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eric watson
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 Posted - 11/21/2012 : 06:42:12
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a lot more than just some parts seem to be universal-i mean i believe there is a seven step program sorta say-i can hear it in steves book -i hear and see it in the ppd/tms structural program.ive been there its helped me heal-but its like i got a hold of the whole healing idea before i finished.-all the knowledge on the forum is great and all the tms books are great-i have to mention ace1 keys to healing-
i seem to be more intrested now in the people who have healed-i feel that i understand the concepts now and thats why i am healed and keeping it-its like the sponge metaphor steveo mentioned on a post here-its just like when ace says youll heal a little-then a little more and then the good will be better than the bad until one day your all the way healed
.heres my point ace and steveo seem to be the only reads on the forum that i have stumbled upon that seem to have a program or a layout completely on how they did it-i feel like there are a lot -well i know that there r a lot-ive read them -post that tell how they healed , very intellectual people - ,but like i said when you finally get it it seems ,that its time to take on the world or go on vacation or leave the foum,
i see some talking about fear-and others always saying when you forget about it-and i know to a completely healed person that this makes all the sense in the world-it does to me-but until i totally learnt everything from acceptance to awareness to love and really releasing i was healing but i couldnt topple the final obstacle sorta say-
i know i got it now-i really believe its a combonation of all the keys wrapped in to one mind-other than just forget and youll get it-that is a mind boggler if you dont know what to forget -i guess im trying to put a finger on a simpler way but i dont think just dont fear-or just forget about it-or it has no control over you anymore or my favorite which works and believe me again i know all this works -it does for me-is hope and dont doubt-now i studied that concept for 11 yrs before i came to this site and that concept alone at times seemed to not work because i had to put it all together-
-i really believe everyone that has been healed here does or did do just about all the concepts before they got to the concepts that healed them / we want to help others and so forth which is the basis of this forum-so in conclusion if us guys that r healed will speak about fear one week and acceptance the next and awareness the next-i really know we can help the new guys and each other get tuned in-over the weekend i went thru awareness-conditioning-acceptance-and love-and it was only after i understood repession and acceptance did i get my healing but it also had all the other concepts too in my mind-body
,so see guys i know or think so anyway that this former sentence sounds confusing and this in a way was how i got confused until i just got it-maybe thats the cure to just stumble upon it and just get it because i know you can know everything and just not get it,ive seen it way before i got to this forum-all the concepts have to be studied and gotten into the subconcious or mind body and then it seems to happen-i believe there r common denominaters though and we will do good to explore them all.... |
Edited by - eric watson on 11/21/2012 06:52:00 |
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Aussie
Australia
87 Posts |
Posted - 11/21/2012 : 17:14:13
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I'll reply to this.... Because right now, I don't get it.
When I first learned of tms I almost immediately saw some improvement.
I then spent more time reading and putting some of the ideas into practice and improved a little more. My confidence grew and while I still had pain that bothered me I learnt to 'ignore' it and get back into activity and sport that I thought I would never do again.
But I got stuck here and despite there actually being nothing wrong with my back physically, I could not eliminate the chronic pain. I read more books and reached out to more people with no results and the same broken record going over and over again being the non stop pain.
I have now had an increase in pain that after many months just wont budge. I have been tested medically again only to find there is still nothing wrong with my back. I tried Adam Heller's zero pain now program and it helped a little but the pain was back in the blink of an eye..
My reason for jumping on this thread is that right now, I just don't get what someone in my position is supposed to do now. I've started seeing a therapist who is familiar with tms but don't feel any different. I am a classic tms case but am now becoming frustrated as to not only not getting results but actually getting worse during the process.
Im glad you got better Eric. You almost make it sound easy. Unfortunately for many on here it just isnt easy. |
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eric watson
USA
601 Posts |
Posted - 11/21/2012 : 17:54:17
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i agree with you aussie that its not easy-i put a 24 7 commitment for around 14 to 15 weeks now-now i can say the last thing that i remember before totally healing/ awareness that i didnt have to try not to hurt anymore-i actually felt a fountain of healing flow thru me -i was about to meditate but it happened before i ever closed my eyes-i felt pure peace and healing flow through me-
i like to agree with sarnos quote from divided mind,that its an understanding/the next day was when i started to feel the pain jumpimg all over my body-i knew i was close because this was how id heard evryone else talking about when you got it on the run-i could just feel it-
now i had been practicing affirmations for about a week before this happened-thats why i do them-that when i wrote the post (its almost over)-you wont find it here because i wasnt healed yet-i waited till i got healed 100% as they say here before i changed the title to its over-
the last thing that happened before i said totally healed about a week later was an understanding-remember i have studied my but off for many many many hours-i was listening to a great motivational speaker and i started to think about love-then i thought what does the feeling of love feel like /and i began to feel love,at this time the tension let loose and it was over-
i knew then that i really was controling the pain with my mind-this was an amazing moment to me and i was running all over the house trying to think of the right words to write doun -i could only nip at the words for it,i was just glad to know id had power over this switch to turn off the pain for good and keep it off-i keep the tension at bay by just knowing that i really got power over it by accepting that i have power over it-i affirm every day now-but i just know how to turn the switch off-it hasnt bothered me since /something clicked and i can only say it heintened my faith and belief -reaffirmed sarnos theory to the hilt-
i also learnt about a personality trait that i didnt know i had-just by knowing this was another concept closer....i know it sounds like an immediate healing-and it was at the very end-but leading up to this i was learning so many concepts that was healing me gradually too,,,,
-all that had been said really did work-ive went thru a lot of concepts-acceptance-love-awareness-faith...etc-i would love to help you more aussie but i believe the veterans that have been healed can pick up from here-but if you got anymore questions im here-i just think we need to somehow get some new advice for you guys so you can get that understanding and then thats it-i know this will probably sound like (wow) but this is the way it happened-
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Ace1
USA
1040 Posts |
Posted - 11/21/2012 : 18:12:05
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| Aussie. Read my keys to healing I would have never gotten better without what I did on that list |
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eric watson
USA
601 Posts |
Posted - 11/21/2012 : 18:36:21
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did you do your workouts against the pain-thats a strain that is understood more from ace-not to workout against the pain but to work up to it and stop-i stopped working out the way i wanted too and stopped the mental strain and before long the weights were no problem-now i know the strain theory is in sarnos hbp-
but ace has perfected the strain theory if you ask me-i had other posters say the same but ace really opened my eyes to this concept and it worked-
but i wasnt 100% yet-it might have been one of the factors that sped my recovery-im really trying to get to the core of this and i know your going to hear a lot of concepts hopfully to help you and not bewilder-i actually kept fine tuned with aces keys to healing-and the guys that have been healed all the way can colaborate -i really want to see you get your breakthrough(remember we cant just ignore the pain )we have to change our focus from one body part to another or on another subject-it doesnt always have to be something about anger and stress either |
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Aussie
Australia
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Posted - 11/21/2012 : 19:11:39
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Thanks for the advice, I really do appreciate it.
Im at a stage where i cant lift weights and workout anymore... There is just too much pain to even contemplate that sort of exercise. I used to workout 3 times a week and lift heavy stuff and never get a sore back afterwards.
I stopped that over 3 years ago and am too fearful to start again. Thats probably half the problem, The fear of the pain. Not fear of hurting myself but fear that the pain will increase anymore as I already cant stand it.
I will go over Ace's post and try to live the advice more... One thing I can say is that I haven't been able to stick to any type of tms 'routine' for long as it's just felt like Im not approaching it the right way or getting results quick enough to keep me motivated..
Thanks again I think it's time I gave my all to tms once and for all and allow myself to heal. |
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PJ77
United Kingdom
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Posted - 11/22/2012 : 05:06:47
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Hi Aussie,
I am at the same stage as you despite following the TMS programme now for 18 months. I have had zero improvement to my symptoms although I have learnt a lot especially the negativity I carry in normal everyday life and also what I have been suppressing.
I have had some very very good advice on here from several members, they know who they are and I am very grateful for it.
However, it may come as a shock to many on here that after no improvement my TMS specialist has asked me to go down the physical route which is what I am doing now. It has led to a lot of confusion in my mind and this inner turmoil presented more symptoms. But what I have realised though by trying the physical route is that as I have had in the past had no results when trying just physical and then just emotional, is that I have to attack this both ways.
I think what has happened is the emotional stuff has caused this to come out on an old back injury. However I learnt to protect my back by not doing certain movements. As the pain continued physically I started doing less and less and less. This led to more tightness and weakness in my muscles meaning it doesn't take much for my symptoms to start. After seeing a very very highly recommended physio (i have seen many who have got me no where) he has stated that my muscles around the back are non existent and although he agrees to carry on with the emotional work, he think I need to also strengthen the area to stabilise this and physically get stronger. This does remind me of what SteveO said in his book that if the muscles do get weaker they will need strengthening.
Even though the great doctor has said to take this as all 100% psychological, I have found this has not worked for me and the physical element does also have to be looked at and incorporated. For me to get over this I do have to attack it both ways as the pain has restricted me for so many years leading to not using certain muscles and working on the emotional stuff is just not doing it for me.
Any feedback will be much appreciated.
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eric watson
USA
601 Posts |
Posted - 11/22/2012 : 07:28:13
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in reply to aussies post
have you studied conditioning -awareness and acceptance/these were powerful in my last steps to full recovery-even though i hear the word fear in your post-=i would say it can be beat thru acceptance and re-lease of the fear.i found conditioning was what had me holding on to that last 5%-and with that still there -i had my doubts and fears-when i got the understanding thru accepting that i had conditioned my self to this way of thinking about activities and then thru affirmations-journaling and imaging i started to see myself exercising with no pain-(imaging)/,,,,now you have to let the pain reside by doing this and sarnos concepts,aces keys r good and the like-...lets communicate aussie-was there a concept that u tried but didnt work-or a concept you didnt try-maybe we should start there-honestly i cant just tell you not to do one thing and then thats the cure-because the cure is in all the concepts practiced over time-then you get it/im not making light of the guys that break it doun to one sentence-sarno does all thru his book-what this means is when you get to that point of understanding thats all you will need-like me i say its over-im healed-i had belief the whole time,,,and r u going to know what that concept means unless-your fully healed....i dont think we have to go back there again,maybe we can go over aces keys or sarnos books-or steveos book.i know ace will help on this thread and his thread about the keys- |
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eric watson
USA
601 Posts |
Posted - 11/22/2012 : 07:41:27
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pj77-
it sounds like all the journaling is doing is hurting you even more-i might as well say it is-there are so many other concepts and i know you know some more concepts-now if your not going to work against the pain-then how r u going to get the pain to calm doun so you can work out up to the edge of it-you have to have a concept for an outlet that u can do to re-lease the tension-do you have that concept and what is it-my first were actually the journaling/so im not going there and then i thought about the repression so im not going there either/it had to be the affirmations/awareness of those affirmations-actually feeling these thoughts in my mind first ,then within days or hours as my studies got more refined i would feel a re-lease of tension almost like an uh-huh moment but beyond that,the uh huh moments came when i started getting tension re-leases-i know the muscles go into atrophy when not worked and can make you weaker, is your current program of attacking from both ends of the spectrum working for you and how good?through being aware of my internal dialouge i just knowed i didnt have to think negative if i choose not too-and then again i accepeted that i was in total control,instant tension re-lease,not uh huh moments but actually working the program in full power..... |
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PJ77
United Kingdom
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Posted - 11/22/2012 : 11:14:15
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Hi Eric,
I did a lot of journaling the first 8 months. However I got sick of doing after so long at it and it and was something I just was not enjoying. I wanted to see improvements and my symptoms were no better if anything I was just getting worse and worse as physically I was doing less and less.
I do meditate 10 mins a day which helps but what has helped be better than journaling is EFT, especially doing EFT on past issues. I got a great book about EFT and it mentions Dr Sarno in there a few times and it does go well together with his work.
However although I feel totally relaxed after doing EFT on past negative issues, my physical symptoms and especially movement was no better.
Since starting on the physical strengthening I not only feel better (which is what we're after) but I move better. Don't get me wrong, the physical stuff on its own will do nothing to improve myself out of this. It has to be worked in conjunction with the TMS recovery tools I have learnt.
It is only early days but not only do I feel more confident, I have increased my physical activity levels with it and this takes the focus away from the pain. I would say it was much more 75% psychological and 25% physical, for me either one on its own does not work. I still have a way to go but I had hit a brick wall with just the emotional stuff, I felt there was nothing more I could work on as I had dealt pretty much everything I could think of. If anything if I carried on with the emotional work any more on its own it would have drove me into a mental home as seeing no kind of improvement over a long time was very detrimental to me. I felt I was going totally bonkers.
By getting stronger physically it gives me the confidence to walk longer and start doing more movements that I simply could not do due to tightness and tension. It also gives me something to look forward to rather than just journaling or working out what is bothering me and checking my mood out as I had pain.
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eric watson
USA
601 Posts |
Posted - 11/22/2012 : 12:35:57
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| thats great PJ77 im glad your having improvement -thats key-what is this EFT-i liked to look into it as i never want to stop learning-for learning has healed me-thanks for your re-sponse i have complete faith that your on to something...good concept,keep me up to date,-god bless |
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PJ77
United Kingdom
44 Posts |
Posted - 11/22/2012 : 13:50:54
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Hi Eric,
EFT stands for Emotional Freedom Technique. Basically you tap on acupressure points whilst stating statements that are bothering you and not sure exactly how it works but whilst you do it it kind of is relaxes you and is accepted at a deeper subconscious level. For me it a great tool that can be done anywhere and up there with meditation, I practice it upto 100 times a day and kind of relaxes me and brings out the stuff that is bothering me that I can't remember.
I will recommend the book "EFT for back pain" by Gary Craig. It is not an expensive book and one that can be read in 2-3 days which is what I did. The best part for me of the book was about Dr Sarno and talks about how he said repressed emotions lead to pain. This then lead to the technique of listing as many things that have bothered you in your life. It then asks you to tap on up to 3 points a day. After 90 days it states that is up to 270 issues you have tapped on. I found that when I tapped and accepted major (or even minor) issues, when I then thought about them issues they did not bother me and it was a major weight of my shoulders. I even had EFT sessions with a therapist before I got the book, however I don't think I needed to as the book alone is enough and I would recommend it as a lifetime tool. For me it is up there with meditation.
The major work I am doing now is the EFT as above, positive affirmations, catching myself being negative, having me time, and the physical strengthening and stretching for flexibility. Hopefully this will lead me onto full recovery.
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tennis tom
USA
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Posted - 11/22/2012 : 14:36:18
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I think the tapping serves the same purpose as thinking TMS'ly. That is, to consciously shift thinking from the pain symptom, to the emotional life issues, that the subconscious is trying to use pain to distract from.
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DR. SARNO'S 12 DAILY REMINDERS:
www.youtube.com/watch?v=r0dKBFwGR0g
TAKE THE HOLMES-RAHE STRESS TEST
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holmes_and_Rahe_stress_scale
Some of my favorite excerpts from _THE DIVIDED MIND_ :
http://www.tmshelp.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=2605
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"It is no measure of health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society." Jiddu Krishnamurti
"Pain is inevitable; suffering is optional." Author Unknown
"Happy People Are Happy Putters." Frank Nobilo, Golf Analyst
"Be careful about reading health books. You may die of a misprint." Mark Twain and Balto
"The hot-dog is the noblest of dogs; it feeds the hand that bites it." Dr. Laurence Johnston Peter
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Here's a list of TMS practitioners from the TMS Wiki:
http://tmswiki.org/ppd/Find_a_TMS_Doctor_or_Therapist
Here's a map of TMS practitioners from the old Tarpit Yoga site, (click on the map by state for listings).:
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Ace1
USA
1040 Posts |
Posted - 11/22/2012 : 17:58:42
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Dear pjj,
It will only really be the affirmations and avoidance of negative talk that will get you better. You will think the other physical things are helping, but in reality you won't be able to tease out the factor to your recovery. If you try to attack it physically too, it will impede your progress as you will not recognize the strain that is there. You however may need to prove this to yourself to believe it and that may just have to be part of the process of your healing. |
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PJ77
United Kingdom
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Posted - 11/23/2012 : 04:05:05
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Hi Ace1,
Thank you for your feedback.
I have found that although I have been told countless times that it takes time to see results, however my condition has not improved at all. In fact physically I am doing less and less and less due to more and more tightness and twinges and spasms. It came to the stage that I was just confined to the bed and I felt I could not just do more emotional work any more as everything to me had been dealt with.
Since I start my physical therapy it has given me the strength to start going walking again and moving around more. I am not saying this on its own is enough. I am still spending more time on EFT, positive self talk and catching my negative moods, but without the physical work I would still be on that bed. In fact I would probably be in depression because the TMS treatment simply did not do enough and I started to say to myself what am I doing wrong creating further tension and more symptoms.
For over 12 months I have used the affirmation "my back is strong and healthy". However till now it would still twinge and pull and go into spasm countless of times. It was after the suggestion by the main TMS specialist here in the UK to go down the physical route that I have done so, which is probably the best advice she has given me. The emotional work still has to be worked on without a doubt, but on its own is simply has not worked. |
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Ace1
USA
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Posted - 11/23/2012 : 08:03:23
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| Yes you have to try to act normal without forcing it. But the affirmations have to be directed to relaxation, not to fixing the body part like "my back is strong and healthy". I did not use an affirmation directed toward my back in my recovery |
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eric watson
USA
601 Posts |
Posted - 11/23/2012 : 19:46:17
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you know pj exercise was always something sarno said to do as soon as the pain eased up-he even said to do vigorous exercise-im glad you found an exercise that helps-i dont see nothing wrong with massaging some sore muscles but when the pain is tms,i dont see how massage or tapping could relieve that pain-to me tms pain was a lot different than muscle soreness-but if your talking about a form of accupressure with the tapping then i have to say that never helped me,maybe temporarly
acceptance,awarerness,affirmations,rage soothe ratio,personality traits and the like helped me and every other sarno tecnique i can think of-the assurance of steveos book and much much more-the pain gradually went away in the uh huh moments,the releasing moments,the affirming,and finally acceptance of those affirmations and acceptance that i was healed-i was watching tv and all at once i just knew how not to fear the pain anymore and just know im fine and brother i was healed,this last part is so hard for me to explain other than it was an understanding..i know now that i control the pain with my mind-ive decided to hurt no more and i dont-this is the magic of tms healing |
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Aussie
Australia
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Posted - 11/23/2012 : 21:04:24
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Hi guys,
After seeing my therapist yesterday I feel allot better. He explained why he thinks I have this back pain and it really made sense.
Rather than specific life events or previous bad experiences that I may have repressed, He feels more that its my highly self critical personality and quite anxious personality that has wound me up here.
I've been constantly fretting about the pain worsening and guess what it has.. It's like I have been running the same negative thoughts over and over in my mind for what seems like years now.
I have to break this pattern and im glad i've found someone who I think can help me. I always prided myself on being the physically strong athletic guy i was and when the pain started my mind spiralled out of control with worry and the pain took over. I lost my previous identity of the former athlete I was and focused on the pain 100% of the time rather than face my high state of anxiety.
It feels weird to say that as I have always maintained such a strong image and viewed that anxious part of me as weak and completely ignored it. In the past I would never admit to anyone close to me that I was suffering and I also would not admit it to myself.
Im learning but have a way to go. Lately the pain has been all I think about and I think that the pain is there so I dont have to face the anxiety that ive pushed away for so long. What got me here is a long history of untreated anxiety and massive amounts of pressure placed on me as a child to become a professional athlete, Much of it by my own father..
If anything I feel stronger in that the pain can go and that it will one day. This forum is such a positive place for those lost in chronic pain and the people giving out invaluable advice are helping all of us. So thanks for all the advice..
Eric can you please post what specific affirmations you used? Im trying to build up some new ones to try. Also is 'awareness' just monitoring how you feel at that time?? Im not sure what awareness really means?
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eric watson
USA
601 Posts |
Posted - 11/23/2012 : 21:52:09
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aussie you did it man -your back on the straight path-
stay and do the work and youll heal-im glad the doc
was onto what the main issue was-now you got a direction
to go in -thats key-
you mention the affirmations i used,here are just a few
1)im the head and not the tail
2)i am healed.
3)i can do all things.
4)success.
5)peace,love,acceptance,joy,hope,patience,forgivness...in any order
as joeseph murphy said ,the one word affirmations are easy to accept.
6)im above and not beneath-///this affirmation was to let me know im winning.
7)say and meditate on the words (peace,love and healing together while feeling the emotions-its awesome)
this was my 5 min affirmation this morning and many mornings
or you can say im winning,im winning,im winning-
you are you know-your back at it...
and aces affirmations from the keys of healing-
to me its what builds you up when you affirm it-
do you feel like a million when you say the affirmations-it took me a minute but when i started to feel the peace-the joy-the healing,it was cool-
and a word about personality,if all the work or words that you hear and see seem to be overwhelming to the point that you are just too anxiuos or tensed then apply the floating tecnique by claire weeks,its a good metaphor,same as acceptance to me though but as ive said were different in some ways and the same mostly/ and know the time rule,sarno and claire weekes both dont want you being to tensive as to when your healing will occur...
as mentioned so many times/it will leave you gradually (the pain)-i wasnt healed all at once in one night,-it eased up-then got less-and less,i had some set backs-then i came back strong and then it finally hit me-i dont have to hold onto this pain anymore-i created it-or my brain did....now i have mind power over it-thats a huge idea to think about-when it happens youll be like wow-i really can control this pain in my body with my mind-then you decide to cut it off-its just like that...
awareness is total mindfullness,being in the now of whats happening around you and mentally and physically ;when i was in the state of awareness i noticed when stessors or triggers were happening/i knew when a conditioning was happening/i noticed bad personality traits that had to be changed to keep me from being tense and so much more...heres a rasetta stone or a metaphor-if your practicing meditation and a fly keeps landing on your nose,you can let the fly make you tensive or you can allow the fly to be part of your current state and meditation/now i have to say honestly i mix the awareness with the acceptance which is how i noticed not to let the fly bother me and to accept the fly,in this essense the combining of acceptance and awareness =mindfulness to me but i looked the two words up in the theasaurus and awareness and mindfulness both meant alert but i know at times they work differently;for instance good thoughts and bad thoughts are like weeds and flowers,usually we pull the weeds ,but here if we accept the weed for the awareness lesson that it has taught us then we become mindful of all the good that we have stumbled upon because of the weeds,therefore accepting...
oh and the fight to heal is all the work it takes to get your healing-its not a straining fight so fight the good fight...and think in the now,calling those things that be not as though they were till they are...
and if you like exercise like i do,then exercise when the pain subsides and only workout to the edge of the pain or till it starts to get too painful,i did not fear the weights either of course after i learned about (conditioning).i believe when you do this you are making a stand,just dont strain mentally,if you strain mentally then stop and fight again another day,this applys the same to the physical.
like ive said were all different in ways but from what i can tell so far by all my studies into this forum -we seem to get a heightened illumination when we get that healing-it seems to good to be true,or something from a sci fi flick ,but man the power you feel is remarkable-i really cant wait to go back over all my studies from yrs ago now-when i thought yea that healing is for them but not me-
now theres a system to a healing and we got it -the main thing that hits our heart when this happens is to tell the world and see as many people that wants to get healed ,become healed...
,now i know if a friend wants to live there life again ,its just an understanding away...oh and one last thing..i might make it sound easy ,i think,im glad to try and do that,but honestly i went at it that way-like i was going to get my healing and it worked,so theres another strain to stay away from-dont think am i gonna get it-know that you will get it-and that you will-WoW
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PJ77
United Kingdom
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Posted - 11/25/2012 : 13:12:27
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Hi Eric,
I do not tap on the areas where I have TMS pain. I tap on acupressure points and say statements which then go into a deeper level and helps calm the mind and brings out stuff in the subconscious. You will be surprised how well it works. The same technique is also recommended by Dr Howard Schubiner in Unlearn your Pain on pages 200-202 (in there he says to press the points, EFT can be done by pressing or tapping the points).
As mentioned before since I started the physical therapy it has helped to bring my confidence up as I genuinely feel and am stronger and fitter, which in turn has helped me get more active. Although the techniques and advice given by TMS therapists and former sufferers on here have helped many, it simply did not do enough for me. I was on the verge of depression clinic because I was saying I have done everything in the TMS therapy and 18 months down the road my symptoms have not improved and I am doing and less and less physically. The mental and emotional work was beginning to drive me crazy and I was sick of doing it - you would expect some sort of improvement so far down the line. I'm sure those who have recovered managed to improve even a little 18 months after starting the TMS programme - many would give up after such time and would consider the whole TMS therapy a load of nonsense.
From my experience I would recommend physical therapy to anyone who is stuck. I do not have manipulation done, we are strengthening areas that have not been used for so long. Just because the techniques on their own have worked for sufferers of TMS, does not mean they work for everyone, as there are a lot of us stuck and cannot move forward. Since starting I have set myself physical goals and have been more active now then I have ever been since my spasms started.
The advice given can be very confusing, as the majority are saying do not do it. The internal conflict then causes more symptoms when trying to decide what to do. However my mind is at rest now, you only have to look at Howard Schubiner's book Unlearn Your Pain on page 296:
"Physical therapy is a form of exercise, so I have no problem with that. While you are exercising, make sure to tell yourself frequently that your body is strong, you are healthy, there is nothing wrong with your body, and that you are doing this to get stronger".
Which is exactly what I am doing and the reason I am doing it is to get stronger and fitter.
My emotional and mental work has not stopped, I have integrated the physical therapy into this and I am moving forwards. I would say to anyone stuck, do not rule it out, just because you have been told to stop all physical therapy by many including Dr Sarno does not mean this works for everyone, it certainly has helped me move forwards.
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Edited by - PJ77 on 11/25/2012 13:26:04 |
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eric watson
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Posted - 11/25/2012 : 14:06:38
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your learning well -i hope you stay with the program,you should recover soon/i see nothing wrong with exercise/dr sarno recomends it but just to help the body strengthen,the total healing will be through knowing that you control the pain in your body with your mind-when you get to that state with acceptance awareness and affirmations you will heal, of course youll have to release all the negative thoughts too, with affirmations,called reversing/(but remember we cant eliminate all negs,were human)
i wish you the best,i worked out while i healed,i just learnt to not strain thru it |
Edited by - eric watson on 11/30/2012 17:37:45 |
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