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phillyjoe
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 Posted - 08/28/2013 : 10:44:54
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| I met w/Dr. Schubinder here in Michigan regarding knee issue. He reviewed my MRI with ortho associate. Confirmed structural damage, associate assessed surgery would have positive results. Dr. S. did not rule out surgery.. I have used TMS healing for back/anxiety. Struggling with knee. I have read Baylor studies from 2002 regarding knee scope/surgery and the results that surgery is not the end all. I feel stuck. Trying to use the mind to heal or ignore the knee pain which has been with me since March. I posted early this month about a relapse with back after 9 years. That in a way has been a blessing to refocus my personal TMS and spiritual issues. After 3 weeks ready for my 325 bike ride with wife. Biking doesn't bother knee, getting off bike does. I have surgery schedule for Sept. 12. I need to be ready for basketball season as a varsity official by Dec. 1. Thank you, and looking forward to a variety of comments |
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salamander
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Posted - 08/28/2013 : 14:57:04
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It might be helpful to know what the MRI showed. Torn ligaments usually need repair in order for the knee to work as it should. degenerated cartilage and cartilage tears are the "grey area". I've read studies where surgery is not effective for these kind of "issues". However, I imagine that large tears could get in the way of normal joint movement and cause locking. Orthopedic surgeons love to operate on this stuff. I had the back of my kneecap "debrided", and had a world of trouble after the surgery. My kneecap did not bother me prior to surgery (the only pain I had was around my medial collateral ligament. So in essence the "problem" the doctor found had nothing to do with my original pain, but "corrected" what he thought was not normal. It took me a year of hard rehab to eventually get over the surgery. Dr. Steadman up in Vail reviewed the video of the surgery and said that the doctor "did not do me any favors". That was an understatement. I'm fine now, but regret ever going under the knife.
What precipitated the pain in your knee? Did you injure it, or did it just start hurting? In short, give us a little more info on the conventional diagnosis.
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Ace1
USA
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Posted - 08/28/2013 : 18:12:03
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| You know I'm not there to asssess your situation so of course I don't have the whole picture. In my mind, if you knee is functional and the only problem is pain, then I think it is the wrong thing to have surgery. I have to say however that real tms healing is very difficult and takes a lot of practice. Just be prepared to fail at first for a while till you get the hang of it if you decide to do the tms tx |
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phillyjoe
USA
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Posted - 08/28/2013 : 19:28:18
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| I'm a 5k type runner, not fast maybe 3 times a week. Early march did a run at lunch. Nothing unusual. Next day I could not go up stairs. This was weird. Waited 3 days, pain stayed, tried to run through it, hurt like heck and for rest of month hobbled up steps, walk with limp. Went to see a knee doc (I had tron meniscus 12 years ago) he gave me shot, said it was arthritis. Well I could walk up steps but pain stayed, I could not run and really hobbled through a basketball ref camp in June. This is way different then back/anxiety issues. I just sensed this was not TMS hitting me in new spot. I got MRI doc said my choices were:1) live with pain, don't run or ref, 2)have scope but meniscus is unrepairable due to damage an my age, 3)total knee. I was able to get in and see Dr. Schubinder here in Michiga. He looked at MRI and also showed an associate. They felt there was clear physical damage, associate thought surgery would be positive. Dr. S. did not give me any definitive "Yes" "No" on the surgery. I did schedule surgery for Friday Sept 13. That's the story. Thanks |
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Ace1
USA
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Posted - 08/29/2013 : 06:00:55
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| In this nations climate of litigation I don't think dr s can give you a definitive answer. I don't blame him one bit. In my mind it seems since you did not have a specific recent injury and the problem is mainly pain, not function, that I would think surgery is the wrong choice. I bet if they MRI'd the other knee, they may find similar changes. Your probably putting too much importance in your running and performance. Remember the story of the rich man who was not willing to give up his riches and follow Jesus? Jesus said it is harder for a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven than for a camel to go through the eye of a needle. What does this mean? It means nothing should be too important to you, you should be able to give it up at a whim if you had to. Anything more is a strain an can lead to illness. |
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salamander
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Posted - 08/31/2013 : 12:46:01
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I find it odd that one run would trigger that amount of pain and disability that you have. As you have already indicated, there are tons of studies that show that surgery to "debrid" the knee of arthritis is not particularly helpful. My back and knee where the greatest hurdles that I faced and both where 100% TMS. I'm not saying that your knee problem is TMS, but it sure sounds like it could be based on what you've said. In my way of thinking one short run would not cause you to all of the sudden be talking about knee replacement.
Now, all that said, are you experiencing a lot of swelling? Do you have tender points around your knee? For me, the telling aspect of knee TMS was the tenderness that I could feel from tendons, or if I bent my knee in a certain way, I could tell that the pain was from tendons and not from bone pain. Sarno indicates that TMS pain manifests itself in muscles, tendons, and even ligaments. Assess your pain and try and pinpoint how it reveals itself.
Best of luck from whatever you decide to do. But I'm here to tell you that TMS can and does affect the knee joint. |
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altherunner
Canada
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Posted - 09/01/2013 : 21:26:58
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Hi - I have not had knee trouble, but I am an avid runner for a long time. I was supposed to have neck surgery for discs c3,c4, c5. I did not have the surgery, and do not have neck pain. You could try the tms approach, surgery is always available later, if really neccesary.
I just finished reading "Back in Control" by Dr. David Hanscom. He is
a back surgeon that does not reccomend back surgery for pain. They are not related, in most cases. This may sound strange, if you are thinking physically rather than psychologically. |
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