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avik
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 Posted - 05/24/2012 : 21:46:30
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I know thats somewhat of a dramatic statement but having read literally hundreds of posts on this site (and having beaten about 80%+ of nearly 15 years of countless iterations or "equivalents" of TMS)-I find that so many people seem to be asking the same type of question, which usually looks something like this:
"Ive read all/some of Sarno's books, I understand TMS, but what do I do now?"
Unfortunately, none of Sarno's books (as brilliant, astute and ground-breaking as they all are), give the reader/sufferer a "program" with which one can follow, to actively target their respective emotional issues and correlated pain.
Dr. Howard Schubiner's book "Unlearn Your Pain" is in my opinion, the best book out there at doing just that. Schubiner (I believe) studied under Sarno and although he has another name for TMS (MBS or, Mind-Body Syndrome) he basically reiterates everything Sarno has said, has updated some of the info and most importantly, INCLUDES A COMPREHENSIVE PROGRAM ON "JOURNALING" THAT IS A MUST FOR ANY TMS SUFFERER, REGARDLESS OF THEIR RESPECTIVE LEVEL OF SUFFERING.
Please buy this book, learn about how to expel emotions/anger through a variety of types of writing styles and rid yourself of your pains.
No, I do not have a royalty agreement with Dr. Schubiner, im just a big fan.
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MichaelB
USA
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Posted - 05/24/2012 : 23:35:52
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Will put it on my "to get list". Thanks. I already have his tape and I will look at it
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bryan3000
USA
513 Posts |
Posted - 05/25/2012 : 00:29:00
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| Agree. Great book and a must-read. |
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balto
839 Posts |
Posted - 05/25/2012 : 08:46:37
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There are many books out there on mind body syndromes. They can be entertaining, they can be: "I see myself all over the pages", they can be:" endorsed by this expert, that expert", they can be: "comprehensive" ...etc.
But a good book, a great book is the one that actually "cured" you. A 100% cured.
About Journaling, 8 out of 10 people I've known personally found that journaling actually make their symptoms worse. I myself didn't find journaling useful at all. I don't know how re-living a bad memory, re-live a bad emotion would help. I make it worse for me. |
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Gislat
USA
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Posted - 05/25/2012 : 09:38:35
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I agree the book is excellent. I am also doing the online course at unlearnyourpain.com. Dr Schubiner inlcudes many lecture videos with thr on line version.
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avik
128 Posts |
Posted - 05/25/2012 : 10:48:53
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Originally posted by balto
There are many books out there on mind body syndromes. They can be entertaining, they can be: "I see myself all over the pages", they can be:" endorsed by this expert, that expert", they can be: "comprehensive" ...etc.
But a good book, a great book is the one that actually "cured" you. A 100% cured.
About Journaling, 8 out of 10 people I've known personally found that journaling actually make their symptoms worse. I myself didn't find journaling useful at all. I don't know how re-living a bad memory, re-live a bad emotion would help. I make it worse for me.
Balto-Journaling does NOT have to be about bad memories...you can write about anything.
In fact, I journal daily ONLY about positive things; for me, it retrains me to think psychologically and reinforces optimistic/positive thoughts.
I find writing to be the most therapeutic thing I can do, when in pain. |
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andy64tms
USA
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Posted - 05/25/2012 : 15:21:13
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Hi Avik,
I’ve read Dr Schubiner’s book and I agree it has much to offer regarding journaling and TMS that Dr Sarno’s HBP does not include, (Dr. Sarno approves of people continuing on his work).
My difficulty with journaling is the sheer number of “nasties” over the past 60 years I have to write about. I started and realize I need another 60 years to get to all of them. I get more comfort and therapy by openly writing here on this forum.
Balto, by journaling about bad memories you are seeking the truth, the whole essence of TMS.
Avik, by journaling about positive things you are re-enforcing the power of positive thinking.
You are both right, every ones needs and understanding of TMS are different.
For some reason I could not bring myself to do the exercises in the last half of “Unlearn your Pain”. Is this a TMS trick? I remember I read a segment about forgiveness, and went into a complete rage. I am very angry about what my past family has done and are still doing to me. Even after being away from them for 35 years, and the passing of both of my parents I’m still angry. Definitely TMS psycho stuff going on and I know I have to face it sooner or later. I have to admit Dr. Schubiner’s exercises look very positive and constructive, I will get back to them, as I have a lot of good things going on in my life right now, including a new granddaughter yesterday. Wow.
Andy
Past TMS Experience in 2000, with success.
Taking a break from Wiki Edu. due to windsurfing priorities
Charlie horse on neck for 20 years. (to be evicted soon.)
Books: Healing Back Pain
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Aussie
Australia
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Posted - 05/25/2012 : 16:08:03
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I agree with Balto but understand different things work for different people when trying to beat TMS.
When i first read the Sarno books around 6 months ago i thought i had to do some big 'program' or journal daily to try and find the root cause of my back pain.
Yes i am a perfectionist and compulsive and all the other TMS characteristics but writing about them not only confused me, It bored me.
I became very frustrated and deep down knew the writing was doing nothing. I believe my pain cycle was caused more by the anxious state i was in and more importantly the non stop FEAR that had become my thoughts on my pain.
Maybe i just didn't get the whole journaling thing but for me it was like, 'What's bothering you? My back pain' What are you afraid of? ' My back pain getting worse' and on and on.
My childhood was great and when i attempted to review emotions from back then there was nothing at all that came up so i stopped journaling altogether.
My relief did not come until i started to believe that my pain was caused by TMS. When that did happen at a deeper level the chronic low back pain started to subside.
The pain did however jump wildly around my back, neck and a nasty bout of vertigo. I feel the location changes were the result of the TMS finally being exposed and losing it's favourite location of my low back.
Im still not 100% yet due to remaining fear but gosh im close. For those who like to journal that's awesome that it works for you and keep it up, But for anyone reading that hasn't had success with the writing you need to keep reading different books on TMS until you get it.
Only then when at your deepest level you start to accept TMS, Will the reluctant pain start to shift and the confidence you are not broken will slowly grow each day.
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bryan3000
USA
513 Posts |
Posted - 05/26/2012 : 01:31:26
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Balto,
Has anyone ever been 100% cured by one book? If so, I've never met them.
Seems to me that a variety of resources is usually what it takes.
Agree on journaling though. It's not for everyone.
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balto
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Posted - 05/26/2012 : 07:56:41
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Originally posted by bryan3000
Balto,
Has anyone ever been 100% cured by one book? If so, I've never met them.
Seems to me that a variety of resources is usually what it takes.
Agree on journaling though. It's not for everyone.
That is very true Bryan, no one book will cure you.
At one time the more books I read the more confused I get about how to get well. One day I just put all the books I have in front of me and wrote down all the common points they have. The doctors and experts' theories may be different in what caused tms/anxiety, but their recommended treatment methods all have the same goal and I realized that that goal is: not fear the symptoms, don't care about the symptoms. |
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bryan3000
USA
513 Posts |
Posted - 05/27/2012 : 00:21:58
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Balto,
I totally agree. Some of us are just more thick-headed than others and need to hear it over and over. :) |
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mala
Hong Kong
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Posted - 05/27/2012 : 19:32:55
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I have found that the Structured Educational program on The TMS Wiki is very good as it guides you to think & write especially if journalling is your thing. I found it useful at the beginning.
[quote]Maybe i just didn't get the whole journaling thing but for me it was like, 'What's bothering you? My back pain' What are you afraid of? ' My back pain getting worse' and on and on.[quote]
I was like that too. At one stage that was exactly it. There is only so much you can delve into & then it becomes annoyingly frustrating. Even Sarno does not recommend that you focus so much & in so much detail. And he says you don't even have to resolve the issue or change. Which in itself is a bit of a contradiction as the knowledge itself would somehow change you anyway.
Aussie
[quote] Only then when at your deepest level you start to accept TMS, Will the reluctant pain start to shift and the confidence you are not broken will slowly grow each day.[quote]
Can you explain that a bit more with but with say an example from your own experience please?
Balto, I have done a search & read more of yr previous posts but I still don't know what your problem was. Maybe its too personal but you said you have overcome pain. Can I ask what it was if you don't mind?
Good Luck & Good Health
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Aussie
Australia
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Posted - 05/27/2012 : 20:50:18
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Hi Mala,
What i mean by that comment is that it wasn't until i truly stopped fearing and constantly worrying about my back (At a very deep level) that i had some success.
I first picked up Healing Back pain 6 months ago and like most people just reading it did nothing apart from give me some hope as all the physical therapy and treatments i'd tried had given me zero relief.
Typical TMS type personality and i desperatley wanted to control how i healed and have a very structured daily set of things to do ie journal, Delve through past memories,Meditate etc.
I thought that going over emotions and writing about stress and fear and any other feelings was essential to curing the pain.
Turns out my attempts at writing and the other mindfulness type techniques didn't help at all (apart from postive affirmations like 'you are not broken') and still a big part of me feared my bulging disc was the sole culprit for my pain.
All the TMS trained physicians seem to have slightly different 'treatment' suggestions such as some being more journal focused like Schubiner but across the board they all say one must completely let go of the physical before they will start to heal.
I think the writing and mindfulness helps but without that true belief that the pain is not physical people will struggle for results.That's why i suggested going to the States and getting what could be the extra belief you need through diagnosis.
When i felt lost i was so close to getting on a plane myself and if some relief hadn't come i definitely would have. But as i read about TMS more and more the fear that consumed me started to subside and so did the pain.
I then started doing normaly terrifying exercise to force my brain to realise the pain had nothing to do with a bulging disc. When the fear about the disc was still there....So was the pain.All the success stories and there are some amazing long term ones like Guej's clearly show that once the fear is gone then eventually so will the pain.
I think thats so cool and possible for ALL if they can just get the mind there.
I hope i answered your question Mala and that you get some relief soon. |
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balto
839 Posts |
Posted - 05/29/2012 : 08:07:28
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Originally posted by mala
Balto, I have done a search & read more of yr previous posts but I still don't know what your problem was. Maybe its too personal but you said you have overcome pain. Can I ask what it was if you don't mind?
Good Luck & Good Health
Mala
Hi Mala, Over the years I endured a varieties of symptoms. It started out as anxiety and panic, then headache, joints pain, tinnitus, tindonitus, knee pain, back pain, sciatica pain, neck pain, foggy head, feeling of doom, ibs, cfs, chest pain, lump in throat, skin rash and itch, foot gout, hip pain and clicking sound, bloating, pain behind the eyes, ....
They're all gone now and have been for years.
Mentally I felt like in my twenties. I have more responsibilities and stress now, but I feel more content and at peace now than I ever was.
No fear, no pain. |
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Ace1
USA
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Posted - 06/01/2012 : 11:43:40
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| I agree with balto. I didn't find this book very helpful. It's dr sarno book with journaling and meditation. |
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Ace1
USA
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Posted - 06/01/2012 : 11:44:51
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| Let me clarify Dr sarno book was very helpful but I guess I'm trying to say that this book didn't add anything |
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thebomb
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Posted - 06/07/2012 : 12:58:04
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Thanks for posting this I will deffinetley look into it. Yeah it is frustrating trying to get rid of it when there is no real clear way explaining how. I have had great progress so far doing a combination of things but not a hundred percent there yet I'm going to post up what I did. I'll reply back to let you know how I got on with this book also. Where all in this together felow sufferers I know I can fight it and you can too we all just need to help each other out.
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MsMetaP
USA
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Posted - 06/12/2012 : 13:59:47
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[i]hip pain and clicking sound,
OMGosh...Balto, you are the first person I've seen who's mentioned hip clicking. I've had it for about two years and the dr. looks at me like I'm nuts when I mention it. Thank you for this. Now my last symptom has been put in the TMS category!
Grateful to be here! |
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balto
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Posted - 06/13/2012 : 06:58:48
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Originally posted by MsMetaP
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[i]hip pain and clicking sound,
OMGosh...Balto, you are the first person I've seen who's mentioned hip clicking. I've had it for about two years and the dr. looks at me like I'm nuts when I mention it. Thank you for this. Now my last symptom has been put in the TMS category!
Grateful to be here!
It is amazing isn't it. Tms can produce all kind of symptoms. Many people even think cancer is tms and I tend to believe it. Some day people will just call tms doctors when they have lung cancer, breast cancer... |
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drh7900
USA
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Posted - 06/13/2012 : 12:50:06
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One of the things that Sarno suggests in "The Mindbody Prescription" is that Cancer is not necessarily TMS, but that the fact it grew "out of control" could be linked to the fact that the TMS personality type exists...the fact that there is early trauma and repression could be the reason that cancer becomes cancer.
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MsMetaP
USA
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Posted - 06/14/2012 : 07:49:35
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It is amazing isn't it. Tms can produce all kind of symptoms. Many people even think cancer is tms and I tend to believe it. Some day people will just call tms doctors when they have lung cancer, breast cancer...
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I'm not sure I'd call cancer TMS, but I do think that all dis-ease has mental/emotional origins. After all, we don't see corpses getting sick. It takes the individual consciousness to be dis-eased. TMS is specific to muscles and nerves. But the mind has to be involved. 
Even in cases of broken bones, if the person is "self-aware" I'm sure they can trace back to some upset or emotional trauma that occurred at the time of the "accident/incident."
Grateful to be here! |
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EVERYONE on this site must read UNLEARN YOUR PAIN:
