13:23
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FYI TMS'ers, here's an event this controversial author will be speaking at, and the price of admission includes an autographed copy or her book! (Katie/Wavy Soul, this one's near you, tt.)
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Lissa Rankin, M.D. is a physician whose research led her to discover that our bodies have natural self-repair mechanisms that can be activated or disabled based on thoughts, beliefs, and feelings that originate in the mind. She is on a mission to heal our broken health care system, help patients play a more active role in healing themselves, and encourage the health care industry to embrace and facilitate, rather than resist, the body's self-healing capacities. Lissa has written 3 books, speaks around the world, blogs at LissaRankin.com, paints professionally, and founded the Whole Health Medicine Institute, a training program for health care providers. She leads a mentoring program for visionaries, founded the wellness communities HealHealthCareNow.com and OwningPink.com, and teaches online programs, such as "Find Your Calling" with Dr. Martha Beck and Amy Ahlers, and "Visionary Ignition Switch," an online business school for visionaries co-created with Amy Ahlers.
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"Mind-body medicine pioneers and leaders in the New Age movement have been spouting off about how the mind can heal the body for decades. As a skeptical, science-minded physician, I was intrigued, but I had my doubts. What ensued was a deep dive into the medical literature to find out if I could prove, beyond a shadow of a doubt, that the mind can heal the body. Seeking to move the notion of self-healing from the realm of the magical or even metaphysical, I also searched for evidence of a clear physiological mechanism that explains how positive thoughts and emotions might translate into cure for the body.
What I discovered blew my mind, shifted my paradigm about modern health care, and became the groundwork for my book, Mind Over Medicine: Scientific Proof You Can Heal Yourself (Hay House, 2013). Loads of data proves that the mind can believe itself well. In clinical trials, we call it "the placebo effect." Patients treated with placebos don't just feel better. It's not just "in their heads." They've actually had warts disappear, bronchi dilate, colons become less inflamed, hair growth on the heads of bald men, ulcers heal, and other measurable physiological phenomena. We also know that the opposite is true, and the mind can think itself sick, which researchers call "the nocebo effect." When patients are given injections with saline and told it is chemotherapy, they vomit and lose their hair." - Dr. Lissa Rankin, M.D.
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tennis tom
USA
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Posted - 05/26/2013 : 09:31:45
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Originally posted by Ace1
... I was just trying to help people like yourself from getting trapped in to buying useless books (I'm not saying it about the one you mentioned, but I mean in general).
... There are many people who say certain books are great, but yet, it did nothing to their recovery, so in my mind its a dud.
...People suffering dont read about TMS to have a good laugh, or to kill time, they do it for the ultimate goal of recovery.
... If I write a book, if it does not contribute to increasing your recovery or recovery rate, then I would not want you to read it especially if its 500 pages and costs $15 etc.
There's a conundrum there Ace, if you wrote a book, how would anyone know whether it will help them to "recover"--if they don't read it? ? ? One of the tenants of this forum is that we are all different, so reading a certain TMS book may resonate with one person's life history but not for another. I for one have never met a TMS book I didn't like, that wasn't worth the time spent reading it and didn't enrich my view of life and how to live it. Over the years I've read all of them and had the privilege of connecting with some of their authors, they have ALL been good people and NOT doing this for the big money.
People in the throes of TMS NEED a good laugh and laughing is a good sign that you are on your way to beating the gremlin. Reading ANY TMS book is not a waste of time--seeing one's life being robbed by benign pain is the time waster. TMS'ers have wasted a lot of time experimenting with a myriad of dead-end medical routes and useless quackery.
I don't know of a TMS book 500 pages long and it wouldn't be only $15 if it were. SteveO's is one of the longer ones, but it's like a James Michener novel which are long but rich and a distillation of TMS thought. His story would make a great movie and probably will be made into one someday. If you want a short TMS read, then get Nicole's new book, buying the two together would be a nice duo for summer reading. One of my favorite TMS book, maybe because it was my first, is the Good Doctor's first little paperback, "MIND OVER BACK PAIN". I just ordered ten used copies of it to sprinkle about the planet.
Cheers,
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Edited by - tennis tom on 05/26/2013 17:23:25 |
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bryan3000
USA
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Posted - 05/26/2013 : 19:24:34
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Ace,
Totally agree. Analysis paralysis is only good for book sales.
Unless you're a medical professional or a scholar, the info gathering has to end at some point. As you've said, all the info people need is out there for free.
Sarno and Weekes proved their work over decades and with thousands of patients.
Ingest those two until you know them by heart and it's time to commit to the work. |
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alix
USA
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Posted - 05/26/2013 : 20:30:20
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Agreed. You need to read a couple of books then do the work. Reading book after book can very easily become a full time distraction.
Monte makes a great case against it (as well as against other distractions) in one of his newsletters. |
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tennis tom
USA
4749 Posts |
Posted - 05/26/2013 : 20:55:14
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I don't know why you guys keep hanging around here, just like to disagree with every post I make? You all keep nit-picking Dr. Sarno and his fundamentals about PROTECTION, DISTRACTION, RAGE/ANGER, etc. What are you doing here? You keep bringing up Weekes and Low, and anxiety, TMS includes anxiety along with a lot of other things. I'm sure there's sites for anxiety but you'll seem to have settled in here for the duration to troll this one dedicated to TMS. Maybe you'll can collaborate on starting an anxiety site rather then dragging this one down. Maybe start a competing site, competition is good, you can call it the: "Anti-TMS Site--Where Dr. Sarno Got It Wrong".
Great advice to be giving out, don't write or read anything new about TMS, the word might get out to the rest of world and we wouldn't have our exclusive old boys club--let's keep it our little secret. Dr. Sarno has retired, he may never write another book, it's going to be up to other new authors to keep spreading the word. The media is on the constant search for new stories, last years book is not going to be on tonight's news health feature story. New authors publicizing new mindbody books will keep the works of the Good Doctor alive and in front of the public's eye that needs it so badly. |
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tennis tom
USA
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Posted - 05/26/2013 : 21:08:41
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Originally posted by alix
Monte makes a great case against it (as well as against other distractions) in one of his newsletters.
Do you mean the same Monte that has written a TMS book (that I bought BTW), links to his site here when he posts here, (which I have nothing against him doing BTW), charges TMS sufferers when he helps them (which I have nothing against BTW)? So you read in Monte's TMS "newsletter" that you shouldn't read anymore TMS books? Maybe you shouldn't read anymore TMS newsletters either, why stop with just TMS books. How 'bout not reading at TMS message boards? I'm getting confused here, but reading too much psychobabble does that to me.
Cheers guys, have a nice holiday and remember the troops that died for your freedom of speech.
tt/lsmft |
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alix
USA
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Posted - 05/26/2013 : 22:20:02
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tt, the first time around I did what you keep recommending (TMS doctor, psychologist, books) and went nowhere.
In retrospect I was all over the place and kept distracting myself with my quest for new TMS material.
The second time around, I selected the best TMS posts I could find, some of the blog entries on the Schubiner and Monte sites. I made a PDF for myself that I kept reading.
I was successful. I am pain free but still dealing with allergies. |
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Mind over medicine book : might be a great read
