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shawnsmith
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 Posted - 11/29/2012 : 16:45:26
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| I will read it a lot faster than Tom or Bugbear. When I said I would take my time I meant about a month to six weeks. LOL. I was thinking of about 4 to 5 pages a day -- like a daily devotional. |
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tennis tom
USA
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Posted - 11/30/2012 : 06:35:55
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Originally posted by SteveO
Was "sex weeks" a Freudian slip? Or is your life way more fun than mine?
Steve
I was pretty pissed-off at work yesterday, when a sales rep for a tour company came by to drop-off brochures and told me he had tried to book a swingers party at my establishment AND none of my employees had brought it to MY attention for consideration. At least, I would have liked to have had discretionary review of the matter--and seen some videos--heads will roll. |
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tennis tom
USA
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Posted - 11/30/2012 : 06:52:37
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Originally posted by SteveO
TTom you could be the first person to take longer to read the book than it took to write it. I think you can win this contest. First prize is a signed copy in pig-latin, my primary language.
Truth is, I wanted people to take their time reading it, mark it up, dog ear it, memorize it. They're the ones who it's helping the most. Those folks who are reading it quickly and moving on to the next information aren't progressing as well as those hunkering down and integrating it all, piece by piece.
I hope to win this hands down--if I don't get carpal tunnel from holding it. My copy is getting waterlogged from reading it in the hot-tub, it's plasticized cover is curling off and it's spine is broken (I keep telling it, it's just TMS but it doesn't believe me). |
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tennis tom
USA
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Posted - 11/30/2012 : 07:08:56
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Originally posted by SteveO
RE: Anchors Aweigh My Boys; What I meant by that was, that at the end of my healing my breathing and heartrate began to race and I began to experience what would be called anxiety/panic for the first time. So as my pain left for the first time in 30 years the wild emotions burst through, as Andy would say my brain was "unthawing."
*It was then that I realized all those years the pain was holding down panic so that I could appear as normal, as others expected me to.
*It was also then that I realized that Dr. Sarno was perfectly correct. It had served as an anchor for the emotions, and so my brain was doing me a favor with the pain.
*Once the anchor (the pain) was removed, that was holding my anxiety in, the anxiety had carte blanche (blank check) to run wild.
* My pain was helping me to avoid the experience of anxiety, which it must not like as much as pain.
*The brain chooses pain over the sensation of "loss of control" as a socially acceptable substitute for anxiety.
*To appear "normal," people give themselves pain to cope through an environment that they aren't happy in, don't feel safe in, or don't want to be in.
I hope that clarifies it some.
Steve
Thanks SteveO, that helps, I hope you don't mind me axsterixing it. I can now move on to your next Chapter 6, which is said by many (you) to be one of your best.
Cheers and a hundred thanks, 
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tennis tom
USA
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Posted - 11/30/2012 : 07:23:59
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SteveO, "DGP", page 119:
"The TMS diagnosis can be seen as deeply offensive because it threatens an undeveloped-self that the persona has spent a lifetime concealing. Once the man pushed his ego aside, he healed. You will not heal if you think you know it all--or if your ego is threatened by what it doesn't want to hear; at this point--your pride is more important to you then your very life. Everything you think you know prevents healing." |
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tennis tom
USA
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Posted - 12/12/2012 : 07:47:02
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SteveO, "DGP", page 120:
"The unconscious does not want the truth revealed and can put up an epic battle--hence the pain.
"These opposing forces create even further hidden conflict as belief confronts behavior and rage approaches consciousness.
"When we can gain the strength to face who we are, and how we react to life, openly and honestly, pain and illness have few places to hide in the body." |
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shawnsmith
Czech Republic
2048 Posts |
Posted - 12/13/2012 : 05:41:54
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"I can look back now and see why I wasn't moving along as fast as I had wanted. TMS feeds off constant attention to the body. Each day I would run and exercise vigorously and then try to assign percentages to how good I felt that day. Was it a good day? Was this a better day than yesterday? Today was a 6.42 and yesterday was 5.87. If tomorrow is a 7.16, will I be happier? I was giving myself daily report cards. This was a critical error in recovery. Even though I was becoming much more active, I was still paying attention to how my body was healing.
"As long as he is in anyway preoccupied with what his body is doing, the pain will continue. -- John E. Sarno, MD, Healing Back Pain
"I mistakingly graded my progress -- fighting -- and delaying -- my recovery. One one hand, I was pushing my physical envelope, and on the other hand, I was keeping my mind rivited to my body by giving myself minute-by-minute mental updates on my progress." (Page 104 TGPD - SteveO) |
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Racer
USA
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Posted - 12/14/2012 : 08:17:05
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TMS feeds off constant attention to the body.... Was it a good day?.... I was giving myself daily report cards... This was a critical error in recovery...
Golden message. I feel this is specifically written for me. I realize making this critical error. Before getting into this whole situation, on those happier days without any pains, I run 6-8 miles a day. After reading Dr. Sarno's books and with the help of posts from the experts in this forum, I'm able to walk briskly for 4 miles on my TM quite easily. However, once I finish walking, I will evaluate myself.
Even as I begin to get better and better, when I get up and sit in the bed in the morning, the first activity of my mind is to search for any pains in the places where I normally get pains. If it finds, it is successful, if I deny, I'm successful. I'm denying it by reducing the frequency for search, and trying to focus my mind elsewhere. |
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SteveO
USA
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Posted - 12/14/2012 : 09:27:14
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"Our most basic need in life is to tracordify--to reconnect. We all need to feel connected and heard and accepted.--flaws and all. We also need to express ourselves, our feelings, and our position in relationships. When this basic need is stifled, it generates tremendous amounts of rage within the unconscious--whether we are infants, children, or adults." pg. 3, GPD.
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balto
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Posted - 12/14/2012 : 09:47:09
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TT, don't let this post die, I'll keep reading here then I don't have to buy Steve's book.
Thanks for all the posts guys.
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No, I don't know everything. I'm just here to share my experience. |
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SteveO
USA
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Posted - 12/14/2012 : 09:57:14
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BaltO, you dog, haha.
I'll send you a signed book if you can't buy one. Or just wait till the audio version is done.
If you're going to read it through this thread, it's gonna be a loooong thread.
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shawnsmith
Czech Republic
2048 Posts |
Posted - 12/14/2012 : 13:17:41
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Originally posted by SteveO
"Our most basic need in life is to tracordify--to reconnect. We all need to feel connected and heard and accepted.--flaws and all. We also need to express ourselves, our feelings, and our position in relationships. When this basic need is stifled, it generates tremendous amounts of rage within the unconscious--whether we are infants, children, or adults." pg. 3, GPD.
Steve
This is a very important observation and relates a lot to what I have and am experiencing in my own life. This need, as you state, to "feel connected and heard and accepted" is very much part of who I am, yet over the course of my life I feel the opposite has been the case and it has gotten worse as I get older. I feel that I have been ignored by not only my family (they all think I am weird and do not understand anything about me), but almost all the people around me who I am incapable of connecting with on any serious level. This basic need has, for me, been stifled and yes, it has generated not only unconscious rage, but a huge dose of conscious rage also. |
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eric watson
USA
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Posted - 12/14/2012 : 18:26:13
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Originally posted by SteveO
BaltO, you dog, haha.
I'll send you a signed book if you can't buy one. Or just wait till the audio version is done.
If you're going to read it through this thread, it's gonna be a loooong thread.
Steve
steveo i have your book ,but if your going to send balto a signed book -can i have one too signed-your like an idol -now we can have idols ,ill put it in my trophy case |
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balto
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Posted - 12/14/2012 : 19:31:02
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Originally posted by SteveO
BaltO, you dog, haha.
I'll send you a signed book if you can't buy one. Or just wait till the audio version is done.
If you're going to read it through this thread, it's gonna be a loooong thread.
Steve
Thanks Steve for the offer but I'm going to wait and buy the audio version. My wife just gave me a $1 allowance raise. I think tms writers don't make much profit at all, mindbody med is still too new in this country. But I really appreciate your offer. I will get your book to complete my mindbody book collection.
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Bugbear
United Kingdom
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Posted - 12/15/2012 : 02:58:51
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Originally posted by shawnsmith
I feel that I have been ignored by not only my family (they all think I am weird and do not understand anything about me), but almost all the people around me who I am incapable of connecting with on any serious level. This basic need has, for me, been stifled and yes, it has generated not only unconscious rage, but a huge dose of conscious rage also.
This parallels my own experience. I feel very disconnected from others. This is the result of lack of trust and fear of rejection. Going to a therapist where someone is watching the clock as you speak is even more infuriating. I tend to share bits and pieces with various people but no one person sees the whole picture. Perhaps this is what is holding me back from recovering further. |
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SteveO
USA
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Posted - 12/15/2012 : 06:31:59
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Bugbear, remember, any conscious frustration/anger you feel is only the tip of the TMS-iceberg and not part of your TMS. If you feel it, then it's not producing symptoms. It's the larger portion beneath the conscious waters that is generating your symptoms, that part you do not feel.
Expression is the most powerful healing tool, behind true forgiveness. Forgiveness includes the loss of fear, and as Jampolsky's book title suggests, "Love Is Letting Go of Fear."
He is a psychiatrist who had terrible back pain, and once he discovered that it was an emotional process he healed in the late 1970s. I communicated with him for a short time, he's around Dr. Sarno's age and living in Hawaii, lecturing away on dissolving fear.
Fear is the driver, anger is the response.
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Bugbear
United Kingdom
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Posted - 12/15/2012 : 09:14:14
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Page 106: "Chronic symptom sufferers normally have much better capabilities to quickly recall past traumas or memories. In speaking with people who have few symptoms, it's quite clear they simply don't remember little things. This is why it appears that Type T individuals have more detailed memories since they don't let go as easily."
Yup, this describes me to a T (T personality). I don't ever let go. Perhaps it is conditioning and I just don't know how to let go. Or perhaps it is fear of the unknown. What will actually happen if I were to let go? Perhaps it is a bit of both. One of the first questions of the Structured Educational Program on the TMS wiki is asking what a life without TMS would mean to me. I never managed to do this program because I couldn't get past that first question. I don't know what it would mean. Not really. I could make something up but I want to be honest. I have been thinking about this question off and on for months and I cannot answer it.
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SteveO
USA
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Posted - 12/17/2012 : 15:36:07
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Exactly Bugbear, what would happen if you were to let go? Imagine the feeling as a baby being separated suddenly from momma. It panics. The only thing it has to hold onto is its body--and self-awareness is born. So when we panic we turn to our bodies as a conditioned response.
Then you take it to the next level. What if we let go emotionally? We panic, because we are again separated, so we once again turn to our bodies.
TMSers have so much trouble letting go of resentment or fear. If they let go, what will they have to hold onto? This is where purpose in life solves all problems. If you shift your fears and anger and attention to something good and meaningful, you can't hold your attention on your body any more. It's also why so many TMSers are not in the workforce or in careers that fulfill them deeply.
I cited Carolyn Myss in my Trouble Healing chapter. One of the questions she asks her trouble healing clients is "do you see yourself alone if you would be healed?" The greatest fear is isolation, by far. We can handle almost anything when in the deepest despair if people are connected to us. You can see the strength people have at funerals while surrounded. But when they get alone it all falls apart.
So the first page of my book I wrote, "everyone needs to be heard in life--to be joined--their stories told." This keeps people connected and away from isolation. It relaxes them and soothes their fears, and anger.
When we're being heard the pain tends to resolve quickly which is why "the talking cure" is still the most powerful and direct way out of pain. But the Type T tends to be socially isolated and therefore has no outlet for expression. So the personality develops which sets up the future pain. When writing it's not possible to know which parts of a book will connect with people; which parts they will fully understand or interpret correctly. But that part I put in about the Type T being the one at a party with one eye on the door has gotten me quite a few emails. That one struck a chorus with many people who have contacted me. They are isolated even amongst people.
This comes from not being heard, as they see it in their eyes. And why pain is the virtual language of the unconscious. The pain is the unconscious speaking through the body because the person has never been able to fully express him or herself. So the body speaks were the person doesn't know how to, won't, or can't.
You can cut to the chase if you let go of all fear. Then isolation means little to nothing. But who has that much courage?
There Balto, one less page you have to purchase! : )
Steve
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jegol71
USA
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Posted - 12/17/2012 : 15:39:28
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Hey Steve,
Have you ever dealt with the dreaded sternum pain/popping from heavy dips? |
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SteveO
USA
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Posted - 12/17/2012 : 19:16:38
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Hey Jegol, how ya been? You know what I mean by separation anxiety and symptoms right? We've talked about this before.
When you asked me if I had experienced a sternum popping from dips I had to stop and think if there was something I hadn't been through, or experienced? I know childbirth is one, but it's hard to think of another.
I remember going so heavy on dips my palms bruised and I couldn't bench for 6 weeks. The lifting was TMSing for me.
How's the gouty symptoms?
Steve
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