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tennis tom
USA
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 Posted - 10/10/2012 : 09:58:58
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Pps 107-108
"...month by month, very slowly and progressively, I was moving around more freely. I had now been on my recovery program for an unknown number of months (I stopped keeping track, which helped). My confidence in myself and in the TMS diagnosis was growing, as years of misleading information were slowly fading from memory.
...Gradually, and I do mean very, very gradually, I found myself not thinking about pain. I had moved to yet another plateau." |
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balto
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Posted - 10/10/2012 : 17:38:05
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I think Steve should have some kind of compensation plan for you TT. You're the best salesman he can ever ask for. 
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No, I don't know everything. I'm just here to share my experience. |
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tennis tom
USA
4749 Posts |
Posted - 10/10/2012 : 19:42:15
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You got it Balto, we've got a deal, I'm going to tout and hawk his books and in trade he's gonna' "cure" my hip.
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DR. SARNO'S 12 DAILY REMINDERS:
www.youtube.com/watch?v=r0dKBFwGR0g
TAKE THE HOLMES-RAHE STRESS TEST
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holmes_and_Rahe_stress_scale
Some of my favorite excerpts from _THE DIVIDED MIND_ :
http://www.tmshelp.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=2605
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"It is no measure of health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society." Jiddu Krishnamurti
"Pain is inevitable; suffering is optional." Author Unknown
"Happy People Are Happy Putters." Frank Nobilo, Golf Analyst
"Be careful about reading health books. You may die of a misprint." Mark Twain and Balto
"The hot-dog is the noblest of dogs; it feeds the hand that bites it." Dr. Laurence Johnston Peter
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"If it ends with "itis" or "algia" or "syndrome" and doctors can't figure out what causes it, then it might be TMS." Dave the Mod
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TMS PRACTITIONERS:
John Sarno, MD
400 E 34th St, New York, NY 10016
(212) 263-6035
Here's the TMS practitioners list from the TMS Help Forum:
http://www.tmshelp.com/links.htm
Here's a list of TMS practitioners from the TMS Wiki:
http://tmswiki.org/ppd/Find_a_TMS_Doctor_or_Therapist
Here's a map of TMS practitioners from the old Tarpit Yoga site, (click on the map by state for listings).:
http://www.tarpityoga.com/2007_08_01_archive.html |
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tennis tom
USA
4749 Posts |
Posted - 10/11/2012 : 22:54:29
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SteveO page 108:
"--I felt I needed more proof. This is characteristic of the Type T personality, the need for more information. Deeply ingrained patterns make them cynical and doubtful."
"...It is the absurdity in life that can make it hilarious. But more importantly, we all share life together. It's very comforting to know that others are going through similar scary events in life as you are." |
Edited by - tennis tom on 10/12/2012 06:03:38 |
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tennis tom
USA
4749 Posts |
Posted - 10/12/2012 : 06:08:45
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| For anyone suffering from pain while sitting, read SteveO, pages 108-110, under the heading titled "Here Boy, Sit Boy--Good Boy..." to see how he de-conditioned himself from TMS pain while sitting. You may want to take a couple of aspirins before reading it. |
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mchan
USA
75 Posts |
Posted - 10/16/2012 : 09:39:51
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| I just finished reading the book and I am overwhelmed at his courage and faith to believe in the treatment, and the patience he had to get to the finish line! I am confused by one thing at least for my path. He talks about part of treatment for TMS is not letting it affect your life, your activities ect. Getting out there and doing what you were afraid to do. I have never let my symptoms affect any of my activities, I have tried to ignore it the whole 7 years, but it has not improved. I have done everything I would normally do silently in extreme pain but it does not seem to heal. So, I guess I have a slightly different path to healing. |
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tennis tom
USA
4749 Posts |
Posted - 10/16/2012 : 11:08:59
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Originally posted by mchan
...I have never let my symptoms affect any of my activities, I have tried to ignore it the whole 7 years, but it has not improved. I have done everything I would normally do silently in extreme pain but it does not seem to heal. So, I guess I have a slightly different path to healing.
You said in your previous post that you have problems with intimacy with your husband due to prior sexual abuse--kissing, etc. are activities. Maybe you need some counseling with a sex therapist to get over it? |
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mchan
USA
75 Posts |
Posted - 10/16/2012 : 12:12:35
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| Yes, we have had counseling. I have not found it helpful at all, but it was just the talking out problems kind...where you just talk about the past ect. Then they tell you to start slow and do it anyway, all goes ok for a few weeks and then things return back to normal. Maybe I need some sort of therapy other than talk. I am so sick of all this! I mean trying to clean up the mess from the childhood, seems I have spent my adulthood/finances trying to recover. |
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tennis tom
USA
4749 Posts |
Posted - 10/16/2012 : 12:48:23
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| I would definitely try a TMS therapist, even if it's by phone! Personally I've met MANY therapists here in Southern Marin, the hot-tubs are full of them and not one has ever heard of Dr. Sarno. They all want to be like doctors and we all here know where the Descartean view of medicine has gotten us. I for one would not spend another penny on a shrink that isn't a TMS disciple or minimally agrees to read the Good Doctor's book before hand. Think about it, how smart can they be if they are a psych and have never heard of Sarno and don't ascribe passionately to psychosomatic medicine. To my eyes most of these "therapists" are paid for buddies. Here they'll go for walkies with you, Pete's for coffee and you feel better because you got some tracordification as SteveO so aptly coined it and worked up a little sweat. But you haven't done any of the what can be the hard work that is required to be "cured" of TMS pain. |
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mchan
USA
75 Posts |
Posted - 10/18/2012 : 13:45:55
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| Yeah, I will look into that. On the phone would have to be it, there is one about 40 min from me but she is very $$$. I wish there were some under my insurance, but there are not. I am going to school to become a therapist currently, and I now am fully away of TMS, so I hopefully will be a resource in a few years once I can heal. |
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tennis tom
USA
4749 Posts |
Posted - 10/18/2012 : 18:03:42
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Hi Mchan, 40 mins away does not seem so bad. I drove 500 miles to LA to see Schechter and Dubin. Also drove several hours to Santa Cruz to see Eisenberg and participate in his group mediation sessions numerous times and saw his therapist for a double session.
Since you posted how TMS has been ruining your life and draining your finances for decades it seems your money would be better spent at this time getting well rather then going to school to become a therapist. You may learn much more about "curing" others of TMS from a competent TMS therapist then then from classes and textbooks. When you graduate and hang out your shingle, how would it be if potential clients said I wish I could go to see Mchan but she charges so many $$$.
Yes, TMS therapist charge $$$$ for their services, they have to eat too. I have not found that TMS therapists charge anymore then non-TMS therapists. You get what you pay for in this life. Therapists/ shrinks charge $150-240 last time I checked. How much has TMS cost you in misery and loss of feeling life's pleasures? Maybe it's time to think about hocking some jewelry or robbing a bank. Dr. D. Dubin said the most number of sessions he had to do was a dozen to convey the TMS knowledge.
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Edited by - tennis tom on 10/18/2012 18:15:23 |
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tennis tom
USA
4749 Posts |
Posted - 10/18/2012 : 18:33:20
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SteveO page 109:
"When one expects pain one gets pain."
"If a person holds tension...and pain strikes, his brain is conditioned to withdraw blood each and every time..."
"So the brain expects pain, and so it gets pain."
"I was unwittingly abut to do the same thing--by bracing for it."
"This type of conditioning can occur anywhere in the body and it is instantaneous."
"Once again my main man, Dr. Sarno was correct..." |
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mchan
USA
75 Posts |
Posted - 10/20/2012 : 16:48:31
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| Its not that I dont want to pay a good therapist! If I had the $150.00 a week I would gladly do it. I just meant she is not covered by my insurance and thats hard when you have a young family living paycheck to paycheck. 40 minutes drive is a big deal when you have 3 small children and are in chronic pain, but I get your point. If I want to get well I will make it happen. I do not pay for my school and I go to school online for my undergrad. Its a life long dream of mine and I feel like it helps my TMS. When I quit school last year due to pain I became hopeless and felt like I was allowing my pain to take over my life. When I began again I felt I had a better outlook and was not allowing pain to steal everything. |
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mchan
USA
75 Posts |
Posted - 10/20/2012 : 16:50:20
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I am currently scheming to rob a bank, if anyone wants to be in on it, let me know |
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Wodg
Australia
89 Posts |
Posted - 10/20/2012 : 19:47:05
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I considered robbing banks but most get caught.
Instead I'm planning on starting a web design business. Biggest crooks out there and it's legal. |
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andy64tms
USA
589 Posts |
Posted - 10/21/2012 : 10:00:38
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Hi mchan,
You said:
I have never let my symptoms affect any of my activities, I have tried to ignore it the whole 7 years, but it has not improved. I have done everything I would normally do silently in extreme pain but it does not seem to heal. So, I guess I have a slightly different path to healing.
Just to let you know you’re not alone here, I am the same. The last time I allowed pain to dominate me was before 2000. Since then I have windsurfed, kayaked, swam etc. with no fear of symptoms what so ever.
I even started to get annoyed with Balto’s constant “Fear” message. (sorry Balto). Then I realized that for the most part he says “Fear/anxiety”. I looked up definitions of both and they are very different. Here is an extract from Wikipedia.
Fear is frequently related to the specific behaviors of escape and avoidance, whereas anxiety is the result of threats which are perceived to be uncontrollable or unavoidable. It is worth noting that fear almost always relates to future events, such as worsening of a situation, or continuation of a situation that is unacceptable. Fear can also be an instant reaction to something presently happening.
Not fearing our symptoms is extremely good news for you and I, for it means our TMS problems lie elsewhere, mine is definitely anxiety, derived from childhod stuff and my personality.
I have simplified this to:
Fear = External threat or danger-controllable by escape.
Anxiety= Internal worry in our heads-uncontrollable.
You also said:
So, I guess I have a slightly different path to healing.
SteveO mentioned this I think: “Our paths are as different as we are human”. I have stopped looking for “Someone like me”, as the person I’m looking for is ME”.
Good luck
Andy
Past TMS Experience in 2000, with success.
Back on Wiki Edu Program day 15
Charlie Horse on neck for 20 years. (to be evicted later.)
Books:
Healing Back Pain
Unlearn your Pain
The Great Pain Deception |
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mchan
USA
75 Posts |
Posted - 10/21/2012 : 12:29:43
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Wodg : funny my husband is a web designer/developer..lol
andy64tms: Those are great definitions, for me I always thought it was pertaining to “fear of my symptoms limiting my life”. This I do not have, but I do have fear of feeling emotions for sure. I will do everything and anything to avoid feeling anything, so when you put it this way for me I FEAR the emotions and I actively involve myself in anything but dealing with internal emotions.
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tennis tom
USA
4749 Posts |
Posted - 11/02/2012 : 08:36:32
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Page 111, from SteveO :
"Never Fear Sopherman is Here--TMS--Trust Marc Sopher""
"It was during this timeframe that I got a much needed confidence boost from Dr. Marc Sopher. Marc is a mindbody-experienced TMS physician who worked in Exeter, New Hampshire and had trained with Dr. Sarno. I will forever be grateful for him for helping with my recovery by responding to my email questions to him. After advising me that he could not ethically treat me over the Internet (emphasis mine), he did give my confidence by writing that, "if you do have TMS adding that "it certainly sounds as though you do"), I should drop all the timeframes I had "preset" for healing. He also told me that "any doubt" at all that I have TMS must be abolished--any "shadow of doubt" and the pain would continue. So with regard to monitoring my progress and speeding my recovery, I had to cease and desist and to let those memories all fade (emp. me). I needed to focus elsewhere--to forcefully guide my thoughts to somewhere else other then the painful areas."
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Dr. Marc Sopher's book is cool, he was captain of his tennis team in college and the cover of his book has a picture of him running a marathon: http://www.tms-mindbodymedicine.com/why.htm (tt)
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SteveO
USA
272 Posts |
Posted - 11/02/2012 : 10:36:50
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Andy said something that hit at the core of my message, "brain unthawing."
That's it. Good analogy. There are aspects outside of ourselves that we have hidden from others, and ourselves. We simply don't know they exist because they've been cast outside of our consciousness by our own ego. The TMS serves to keep them there by maintaining body-focus away from the conscious eye.
It's fun to watch Andy unraveling his own mystery piece by piece, like Peter Falk. 'Ah ha' by 'ah ha' we pull back the layers of the persona to reveal the true self, and in it we grow to become the full Self. What you're digging for is happiness and peace that thus far has alluded the TMSer.
We become what we think we should be, and in doing so we lose all sense of what we want to be, or how to express ourselves, or what real happiness is. We spend a lifetime mimicking others, thinking this is the correct thing to do, the perfect way to be; further dividing the mind in conflict.
As we move from the natural phase of life exploring the outer world we shift to the cultural phase, and into the inner world. It's within the inner world that we begin to grow, the outer world is simply a reflection of the inner self.
I think it's important to healing that people know that the pain is simply this hidden self trying to express itself. Pain and symptoms are the virtual language of the unconscious mind. Pain is the only was the unconscious can speak, so unpleasant symptoms are the unconscious mind's method of expressing what you yourself cannot, or won't, because you either were not allowed, or never learned how to.
Steve
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tennis tom
USA
4749 Posts |
Posted - 11/10/2012 : 07:18:44
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SteveO, "GPD", page 114:
"My pain...started at age 14, which is a very young age--and a very long time to be focused away from a side of me that I never knew existed. So I knew healing would take time. The million-dollar question was, how much longer? Once again, it is this type of thinking that perpetuates TMS symptoms. One must forget about TMS altogether (emp. mine). Live as though pain never existed--in real--time do what you love, and never keep tabs on it..." |
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tennis tom
USA
4749 Posts |
Posted - 11/12/2012 : 08:15:07
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SteveO "GPD" page 116:
"...How bad backs and bad necks and pain are viewed today, in an era of modern medicine, is a disaster. When an individual is in pain, the orders are bed rest and/or surgery and/or stabilization of the area through bracing and/or fusion and/or muscle strengthening. These are the very opposite approaches to take regarding healing. The appropriate therapy is to defeat fear and become happier, more involved and more productive. That isn't easy--but it's well worth the effort." |
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