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healingback
United Kingdom
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 Posted - 12/07/2012 : 07:52:30
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Ok so heres the question - i was diagnosed 15 years with crohns disease apart from the intially diagnosis and a year on steriods i have been fine for the past 15 years, however these past few weeks all the symptoms have come back, my question is is crohns tms?
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tennis tom
USA
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Posted - 12/07/2012 : 09:27:46
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Originally posted by healingback
...i was diagnosed 15 years with crohns disease apart from the intially diagnosis and a year on steriods i have been fine for the past 15 years,
Hi HB,
Since this is the TMS Forum and from what you said, I would bet on TMS--but I'm only a tennis player, not a white coat. If you do a "SEARCH" above you will find much more.
G'luck
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TAKE THE HOLMES-RAHE STRESS TEST
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Some of my favorite excerpts from _THE DIVIDED MIND_ :
http://www.tmshelp.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=2605
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"It is no measure of health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society." Jiddu Krishnamurti
"Pain is inevitable; suffering is optional." Author Unknown
"Happy People Are Happy Putters." Frank Nobilo, Golf Analyst
"Be careful about reading health books. You may die of a misprint." Mark Twain and Balto
"The hot-dog is the noblest of dogs; it feeds the hand that bites it." Dr. Laurence Johnston Peter
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Here's a list of TMS practitioners from the TMS Wiki:
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Here's a map of TMS practitioners from the old Tarpit Yoga site, (click on the map by state for listings).:
http://www.tarpityoga.com/2007_08_01_archive.html |
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Ace1
USA
1040 Posts |
Posted - 12/07/2012 : 13:35:54
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| Yes it is |
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shawnsmith
Czech Republic
2048 Posts |
Posted - 12/07/2012 : 14:33:00
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| I am not one to say yes or no, but why not try to apply TMS teachings to your condition and see what the result is. What do you have to lose? |
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healingback
United Kingdom
134 Posts |
Posted - 12/08/2012 : 09:17:29
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ace 1,, can i ask why you say yes to it being tms?
This to shall pass.... |
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andy64tms
USA
589 Posts |
Posted - 12/08/2012 : 19:22:53
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Hi Healing BackPain,
30 years ago my wife was diagnosed with Chrons disease. Before this she endured emergency exploratory surgery that had inconclusive findings. It was in England and a horrible time for her returning from USA after a divorce.
Back in the states over many years and tests the diagnosis was relegated to IBS. She believes in Mind Body conditions, has read HBP and SteveO’s The Great Pain Deception and is happy with this TMS knowledge.
When you go to web sites like this one and read statements like this:
While the exact cause of Crohn’s remains unknown, researchers now believe that a combination of genetics, environmental factors, and an abnormal immune response may result in the inflammation of the digestive tract.
You can get clues from the words “Unknown” and “Immune Response”.
http://www.crohnsonline.com/what-is-crohns-disease/default.aspx?cid=ppc_ppd_hum_ggl_gastro_9614
The only white coat here is Ace1, and my wife agrees with his words. But I think only you and your Dr.s should finalize your belief.
Good luck.
Andy
Past TMS Experience in 2000, with success.
Back on Wiki Edu Program day 15
Charlie Horse on neck for 20 years. (to be evicted later.)
Books:
Healing Back Pain
Unlearn your Pain
The Great Pain Deception |
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balto
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Ace1
USA
1040 Posts |
Posted - 12/09/2012 : 06:29:20
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| I have a young girl who works in my office who has Crohns and she has the classic tms childhood and personality. I'm sure it is the basic cause but she doesn't want to work on it to cure herself. Many of my patients also have other tms symptoms and personaIity and you can just tell. This is how dr sarno found out that the pain syndromes were tms Actually, I believe anything except trauma and infection has its basic origin in the mind based on what I see on a daily basis. |
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jaya
USA
175 Posts |
Posted - 12/09/2012 : 08:39:52
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| Tms... All the way..unknown cause equals tms |
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tennis tom
USA
4749 Posts |
Posted - 12/09/2012 : 09:23:55
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Originally posted by Ace1
...I believe anything except trauma and infection has its basic origin in the mind...
I take that broader view of TMS also. And then you also have the effects of the autoimmune system on those real things--TMS is the volume control for the pain. I believe the subconscious has a major role in creating the situations where we get injured through inattention creating the circumstances for "accidents". For instance, what inattention caused us to step in front of that bus? I think, short of consciously giving up on life, some unconsciously create and place themselves in the "accident" situations for primary or secondary gain, to take themselves off the battlefield of life and get the "morphine". |
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EileenTM
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Posted - 12/09/2012 : 10:51:58
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Ace 1 you said in your earlier post that its tms unless it is infection or trauma.
My symptoms started 10 years ago with menopause
What about that? I know some women have symptoms and some don't.
And for most the symptoms end witin a couple years .
Though some like me can have symptoms that go for years
Thanks
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kenny V
USA
268 Posts |
Posted - 12/09/2012 : 11:12:28
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Plese dont shoot the messanger .I am not an advocate either way . Just passing some info that may be helpful or consider while you work on applying TMS recovery strategies with your healing.
The Specific Carbohydrate Diet™ has helped many thousands of people with various forms of bowel disease and other ailments vastly improve their quality of life. In many cases people consider themselves cured. It is a diet intended mainly for Crohn's disease, ulcerative colitis, celiac disease, diverticulitis, cystic fibrosis and chronic diarrhea. However it is a very healthy, balanced and safe diet that has health benefits for everyone
http://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.info/
There's a very interesting website the link is
http://www.crohns.net
maybe have a a look at their Pro-biotic section. Or other related GI topics
Just passing FYI Info .
Again for FYI only disregard if you don't want to prescribe to anything less than a TMS diagnosis . However If you want some relief with symptomss or looking for a basic protocol and or the role of Natural Probiotics and as involves the GI system .
You can do a search on crohns here
http://onibasu.com/
click a few or all of the reference forums to view some of the Q's and replies.
Mostly to see what those folks do to help resolve their Crohns related health issues.
Btw I am not tying to sell anything only pass related info that may be of some help while you recover .
Best of luck
Kenny v
Always Hope For Recovery
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Ace1
USA
1040 Posts |
Posted - 12/09/2012 : 11:53:00
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| Happening around menopause doesn't mean anything. In regards to Kenny v's post I think what is said is actually harmful to the patient. I'll give you an example, I thought I had developed lactose intolerance in the past and I stopped eating/drinking milk products. Guess what? It helped. However, I was always restricted and could not enjoy what everyone around me could. The basic cause of my symptoms were still there, but bc I felt better, i had no incentive to change and my TMS habits only grew worse and resulted in severe TMS in other forms (pain) later. In other words I was in worse shape and couldn't even eat things that I used to be able to enjoy. This is what will happen if someone takes Kenny's advice on this post. I know Kenny's intension is good, but I have to warn against this type of advice |
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andy64tms
USA
589 Posts |
Posted - 12/09/2012 : 12:51:46
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Hi Ace1,
I like it when examples are given it provokes re thinking. Are you saying we should do nothing to ease our symptoms like changing our diets for fear we get a placebo effect that gets in the way of real TMS recovery?
On the other hand if you are able to ease symptoms by any means, isn’t this helping by freeing up your mental capacities to do the real emotional work? After all you eventually had enough clarity to think your lactose issue through. I’m surprised your TMS habits worsened, but I take your point.
I have been working on giving up Tylenol PM since the summer by thinking TMS first, sometimes I can reduce tension, other times I cannot. When I do succumb to these pills I am guaranteed of a fresh start to the day, I am happy and my brain is clear to do the work.
I’ve had a cough induced headache lately derived from a two week cold. I’m going to post about how TMS played a part in a cold-cough. It’s quite complicated, but this sentence is my commitment to write it.
Thank you for your example.
Andy
Past TMS Experience in 2000, with success.
Back on Wiki Edu Program day 15
Charlie Horse on neck for 20 years. (to be evicted later.)
Books:
Healing Back Pain
Unlearn your Pain
The Great Pain Deception |
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jaya
USA
175 Posts |
Posted - 12/09/2012 : 13:11:42
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| My wife caretakes for one of the family members of Dr crohn...ive asked him what he thought caused it ....his reply was... There is a huge mental component to it that is not accepted by mainstream medicine |
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Ace1
USA
1040 Posts |
Posted - 12/09/2012 : 16:03:44
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| Well Andy in a diet you are restricting ALL the time and you become conditioned that you have to follow it to avoid symptoms. Taking meds occasionally is ok, bc you are not really doing it bc you think your body needs it to work properly. Obviously it's better if you can avoid it, but I don't think of it as making a life style change, like a change of a diet. |
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EileenTM
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Posted - 12/09/2012 : 16:18:34
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Ace 1, Oops I was not very clear in my post. I do not have gastrointestinal symptoms.
I have what are common menopause symptoms: hot flashes, mood swings, fuzzy thinking, etc. I have been told that for most women these end after a few years.
Mine have been going for 10 years. Tms or not?
Thanks
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shawnsmith
Czech Republic
2048 Posts |
Posted - 12/09/2012 : 16:26:45
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Originally posted by EileenTM
Ace 1 you said in your earlier post that its tms unless it is infection or trauma.
My symptoms started 10 years ago with menopause
What about that?
Well, here is what I think about that. Menopause comes with aging, and with aging, according to Dr. Sarno, comes inner rage which in turn produces symptoms. How do you feel, I mean really feel, about getting older? |
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Ace1
USA
1040 Posts |
Posted - 12/09/2012 : 17:32:13
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Yes hot flashes that persist are also TMS
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Jilly
USA
40 Posts |
Posted - 12/09/2012 : 18:02:23
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Originally posted by shawnsmith
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Originally posted by EileenTM
Ace 1 you said in your earlier post that its tms unless it is infection or trauma.
My symptoms started 10 years ago with menopause
What about that?
Well, here is what I think about that. Menopause comes with aging, and with aging, according to Dr. Sarno, comes inner rage which in turn produces symptoms. How do you feel, I mean really feel, about getting older?
This is an interesting topic. I am peri-menopausal and had a procedure to stop my heavy periods, uterine ablation (not the hysterectomy that was urged by 3 Md's.). Very recently after the procedure my TMS found a new symptom imperitive -> low back pain ! I am new to TMS and the teachings but already am experiencing fantastic results. I whole heartedly believe TMS invades and permeates every body system including states of infection and trauma, including slow healing.
From Steve O's book... "The part of your body where you have stored your anger is the part that has to express it" p. 182 - John Lee, Facing the Fire. So if your anger is stored in the lungs, perhaps that makes you more prone to respiratory & sinus infections or allergies.
I believe the same principles work with severe guilt and self fulfilling prophecies, trauma, and accidents. It is almost as if they willed themselves into a terrible accident. " Death, divorce, adoption,, injury, criticism, abuse, indifference, midlife crisis, and various other forms of rejection are the primary directors of pain - generators of self conflict. The ultimate fear is in becoming disconnected or experiencing further rejection so self punishment provides a reprieve from unconscious guilt" p. 128 - Steve Ozanich
I think TMS and MindBody are intertwined ... mind & body are one in sickness and in health, till death do you part.
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andy64tms
USA
589 Posts |
Posted - 12/09/2012 : 18:11:01
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Good point,
A diet is considered ongoing and Tylenol is only occasional.
Thanks
Andy
Past TMS Experience in 2000, with success.
Back on Wiki Edu Program day 15
Charlie Horse on neck for 20 years. (to be evicted later.)
Books:
Healing Back Pain
Unlearn your Pain
The Great Pain Deception |
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