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Ace1
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 Posted - 11/02/2011 : 16:40:37
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| I mean let's say work for example causes you to be tensed up for 5 things happening at once. You develop some indication that your back is stiff and if you were to bend you know that would aggrevate the symptom not bc you think you have something wrong with your back, but you know that bc of the oxygen debit or whatever to that muscle, moving it at that time will naturally hurt more. What I have been doing in this situation, is just avoid bending at that point until the things settle down, or I calm myself down, where my back is not so stiff anymore, where I can easily bend. What I'm asking, is when the people who recovered completely encountered this situation, did they go ahead and just bend anyway or did they do what I have been doing lately. |
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Hillbilly
USA
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Posted - 11/03/2011 : 07:56:36
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Hello again,
I just wanted to point out that I did not devise, author, or even orchestrate my own recovery. I borrowed and stole from others. Back-2-it is quite right to point out that Sarno does what Weekes, Low & others do not, and that is point out pervasive pain as being related to emotional states rather than structural anomalies. In this sense, he puts TMS (I refer to pain as TMS, like I refer to persistent diarrhea as IBS) under the rubric of anxiety-related symptoms and maladies. That was his contribution to my recovery as well, and I should point that out even while disagreeing with his explanation of the psychology and treatment of the disorder.
So there is no Hillbilly Plan for Anxiety Recovery. Mine was a fits and starts, prescribed list of duties that had to be carried out in order to lead a responsible life. Until that time, I had been waiting to feel better to get on with things, but all the while it was the fact that I wasn't getting on with things that was causing the delay in feeling better. Even if you live alone in a cave, you are a social being, and the people with whom you interact are reliant upon you, and you are reliant upon you to accomplish daily tasks in a way that sustains a self-worth in your psyche. So if you suspect that you are dealing with a condition that is psychosomatic, the best advice I can give is to stop making room for your worries in your routine and get things done. You'll feel better immediately because the worries won't stack up from the undone tasks.
I think it is also important to note that none of the doctors or psychologists or gurus out there writing and lecturing about this stuff, nor me or anyone else posting anonymously in these forums has ever cured a single person. The cure comes entirely from the patient, and the biggest step to curing yourself is, ironically, getting out of the way of your body's natural tendency to attain homeostasis, a balanced state of body and mind. That is the definition of the cure, regaining balance. Occasionally you will feel the effects of getting unbalanced along the way, but without chronic rumination, the situation will pass like the seasons in nature, and you will regain your normal health.
All the best to all of you!
I hate quotations. Tell me what you know.
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tennis tom
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Posted - 11/03/2011 : 08:32:15
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Originally posted by Ace1
What I'm asking, is when the people who recovered completely encountered this situation, did they go ahead and just bend anyway or did they do what I have been doing lately.
I bended anyway. About 15 years ago I had excruciating back-pain, my tennis coach sent me to his chiro who he said was "really a kinesiologist", therefore the real deal. After taking an x-ray, mistaking my left testicle for a tumor, taking another x-ray, he dx'ed me with L-4/L-5 pinched nerve. I later showed the x-ray to a buddy of mine who was a personal trainer, and he said my back looked very strong and I had good spaces between my vertebrae.
I attended a three day Yoga back-bending workshop, figuring this would make or break my back. For three days, I did every conceivable back-bend, numerous times, all day with NO problems. The more I bent my back, the better it felt. After that weekend workshop, I have absolutely NO doubts about the strength of my back to this day.
I think the vast majority of people who read x-rays, have NO idea what they are doing in regards to things like arthritis, joint and spinal stuff that is really TMS. They are fishing for a DX and will tell you something that sounds right by today's folk medicine. Because they are wearing a white coat, we believe them. If it's a chiro it will be your spine, a neurologist will tell you it's pinched nerves, a surgeon will say you need nips, tucks and new parts, a barber will say you need a hair-cut.
Nocebos are more powerful than placebos. This week two yoga teachers, who didn't know me at all, layed a bunch of nocebos on me, I just ignored. They're being overly cautious because they are afraid of being sued and losing their job at the yoga studio, or repeating old yoga wives tales.
Hope that helps, JUST DO IT!
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DR. SARNO'S 12 DAILY REMINDERS:
www.youtube.com/watch?v=r0dKBFwGR0g
TAKE THE HOLMES-RAHE STRESS TEST
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holmes_and_Rahe_stress_scale
Some of my favorite excerpts from _THE DIVIDED MIND_ :
http://www.tmshelp.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=2605
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"It is no measure of health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society." Jiddu Krishnamurti
"Pain is inevitable; suffering is optional." Author Unknown
"Happy People Are Happy Putters." Frank Nobilo, Golf Analyst
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TMS PRACTITIONERS:
Here's the TMS practitioners list from the TMS Help Forum:
http://www.tmshelp.com/links.htm
Here's a list of TMS practitioners from the TMS Wiki:
http://tmswiki.org/page/Find+a+TMS+Doctor+or+Therapist
Here's a map of TMS practitioners from the old Tarpit Yoga site:
http://www.tarpityoga.com/2007_08_01_archive.html |
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Plantweed
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Posted - 11/03/2011 : 08:59:34
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Yeah, I don't want to sound like Hillbilly is a guru or messiah or something, it's just his posts sort of unlocked a key for me, that's all, contrary to many other well-meaning folks here who seemed like they were running in place.
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balto
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Posted - 11/03/2011 : 15:28:06
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Originally posted by Ace1
I mean let's say work for example causes you to be tensed up for 5 things happening at once. You develop some indication that your back is stiff and if you were to bend you know that would aggrevate the symptom not bc you think you have something wrong with your back, but you know that bc of the oxygen debit or whatever to that muscle, moving it at that time will naturally hurt more. What I have been doing in this situation, is just avoid bending at that point until the things settle down, or I calm myself down, where my back is not so stiff anymore, where I can easily bend. What I'm asking, is when the people who recovered completely encountered this situation, did they go ahead and just bend anyway or did they do what I have been doing lately.
My tolerance to pain is pretty high compare to others. I once had a tooth filling without getting numb. So usually the pain don't bother me much. It is the thought that the pain is signaling to me there is something wrong or something will be wrong or get worse that I have to overcome. Those fear thoughts came automaticly so I have to constantly be aware of it and have to reason with myself that they are wrong thoughts and there is nothing I have to be affraid of. After you're aware of those thoughts and dismissed them long enough, often enought it will become a natural thing to do. It will become a habit, a defensive habit against irrational fear.
So I would just do whatever I want to do as long as I can take the pain and stop when the pain is more than I can handle. And while doing that I always observe my thought and dismiss all those negative thoughts that I caught my brain allowed in.
Automatic negative thoughts came from prolong stress and uninterupted fear. Feed your brain with realistic thoughts, with positive thoughts. Do it convincingly and believe in it, do it often enough then automatic positive thought will become the norm for you and you will be free of pain. |
Edited by - balto on 11/03/2011 15:31:02 |
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