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forestfortrees
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 Posted - 02/08/2013 : 22:31:13
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Hi all,
My life has just been super hectic recently so I haven't been able to post on TMSHelp for a while, but I'm hoping to get back in on the action soon. In the meantime, I am back tonight because there is a new book by two of Dr. Sarno's most trusted psychologists and a call-in book group starting up that I thought the TMSHelp community might want to know about. The book is called Pathways to Pain Relief and was written by Frances Sommer-Anderson, Ph.D., SEP, and Eric Sherman, Psy.D., two psychologists who were trained by Dr. Sarno and who, between them, have about 60 years of experience treating his patients. If you've always wished that you could have the opportunity to be seen by one of the psychoanalysts that Dr. Sarno refers to, this is about as close as you may be able to get to it without actually traveling to NYC.
The book strikes me as important because it is the first book written by two of Dr. Sarno's closest psychologists to go into detail about how the PPD personality develops. In the preface, Dr. Sarno writes, "The authors of this book have had years of experience working with TMS and bring to their interaction with the patient not only their knowledge of TMS but great sensitivity and insight into the mysterious ways of the human unconscious. They have been of crucial importance in the lives of many of our patients. The case histories in this book are illustrative of their successful management of people with severe TMS." (January 2010)
One person wrote the following to me about the book:
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I just finished reading the book and it was a moving read. Eric Sherman and Frances Sommer Anderson serve as our Virgil in the exploration of the TMS personality and psyche. The depth of their explanation of perfectionism, goodism, and anger are thorough and informative. Great description of the psychological underpinnings of TMS.
Reader beware, you will be uncomfortable during some portions of this book, especially if you are not ready to face some of the insights the authors have. This book is like holding a mirror up to your soul.
Forest, just wait until you get to Dr. Anderson’s chapters. I felt like I was sitting in the room with her and her patient during their session. Some parts were pretty intense. I have to say though, that all of the patients in these case stories are very courageous. Thank you both to Drs. Anderson and Sherman, as well as their patients for sharing these moving accounts.
I'll spare you the wall of text you'd have if I pasted my own review in, but if you're interested you can read it (it includes some of my own success story) on Amazon:
http://www.amazon.com/review/R2OFRX76KBX0VC/ref=cm_cr_dp_title?ie=UTF8&ASIN=B00B4DFATS&channel=detail-glance&nodeID=133140011&store=digital-text
(please like it if you find it helpful... I put a lot of effort into it)
The book is currently only available as a Kindle ebook ($12). It can be read within minutes of purchase on your PC, mac, phone or tablet or even over the internet. When the book was first announced, I signed up to be announced when it was published, and I'll paste in the official details at the end. It has information about how to purchase.
As you can probably tell, I'm pretty excited about the book, so I thought I'd organize a call-in book group for it. Our organizational meeting will be later on today (Saturday) at 2:00 EST (Eastern Sarno Time). While a couple people may have purchased the book already, I bet that most people will still be deciding, so I will talk for a little while about the book and what I found helpful in it. Then we'll decide how far we all want to read for the following week, discuss one or two other organizational questions and will open it up to general discussion about TMS. Anyone is welcome to call in whether they have read the book or not and whether they want to talk or not. Identifying yourself by your screen name is encouraged. All are welcome. For those of you who can't join the book group, we want you to be able to listen in, so we will be recording portions of the calls.
You can connect to the call either via your phone or over the internet. To connect via phone, just dial 646-583-7415 at 1:55 EST and enter the pin code 21558901 when prompted. To connect over the internet, watch this video (that's me! cute, eh?). The video has important instructions, so please do not skip it and please try to connect starting at 1:45, because things are sure to get hectic later. To follow the instructions, you will need this link. If it asks for a meeting number, the number is 18311499. If you have any difficulty connecting, feel free to email me at ForestForTreesWeb@gmail.com . I will be checking that account all morning, so should be able to get back to you quickly. I'll also check this thread.
I hope you will consider dropping by and listening in to our first meeting, but, if not, I hope you get the book anyway. It's a terrific book and definitely worth the read.
Forest
My Video Success Story
www.thankyoudrsarno.org
Here's the official announcement I mentioned above:
Pathways to Pain Relief
An ebook* by authors Frances Sommer Anderson and Eric Sherman with Foreword by John E. Sarno, MD, is now available on Amazon http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00B4DFATS
Based upon the pioneering work of John E. Sarno, MD, retired Professor of Rehabilitation Medicine, New York University School of Medicine, Pathways to Pain Relief embraces the position that musculoskeletal pain and other psychophysiologic disorders can originate from psychological experiences as a means to protect an individual from unbearable emotional distress. This book details how treatment has worked from both the patient’s and the therapist’s perspectives. For more information on Dr. Frances Sommer Anderson and Dr. Eric Sherman, please visithttp://pathwaystopainrelief.com
*Don’t own a Kindle Reader? No problem: Now you can read Pathways to Pain Relief on your Mac/Windows PC, iPad, iPhone, Android device, Blackberry, and more! Just download the FREE Kindle Reading App for your device available from Amazon: Kindle Reading App |
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2scoops
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Posted - 02/08/2013 : 23:05:47
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forestfortrees
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Posted - 02/08/2013 : 23:26:25
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No, unfortunately, no plans have been announced at this point to do a paperback version (this could change, but the authors are keeping their lips tightly sealed). Of course, while I might prefer a paperback, reading it online really isn't so bad, especially for a short book like this (it's only around 150 pages).
In fact, I made a video for you to show just how simple it is to read it online or on your PC. Here's the link:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lkmeVW9NmJU
Sorry, for the delay in posting this, by the way. I meant to post it earlier in the week, but you absolutely wouldn't believe the amount of work that goes into organizing something like this. Our community is super tiny, so you have to do a huge amount of work to get people to come out.
Forest
My Video Success Story
www.thankyoudrsarno.org
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Edited by - forestfortrees on 02/08/2013 23:32:15 |
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shawnsmith
Czech Republic
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Posted - 02/09/2013 : 05:50:58
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| I simply refuse to read a book online. Give me a real book or don't give me anything at all. In this sense I am a true Luddite. I don't own a cell phone, e-reader or TV. I also wish I could get rid of my phone but wife says no way. I am not even on the internet that much other than this website and the occasional movie. |
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All1Spirit
USA
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Posted - 02/09/2013 : 07:23:33
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Hands clapping for Shawn. My wife kindles and I would stop reading if I could not mark up a book with notes, turned corners and underlines.
I want a real book!!!
Around and Around the Circle We Go....
The Answer Sits In The Middle and Knows... |
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forestfortrees
393 Posts |
Posted - 02/09/2013 : 08:38:40
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Originally posted by All1Spirit
I want a real book!!!
Yeah, me, too...  Using the kindle may bug me less because love technology and I often read Kindle books. But to each their own.
I thought I'd share a couple of quotes from the book that I thought were interesting. The first is by Dr. Sarno, from the Foreward. He writes, "Experience has taught us that trying to express this unconscious rage is fruitless, though patients invariably ask how to do it."
I have to admit that this quote caught me off guard, because, given that TMS is caused by unexpressed rage, it makes sense to express that rage. I think that the point may be, though, that the rage is unconscious for a reason and that it is simply too hard (or too overwhelming) to access it and discharge it. Hence, trying to do so is fruitless. I'm not at all sure, though and am planning to ask during the teleconference today. Do you think I got it wrong?
Another very helpful quote from the first couple of pages that I plan on sharing this afternoon is a tip from Dr. Anderson. Later in the book, she talks a lot about alexithymia (SteveO has a great section on alex called "I'll Take Repression for $200, Alex." It's one of my personal favorites because, like Steve, I think that I may have suffered secondary alexithymia). One technique she suggests for overcoming alexithymia is taking a "feeling inventory" several times (or more) each day. She suggests asking yourself, "What am I feeling about the events that happened during the past hour?" and suggests that, at the beginning of therapy, some people need to take this inventory once every hour. I've tried doing this in the past and found it tremendously helpful to try to put words to feelings. Has anyone else given it a try?
My Video Success Story
www.thankyoudrsarno.org
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shawnsmith
Czech Republic
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Posted - 02/09/2013 : 08:51:57
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| Trying to express this unconscious rage is fruitless because there is no such thing as unconscious rage. |
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forestfortrees
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Posted - 02/09/2013 : 08:57:27
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Originally posted by shawnsmith
Trying to express this unconscious rage is fruitless because there is no such thing as unconscious rage.
Whoah. It looks like a lot has happened since I've been less active on the board. Do I have some reading to do? What do you mean? Did I miss something? |
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Ace1
USA
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Posted - 02/09/2013 : 09:00:34
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| I recommend everyone read the free portion of the book on amazon to see if you like it. It sounds like a good book. I have to stand by shawn on this one though. I personally don't think it has anything to do with unconscious rage. |
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forestfortrees
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Posted - 02/09/2013 : 09:35:06
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Wait, I'm confused, though. Is this a rejection of Dr. Sarno's concept of a "reservoir of rage?" If it is, I have to admit, the idea kindof blows up my brain.
Say it aint so, Joe.... |
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Ace1
USA
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Posted - 02/09/2013 : 09:50:57
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| I think it more that one learns to habitually strain and the mind becomes more revved up from the illness itself among other things. Look at my keys to healing list to see on this board to see what I think. It can't be unconscious rage otherwise infants and animals would never get tms symptoms (ie eczema etc) |
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shawnsmith
Czech Republic
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Posted - 02/09/2013 : 09:57:17
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Originally posted by forestfortrees
Wait, I'm confused, though. Is this a rejection of Dr. Sarno's concept of a "reservoir of rage?" If it is, I have to admit, the idea kindof blows up my brain.
Say it aint so, Joe....
Stop, for a moment, and think about this concept of an "unconscious reservoir of rage." What is the proof that such a thing even exists? The logic is that if you are aware of an emotion then it is not unconscious. If you can't feel it, on the other hand, it is unconscious and buried somewhere deep inside of you. In other words, only its invisibility proves its existence. Well, that does not make a bit of sense to me at all. Perhaps I am not that smart, but I am not that gullible either. |
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forestfortrees
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Posted - 02/09/2013 : 11:20:50
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Very interesting ideas and something that I'd like to put some real thought into processing. I've been working on promoting and preparing for the discussion group all this morning and now we are really getting down to crunch time, so I'll have to respond either later today or tomorrow.
Perhaps we could discuss it in the discussion group, though. It's pretty easy to dial in. Just dial 646-583-7415 at 1:55 EST and enter the pin code 21558901 when prompted. (See my original post for how to connect via computer.) Whether you want to talk about rage, the book, or anything else TMS, I hope to see(hear) you there. |
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2scoops
USA
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Posted - 02/10/2013 : 17:12:11
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| I'd like to read the book. Maybe eventually I will get a Kindle and read it. Like the others, I would prefer a physical book to read. If the book was available on paperback, I would have all ready ordered it. |
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chickenbone
Panama
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Posted - 02/10/2013 : 19:44:07
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Shawn, i am afraid I have to disagree with your reasoning. (Note: I disagree with the reasoning, I am not attacking your disbelief in the unconscious)
If you study physics and cosmology, we know about the existence of dark matter and dark energy, not because of their visibility, we cannot detect them, but we can detect their EFFECT on our universe. Otherwise, we could not explain that the universe is expanding or that the matter we can see in the universe is only about 5% of the matter that actually must exist in order for our universe to be what it is. Mathematics tells us a lot of this. So the invisibility of dark matter and dark energy is not it's proof, it's EFFECT on what we can detect, is. |
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tennis tom
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eric watson
USA
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Posted - 02/11/2013 : 08:22:04
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i gotta jump in here guys-
shawn and ace you guys are good friends
but here we have to agree to disagree
the subconscious is there
and to say its not is like saying
i cant see germs so they must not be there
now i know that sounds like a direct hit-
but guys to get on a pshycological healing board and say theres no
subconcious-how far does it go before we just get rid of sarnos theory all-together.
really think -really think
i dont want to argue-i like aces keys and i like shawn .but this isnt the way guys.your theory ace has sense to it
but sarnos theory didnt make a bit of sense at first-thats why i was missing my healing- and thats how i healed-he talked to my subconscious mind.i healed by sarnos theory and steve ozanichs book
i do a lot of maintience with what you have in your keys ace.
now i study alot different styles and what used to not make sense-now does-
but i had to get to those repressed emotions-we repress emotions every second of the day not even thinking about it.
where do all those memories go-to the subconscious
now im going to agree to disagree again
sarnos theorys are the driving force behind tms healing
i know we have habits but without the subconscious what would make our heart beat-like tom said ,why would we dream,how would
the cuts i dont see on my skin heal
how come when i hit those negative repressions enough i heal
to say theres no subconscious - hum, sarno
he is about the sub-conscious mind.
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shawnsmith
Czech Republic
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Posted - 02/11/2013 : 08:54:49
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So what am I supposed to do? I cannot suspend belief and embrace something that is not believable. I simply cannot do it. I do not have any repressed emotions, they are all out in the open.
I am filled with much despair these days and fear for my life which I no longer value that much to begin with. |
Edited by - shawnsmith on 02/11/2013 08:59:44 |
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plum
United Kingdom
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Posted - 02/11/2013 : 09:35:31
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Shawn, my love, why the **** do you do this to yourself?
If we lived closer I'd take you to a good old English country pub and we'd drink wine and talk.
Have you or has anyone here read or listened to anything by Candace Pert? |
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plum
United Kingdom
641 Posts |
Posted - 02/11/2013 : 09:42:20
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Maybe you're holding the *good* emotions in?
Joy. Pleasure. Bliss. |
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eric watson
USA
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Posted - 02/11/2013 : 09:45:07
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you do value your life-its just those negative thoughts-
youve worked so hard and here you still are-in pain-
there is a way shawn and you will get there
if your direction is different than sarnos theory then im sure some fall in that catagory.
but see shawn,we cant dis-miss the sub-conscious because a theory didnt work...
you have that cure waiting-your close,so close
and i know ace is working together with you because he cares and has a heart as big as texas.
we talked and i had a great time getting to know you shawn
your a good person just wanting to know whats the cure
and when you reach it-share it with the multitudes.....
your a giant in wisdom shawn-
you will get to that time that you look back and say so thats what i missed-
thats what we all do-but your more like me
i studied it all shawn and then just gave up
really shawn -thats when the pain elevated in me to the extreme
i know you havent given up-and youve been here longer than most all of us.
the reason its taking longer is your missing those 1 or 2 concepts that will bring it all together
if we want to heal-the answer is there-we just have to stay patient and keep searching-listening-applying
but we cant deny how powerful sarnos works have been for others including myself-
all the awareness and acceptance and maintience work that ace has put together is great when mixed with sarno or by itself
but if aces keys help like sarnos without looking at the repressions is yet to be seen -i mean i know this is how ace healed-
but we cant bring everyone together and say this is the only way.
we have to take those truths of sarno ,and sarnos truths land right in the sub-conscious mind-
i know how to change pain by nlp-eft-laying on of hands-giving a ear
helping with love and so much more but id never say theres no subconscious
its to ignore the repressions then-
now maybe im reading this wrong shawn-
i really like ace and you alot
but ive helped at least a thousand people heal by talking directly to their subconscious, and back when i didnt even know i was doing it.
see if you can imagine and visualize then theres your subconscious
i know sarno meant folks didnt realize what there subconscious was doing because they hadnt studied to learn there subconscious yet-
but as of right now our sudconscious minds are picking up information we wont even think about till the appointed time
when we learn what our subconscious is we can call out all kinds of problems-loves and dissapointments
and yes without hypnosis there will be somethings we will never remember
we have to know that hitting at the legs of the repressions is enough to lesson the pain and in time heal
we have to have a personality change as aces keys show to maintain
our sanity after we heal-and i know aces keys can lead to a cure
but how can we discredit sarnos legacy
shawn your a brilliant person and your approch to get rid of this nagging pain is going to be revealed to you and when it happens your going to be jumping for glory-im your friend shawn and ace is brilliant.
again did i miss something.
i read your post about how you didnt think there was a subconscious
and if thats your opinion we agree to disagree and no problem right.
but we cant tell the new guys that are already confused that the subconscious doent exist -they will only fall further away from wanting to deal with their repressions and thats the core of all tms healing
again did i miss something?
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New book by two of Dr. Sarno's psychologists
