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Cath
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 Posted - 11/12/2012 : 09:27:27
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Thanks TT
A timely reminder for me - was just having one of those nagging doubt days. Happier, more involved and more productive is what I need to be. |
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tennis tom
USA
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Posted - 11/12/2012 : 11:29:18
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bjackson034
USA
19 Posts |
Posted - 11/13/2012 : 00:23:02
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| So true. Sometimes it's so hard not to give into the fear though. I'd love to learn about some techniques people have used to stand up to the fear when it's particularly strong. |
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balto
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Posted - 11/13/2012 : 08:39:47
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Originally posted by bjackson034
So true. Sometimes it's so hard not to give into the fear though. I'd love to learn about some techniques people have used to stand up to the fear when it's particularly strong.
I think dealing with fear is just like dealing with poverty. We got to learn how to make money, but more important I think, we have to save for the rainy day. We don't wait until disaster strike then find out that we have only $5 bucks left in the bank.
Don't wait until the fearful feeling, fearful thoughts to become so uncomfortable then think about how to get over them. We know we are prone to tms/anxiety then we have to prepare our mind to deal with it when it come.
We have to educate ourself about tms/anxiety. We have to realize that they came from our negative mind. We have to realize that they are rarely dangerous. We have to realize that they are totally treatable, anyone can get well, and it cost very little.
Just like getting vacinated for a flu every year. We have to invest in the prevention of tms/anxiety. We know stress promote and produce tms/anxiety then we should make changes in our life to destress or minimize it. We know that meaningful relationship, praying, mediation, get involve, having a purpose... all promote a positive effect in our health and reduce or reverse the symptoms of tms/anxiety, then we should invest time in our life to promote those activities.
We know that positive talk, positive mindpower, positive visuallization, meditation,... have the opposite effect of tms/anxiety symtoms then we should invest time to practice them daily or as often as we can. Don't wait until fear thoughts flooded your mind then do them, do them now. Master them, master the technique.
last, if all else fail, just say to yourself: "so what", "I don't give a ****", the worst that could happen is dead but I have never heard of anyone come back from the other side yet, so it must be nice on the other side that people don't want to come back here.
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No, I don't know everything. I'm just here to share my experience. |
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tennis tom
USA
4749 Posts |
Posted - 11/13/2012 : 09:05:29
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Originally posted by bjackson034
I'd love to learn about some techniques people have used to stand up to the fear when it's particularly strong.
That's going to vary a lot depending on the specific activity you want to do. What exactly is it you want to accomplish?
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DR. SARNO'S 12 DAILY REMINDERS:
www.youtube.com/watch?v=r0dKBFwGR0g
TAKE THE HOLMES-RAHE STRESS TEST
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holmes_and_Rahe_stress_scale
Some of my favorite excerpts from _THE DIVIDED MIND_ :
http://www.tmshelp.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=2605
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"It is no measure of health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society." Jiddu Krishnamurti
"Pain is inevitable; suffering is optional." Author Unknown
"Happy People Are Happy Putters." Frank Nobilo, Golf Analyst
"Be careful about reading health books. You may die of a misprint." Mark Twain and Balto
"The hot-dog is the noblest of dogs; it feeds the hand that bites it." Dr. Laurence Johnston Peter
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"If it ends with "itis" or "algia" or "syndrome" and doctors can't figure out what causes it, then it might be TMS." Dave the Mod
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TMS PRACTITIONERS:
John Sarno, MD
400 E 34th St, New York, NY 10016
(212) 263-6035
Here's the TMS practitioners list from the TMS Help Forum:
http://www.tmshelp.com/links.htm
Here's a list of TMS practitioners from the TMS Wiki:
http://tmswiki.org/ppd/Find_a_TMS_Doctor_or_Therapist
Here's a map of TMS practitioners from the old Tarpit Yoga site, (click on the map by state for listings).:
http://www.tarpityoga.com/2007_08_01_archive.html |
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bjackson034
USA
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Posted - 11/13/2012 : 12:35:33
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| Great feedback, balto, thanks! |
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catmac
United Kingdom
57 Posts |
Posted - 11/13/2012 : 15:02:34
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Originally posted by SteveO
Andy said something that hit at the core of my message, "brain unthawing."
That's it. Good analogy. There are aspects outside of ourselves that we have hidden from others, and ourselves. We simply don't know they exist because they've been cast outside of our consciousness by our own ego. The TMS serves to keep them there by maintaining body-focus away from the conscious eye.
It's fun to watch Andy unraveling his own mystery piece by piece, like Peter Falk. 'Ah ha' by 'ah ha' we pull back the layers of the persona to reveal the true self, and in it we grow to become the full Self. What you're digging for is happiness and peace that thus far has alluded the TMSer.
We become what we think we should be, and in doing so we lose all sense of what we want to be, or how to express ourselves, or what real happiness is. We spend a lifetime mimicking others, thinking this is the correct thing to do, the perfect way to be; further dividing the mind in conflict.
As we move from the natural phase of life exploring the outer world we shift to the cultural phase, and into the inner world. It's within the inner world that we begin to grow, the outer world is simply a reflection of the inner self.
I think it's important to healing that people know that the pain is simply this hidden self trying to express itself. Pain and symptoms are the virtual language of the unconscious mind. Pain is the only was the unconscious can speak, so unpleasant symptoms are the unconscious mind's method of expressing what you yourself cannot, or won't, because you either were not allowed, or never learned how to.
Steve
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eric watson
USA
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Posted - 11/14/2012 : 20:56:39
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| this is truly an awesome post tt-your insights r uncomparable-thank you for doing this-its really a huge help to a wondering world-between this thread and aces keys to healing were being exposed to alot of info just in time for thanksgiving-thank you tt again-god bless-oh and i had to be the 1000th read. |
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tennis tom
USA
4749 Posts |
Posted - 11/15/2012 : 08:47:56
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Originally posted by eric watson
...just in time for thanksgiving-thank you tt again-god bless-oh and i had to be the 1000th read-
Thanks for the kind words pally  |
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tennis tom
USA
4749 Posts |
Posted - 11/15/2012 : 09:00:07
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SteveO, "GPD" page 116:
"...My pain was disappearing in a most erratic fashion. It had moved around my body in almost every area except my head.
"I was about to experience the final level of healing, but no one knows the hour when it will occur--it just suddenly--happens.
"After 27 years, I was free. It was a life I had never known." |
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tennis tom
USA
4749 Posts |
Posted - 11/16/2012 : 12:58:32
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| I would urge you all to read page 116-117 of SteveO, under the heading "...and the vicious cycle was BROKEN....(insert canned applause here)." It is too much for me to type out, it is beautifully written and captures the journey and universe TMS'ers live in. |
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eric watson
USA
601 Posts |
Posted - 11/16/2012 : 19:20:57
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Originally posted by tennis tom
SteveO, "GPD" page 116:
"...My pain was disappearing in a most erratic fashion. It had moved around my body in almost every area except my head.
"I was about to experience the final level of healing, but no one knows the hour when it will occur--it just suddenly--happens.
"After 27 years, I was free. It was a life I had never known."
........This is worth all the work in the world-to finally reach the pinnacle of steveos journey-to see and feel sarnos theory reach the heights that have been talked about so much....hope that cant be denied....keep em coming tt.. |
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tennis tom
USA
4749 Posts |
Posted - 11/17/2012 : 08:12:36
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Originally posted by balto
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Originally posted by bjackson034
So true. Sometimes it's so hard not to give into the fear though. I'd love to learn about some techniques people have used to stand up to the fear when it's particularly strong.
I think dealing with fear is just like dealing with poverty. We got to learn how to make money, but more important I think, we have to save for the rainy day. We don't wait until disaster strike then find out that we have only $5 bucks left in the bank.
Don't wait until the fearful feeling, fearful thoughts to become so uncomfortable then think about how to get over them. We know we are prone to tms/anxiety then we have to prepare our mind to deal with it when it come.
We have to educate ourself about tms/anxiety. We have to realize that they came from our negative mind. We have to realize that they are rarely dangerous. We have to realize that they are totally treatable, anyone can get well, and it cost very little.
Just like getting vacinated for a flu every year. We have to invest in the prevention of tms/anxiety. We know stress promote and produce tms/anxiety then we should make changes in our life to destress or minimize it. We know that meaningful relationship, praying, mediation, get involve, having a purpose... all promote a positive effect in our health and reduce or reverse the symptoms of tms/anxiety, then we should invest time in our life to promote those activities.
We know that positive talk, positive mindpower, positive visuallization, meditation,... have the opposite effect of tms/anxiety symtoms then we should invest time to practice them daily or as often as we can. Don't wait until fear thoughts flooded your mind then do them, do them now. Master them, master the technique.
last, if all else fail, just say to yourself: "so what", "I don't give a ****", the worst that could happen is dead but I have never heard of anyone come back from the other side yet, so it must be nice on the other side that people don't want to come back here.
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No, I don't know everything. I'm just here to share my experience.
I would suggest to anyone dealing with anxiety, as a TMS symptom equivalent, to read about it on page 117 of SteveO, under the heading titled: "Anchors Aweigh My Boys, Anchors--Aweigh" .
"Anxiety is an equivalent to pain and pain is an anchor for anxiety." |
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tennis tom
USA
4749 Posts |
Posted - 11/18/2012 : 18:24:07
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pg. 117, SteveO:
"I was back in balance--symptom-free for the first time in my life. However, I was about to be astonished--amazed--by unfounded arguments and denials against the very successful process that I had just experienced. The truth was about to be violently rejected." |
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eric watson
USA
601 Posts |
Posted - 11/18/2012 : 19:47:53
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aint this so true tom-its almost impossible for me to tell any one i know the truth-its really like they think this is a joke , these r the same people that had to help me around while i was in pain-i wonder if they think it was all a charade-what do you get out of losing everything because you cant work? i really cant even start to say much about it before i get cut off.....as if it were religion or politics-strange,very strange..... quote:
Originally posted by tennis tom
pg. 117, SteveO:
"I was back in balance--symptom-free for the first time in my life. However, I was about to be astonished--amazed--by unfounded arguments and denials against the very successful process that I had just experienced. The truth was about to be violently rejected."
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tennis tom
USA
4749 Posts |
Posted - 11/19/2012 : 07:52:14
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From page 106, SteveO's "GPD":
"Sic Vis Pacem Para Bellum Latin: If you want peace, prepare for war
"Something very subtle was happening at this time. I had become so invested in my daily routine that I hadn't noticed that I was hitting more golf balls and getting stronger. This is an important aspect of recovery. My focus had now shifted from one obsession to another. My mind's eye was no longer primarily staring at my body or my recovery pace. It was now about 75 percent on my body and 25 percent on my activities. My attention and focus (emphasis mine) were being shifted away from my pain and reeducation was occurring. My recovery was progressing, but more importantly, it was progressing in the correct manner--by shifting focus."
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shawnsmith
Czech Republic
2048 Posts |
Posted - 11/28/2012 : 06:09:35
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I am going to be like Tom and this second time around read SteveO's books really slowly and carefully. I too will offer a few select quotes from the book. Here is my first selection:
"Pain and other chronic symptoms are physical manifestations of unresolved internal conflict. Symptoms surface as an instinctual mechanism for self-survival. They are messages from the inner self wanting to be heard, but the ego takes center-stage, and hides the truth within the shadows of the unconscious mind: which is the body. The purpose of these physical symptoms is to keep the individual focused on his physical body, and away from the surfacing emotions." -- Page 2 (The Great Pain Deception) |
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tennis tom
USA
4749 Posts |
Posted - 11/28/2012 : 09:04:00
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Thanks Shawn for the Youtube of SteveO, I haven't had a chance to watch it yet but will soon as it's storming and there won't be any tennis for me for a while. Maybe we can have a go-slow race to see who finishes SteveO's book the last. Having purchased it about ten months ago, I'm just starting chapter 6, page 118. I'm hoping "THE GREAT PAIN DECEPTION" will be the last TMS book I'll HAVE to read.
Cheers,
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SteveO
USA
272 Posts |
Posted - 11/29/2012 : 12:10:07
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TTom you could be the first person to take longer to read the book than it took to write it. I think you can win this contest. First prize is a signed copy in pig-latin, my primary language.
Truth is, I wanted people to take their time reading it, mark it up, dog ear it, memorize it. They're the ones who it's helping the most. Those folks who are reading it quickly and moving on to the next information aren't progressing as well as those hunkering down and integrating it all, piece by piece.
Gathering information is only the first step in healing, it's important to act on that same information--not gather more. It's impossible to check off everything in my healing checklist and still be in pain. The good news is I'm getting more and more emails from people healing at steady rates, and moving on in life.
RE: Anchors Aweigh My Boys; What I meant by that was, that at the end of my healing my breathing and heartrate began to race and I began to experience what would be called anxiety/panic for the first time. So as my pain left for the first time in 30 years the wild emotions burst through, as Andy would say my brain was "unthawing." It was then that I realized all those years the pain was holding down panic so that I could appear as normal, as others expected me to. It was also then that I realized that Dr. Sarno was perfectly correct. It had served as an anchor for the emotions, and so my brain was doing me a favor with the pain.
Once the anchor (the pain) was removed, that was holding my anxiety in, the anxiety had carte blanche (blank check) to run wild. My pain was helping me to avoid the experience of anxiety, which it must not like as much as pain. The brain chooses pain over the sensation of "loss of control" as a socially acceptable substitute for anxiety. To appear "normal," people give themselves pain to cope through an environment that they aren't happy in, don't feel safe in, or don't want to be in.
I hope that clarifies it some.
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Bugbear
United Kingdom
152 Posts |
Posted - 11/29/2012 : 15:53:59
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| I bought SteveO's book several months ago and am only on page 97. Can I join the competition? I don't know what is holding me back. Procrastination? Fear that I will read it and procrastinate on the doing stage? I agree it isn't enough to just read and gain knowledge. Well, not for me anyway. |
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