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stayfit65
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 Posted - 04/05/2013 : 12:27:15
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Hey Guys,
I am now to the point where I can enjoy the weekends and driving in my car with no problems, even going long distances in the car, teaching my spinning classes, lift heavy weights, jump, run and twist with no problems. But, sit me down in my chair at work and the soreness and piercing pain starts . My question is how does this conditioning finally stop? Any thought on techniques you have used to reverse the conditioning process? This pain is not excruciating now, but it's still there as more of an annoyance than anything. Any advice is appreciated. |
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eric watson
USA
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Posted - 04/05/2013 : 14:32:43
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Yes - don't think anymore when you sit that its going to hurt and here is the best time to really ignore those symptoms- ive went through the same thing lifting heavy weights working out and doing well - then as soon as I would do something the doctors or I had my mind conditioned to I would get the tms pain - or at this point a stiff soreness. and with persistence and time I rarely have any conditioning left, so hang in there your doing a great job .
Also this is a great time to tell it to just stop in a calm or confronting voice. just knowing its tms will take the conditioning on out - give it about 6 more months- everyones different and keep your head up- you've done it- your the victor |
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Dave
USA
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Posted - 04/06/2013 : 12:50:15
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Originally posted by stayfit65
...But, sit me down in my chair at work and the soreness and piercing pain starts . My question is how does this conditioning finally stop?
The fact that you recognize it is conditioning, and reinforce that belief whenever you are aware of the pain, is the most important part. Consider it a major milestone that you have reached the point where the pain is "more of an annoyance than anything." If you continue to reinforce this belief the pain will fade on its own, albeit more slowly than you may like.
I have not found any magic technique to speed up the process. Reconditioning takes time. You can laugh at the pain, and "tell your brain" that you are not falling for its tricks, and shift your focus towards things going on in your life that might be affecting you on a deeper level than you realize. |
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Ace1
USA
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Posted - 04/06/2013 : 15:02:24
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| See this is why I don't understand the claims that zero pain now cures people so quickly. I don't see how it overcomes conditioning. |
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chickenbone
Panama
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Posted - 04/06/2013 : 19:49:23
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| I agree with you, Ace. I think that stuff like Zero Pain (in addition to something else on the net that makes ridiculous claims) is just gimmick and there are always those promoters who will take advantage of those people with problems. I think true, lasting healing takes time. A lot of people are jumping from one modality to another and spending a lot of money needlessly. Like you said, healing requires a lot of patience. |
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alix
USA
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Posted - 04/06/2013 : 23:10:33
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| Ace and chickenbone, I can't agree more. Consistence and patience are key. |
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stayfit65
54 Posts |
Posted - 04/07/2013 : 12:44:49
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| Thank you for all the reassurance. I will stay the course, not rushing to try to heal quickly...I am sure this would be an exercise in futility. I just traveled 360 miles to Florida yesterday with no pain...just proves the point that it is all about my conditioned response, not a true physical condition. it is conforting to know that sometimes it does take a while...I am definitely NOT the same person iwas a year ago...have become MUCH more accepting of myself and others, realizing that what appears to be true on the outside of others is not necessarily a reflection of what is really on the inside, that everybody has problems and there really is no standard that I have to measure up to, just be myself and accept me! |
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balto
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Posted - 04/08/2013 : 09:04:48
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Originally posted by Ace1
See this is why I don't understand the claims that zero pain now cures people so quickly. I don't see how it overcomes conditioning.
I don't see it happened often neither, but I did see it happened. I've seen people being cured using withcraft, voodoos, praying, accupuncture, meditation, yoga, Amazon Shaman, laugh therapy, EFT, EMDR, conventional.... you name it.
I kind of concluded that to heal from mindbody illnesses it required:
1 - a high level of trust of the health care provider or healer.
2 - a strong belief that the treatment (whatever it is) will work.
3 - a strong belief that one will get better/healed.
Once you got those three things going, the body will do the rest to help you heal. Your body will automaticly calm down and relax. The peace and relax and confidence you've taught people to gain by using your method will be achieved.
This explained why Mary Eddy Baker (Christian Science) healed from her severe back pain.
This explain how many got the "book cure".
And maybe this explained how people cured their symptoms with "Zero Pain Now". Adam maybe just is very very good with helping people obtain those 3 beliefs I've listed above.
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No, I don't know everything. I'm just here to share my experience. |
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pspa123
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Posted - 04/08/2013 : 09:11:46
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| Balto, yes. The placebo effect can be extreemely powerful. Belief matters much more in some cases than the actual effect of the therapy itself. I have never had such an experience but I have no doubt many do. |
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pspa123
672 Posts |
Posted - 04/08/2013 : 09:15:07
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| Parents understand the placebo effect instinctively. Thats why we kiss a boo boo to make it better. It is about the childs belief |
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balto
839 Posts |
Posted - 04/08/2013 : 09:38:29
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I know what you're saying pspa, but I just hate the word placebo. Placebo somehow convey a negative feeling about a treatment. Some people associated it with a treatment failure.
For lack of a better word, I rather use "healing due to power of belief" instead of placebo.
In the East, "healing by the power of belief" is real healing. Healer all tried to gain trust and raise patients' confidence and belief to obtain a cure, a real long lasting cure.
Every time I went back to visit relatives and friend in asia, the most valueable gift everyone want is made in USA Tylenol. Because they believed it will cures everything, and it does cured just about every illness they had. :)
You said you never experience "placebo". I'm suspecting that you are a very doubtful kind of person. You just doubted everything and it is very hard for you to trust anyone, including yourself. Sometime it help to know less and/or to just take a chance. When it come to tms/anxiety, too intelligent or too highly educated is not a good thing.
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pspa123
672 Posts |
Posted - 04/08/2013 : 09:46:22
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| Balto I don't have negative associations with the word but we are on the same page and the way you phrase it is more elegant anyhow. And yes, you are right, I am not very trusting, but I got that way honestly. |
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GTfan
USA
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Posted - 04/08/2013 : 09:50:39
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| What is conditioning? I'm trying to get back on my excercise program, but as I posted in the other thread I had setback when I tried to intense of a workout and experienced a lot of pain. I guess I'm just going to have to make it a gradual process before I get back to the intensity I want. |
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gailnyc
USA
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Posted - 04/08/2013 : 19:15:52
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Originally posted by GTfan
What is conditioning? I'm trying to get back on my excercise program, but as I posted in the other thread I had setback when I tried to intense of a workout and experienced a lot of pain. I guess I'm just going to have to make it a gradual process before I get back to the intensity I want.
GTFan, I too had a very severe setback back in December when I tried to "ignore" the pain and just "resume normal activities." I was okay for about a week and then my pain returned, in a way even worse than before. It set me back about two months in terms of pain recovery.
I read SteveO's book and other people success stories about pushing through the pain and it makes me very sad that I am not able to accomplish that kind of recovery. I have been increasing my activity but very very slowly and gradually, and my pain has gotten better, but also very very slowly and gradually. Sometimes I wonder if I will ever truly recover but I read about people on this forum who took a long time to recover and that gives me hope.
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