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shawnsmith
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 Posted - 02/20/2013 : 05:26:50
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Originally posted by Bugbear
I think the confusion I speak about arises from information overload, some of it conflicting but some of it incredibly compelling. I am in a rush, I guess, to take it all in. This causes me to strain.
Yes Bugbear, you got it, and is a major pitfall many people fall into. Don't overload yourself with too much information as you will indeed become confused. You will tell yourself that unless you understand and take in all of this data you will not recover. Placing that kind of pressure on yourself will lead to discouragement because most people will not be able to comprehend all of this data and new emerging research. That is fine for academics, but not for the well-being of the patient. Keep it simple. Read Ace's keys every single day and do your best to bring them into practice.
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alix
USA
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Posted - 02/20/2013 : 10:04:56
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Plum, it is not bickering at all! I have a fundamental disagreement so I express it. If we all agree all the time then how can we evolve our collective understanding?
I have done what is recommended in Ace's keys for years. I have done several mindfulness retreats and I meditate daily. That was not enough for me.
I needed to go back to those *gasp* "repressed memories" to heal. So, yes I am a little bit puzzled, probably like Forrest that came here to discuss a book, to see that Sarno's unconscious mind has become an object of ridicule. |
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plum
United Kingdom
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Posted - 02/20/2013 : 10:30:15
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| Hi Alix, thanks for the opportunity to clarify. I'm not refering to the discussions, they are important. It's the whole either/or polarisation and its tendency to devolve. It's much healthier to embrace a 'yes, and' perspective. So for me it's Sarno and Weekes and Ace. I see them as complements. The unconscious mind and sensitised nerves and mindfulness...there's a place for all. Sorry if you mistakenly thought I was getting at you, I'm most definitely not. |
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shawnsmith
Czech Republic
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Posted - 02/20/2013 : 10:33:34
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| Sarno's unconscious mind? No, he got that from Freud. And the concept has been subject to ridicule long before this message board. But, as I have continually stated, if the concept works for you then use it.When I say I don't agree with a concept or idea that does not mean that I am 100% right and others are wrong. I am just like everyone else on this planet have opinions. Sometimes they are correct and many times they are not. Don't let other people's opposing opinions sway your faith. |
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alix
USA
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Posted - 02/20/2013 : 11:04:31
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| Shawn, don't take things so personally. Who cares if Sarno's model (based on Freud as you rightly pointed out) is not exact. It is an approximation. I get that. Dr.Schubiner has a more complex model but the unconscious mind is still 100% part of it. It is also my experience and conviction. |
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shawnsmith
Czech Republic
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Posted - 02/20/2013 : 11:43:59
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Originally posted by alix
Shawn, don't take things so personally.
The best advice anyone has ever given me. I am working on it. Pray for Mojo...... |
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alix
USA
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Posted - 02/20/2013 : 12:02:22
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Cheers Shawn! You'l get there. See we did the opposite.
You did the repressed stuff and went nowhere. Now you are doing Ace's keys and it is helping.
I did the opposite. I started with strain and mindfulness. It helped but I was not healing. For me the in depth stuff was missing.
Nicole got it right: address the day to day stuff, personality, and childhood memories. |
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shawnsmith
Czech Republic
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Posted - 02/20/2013 : 12:47:09
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I think that because the human mindbody is so complex there are numerous ways to arrive at healing, just like there are numerous faith / spiritual traditions in existence which have helped, as well as harmed, humanity throughout the course of its history. Choose one and follow it and if it works for you then that is simply wonderful. The problem is, as I see it, people become dogmatic about some point of view and proclaim that unless we follow their way then we are doomed. Religious leaders and health professionals are both guilty of this narrow minded way of thinking. Yes, we undermine our own efforts at times and get out of balance and focus, but suffering pulls us back into reality. Suffering is the greatest teacher of all.
Not everyone, however, can arrive at this reality with acceptance and, as a result, go through life carrying a lot of emotional and physical pain. |
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Ace of the Day - Day 1...
