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tennis tom
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 Posted - 01/17/2013 : 22:43:38
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Nicole, if you're still reading, you haven't been singled out for this rude treatment. The same thing happened to Steve Ozanich by Bryann. SteveO also spent his own money to publish his book to help people and if you read some of his posts here he returned and contributed greatly. I don't know what Bryann's hang up is but you as a professional may be able to help him figure it out. Come back and take him on mano to mano and slug it out with him, it'll probably do him a lot of good. Nicole please come back and show us your TMS stuff, just for a little while.
Most people at message boards don't post, and I'll tell you what, if you lurkers don't come out on this one and show some support for this wonderful lady, I'm outta' here too. It'll save me countless hours that I will devote to my own selfish pursuits, ridding myself of my last vestiges of debilitating GOODISM.
Thanks bryann, I hope you win this match, you'll give me back a lot of my time that I can use for practicing to return your powerful serve. |
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tennis tom
USA
4749 Posts |
Posted - 01/17/2013 : 22:47:09
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bryan3000
USA
513 Posts |
Posted - 01/17/2013 : 22:51:27
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Tom,
The forum rules are right here if you missed them in my last post...
http://www.tmshelp.com/policy.htm
From what I can read, Nicole, Steve and anyone else is free to post here like the rest of us.
Meanwhile, there are dozens of other threads of real people helping each other on the front page. I'm going to go read some.
Adios. |
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tennis tom
USA
4749 Posts |
Posted - 01/17/2013 : 23:17:59
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| I've never read the rules here and I never will--rules were made to be broken. bryann, quit being such a "good german". There's a lot of rules being broken these days, go outside your door and take a look. If Dave doesn't like what I'm saying he can come out and say it to me and I'll respect that. Who appointed you sergeant at arms here? Did Dave call on you to be his surrogate? Quit hiding behind his coattails and some boiler plate written by some long forgotten web designer. |
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bryan3000
USA
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Posted - 01/17/2013 : 23:43:59
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German? Wow, crossing more lines here, aren't we Tom?
It's fine that you didn't read the rules, and that's fairly obvious.
Who appointed me? Absolutely no one. I'm voicing my free opinion as a member of this forum. You on the other hand are telling the rest of us that we do NOT have the right to give opinion on our forum.
Quit hiding?
Not hiding, Tom. In fact I said very clearly what I thought which is why you're so up in arms. You don't do very well with that, apparently.
Dave didn't call on me or anyone else here who has voiced concern about this salesperson. (You may notice there are many more than just me with questions.)
Again, you have an opinion, Tom... and the rest of us have ours.
You can continue to attack me personally, but it won't change people's opinion of the matter... nor will it change the forum rules, is my guess.
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tennis tom
USA
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Posted - 01/18/2013 : 00:02:47
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Bryann, you are PROJECTING. A small handful, lead by you, robbing the majority of a great healing opportunity. It's not too late for you to become a lawyer, there's still a lot of asbestos cases out there.
Apparently you missed out on WWII, here's what is meant by being a "good german":
"A citizen of Nazi Germany who participated in or overlooked atrocities while denying personal moral responsibility by appeal to his submission to supposedly legitimate authority."
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mala
Hong Kong
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Posted - 01/18/2013 : 00:13:14
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chicken bone
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Excuse me, Mala, but nobody is saying NOT to purchase her book if they wish to and no one is kicking her off the forum. Her credentials simply didn't check out and the people here are smart enough to know that. I don't see the problem here. Frankly, I find this whole thing rather entertaining.
I didn't say anything about buying or not buying. I just wanted to hear what else she had to say. Also you imply that I am among those who weren't 'smart enough' to see that her credentials didn't check out. Thank you for that.
Alix & bryan3000 I do feel that many came down on Nicole quite hard right at the very beginning. I would have liked to have made up my own mind about what I thought of her had I been given the chance. Whether she would have been a useful contributor or not, whatever her agenda really was, we'll never know now.
Bright & insightful people who have posted here regularly, who have contributed much to this forum should be allowed to make up their own minds. We are not as stupid as we have been made to feel.
Mala
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bryan3000
USA
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Posted - 01/18/2013 : 00:33:40
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Ok Tom, so now you've compared Nicole to Jesus, the owner of this forum to Hitler...
anything else?
Keep personally attacking Tom. True colors showing bright and clear. |
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tennis tom
USA
4749 Posts |
Posted - 01/18/2013 : 01:12:25
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I NEVER compared "the owner of this forum to hitler"--you are now making thing up whole cloth, I said YOU were being a "good german" due to your: "denying personal moral responsibility by appeal to (your) submission to supposedly legitimate authority."
Now tell me about my "true colors", one thing I've never been accused of here is hiding my TRUE COLORS. What's your agenda bryann, besides upholding some long gone web-designer's boiler plate--maybe that's what you do for a living? That seems to be your agenda. I'm here to discuss and learn about TMS. You're the one stopping the free flow of TMS KNOWLEDGE PENICILLIN by insulting and driving off experts like SteveO and now Nicole by dredging up some archaic fine print rules that no one but you knows or cares about.
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bryan3000
USA
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Posted - 01/18/2013 : 01:25:04
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Just stated my opinion Tom, as have others. The bully routine is growing tiresome, mate. I won't be run off of here like you've done with others who disagreed with your vision for this forum.
I'll respect the rules in place and speak my opinions on whatever I choose.
You can continue to flail about, insulting people personally and talk about Jesus and the Nazis.
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Aussie
Australia
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Posted - 01/18/2013 : 02:09:44
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| I tend to agree with Mala.. Maybe this lady had something extra to contribute to the Tms world......And then again Maybe she wanted to make bank.. It seems like we are not gonna find out now. What is sad here is this has become the hottest post for a long time..... We need these hot posts about healing not arguing. I must admit the bickering is quite funny though.... |
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Birdie78
Germany
145 Posts |
Posted - 01/18/2013 : 03:08:28
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Hi everyone,
I find it to be regrettable to judge on a base without facts and only speculations!
Why not reading her book or waiting what she has to say before startin wild speculations about some amazon reviews?
I guess it's just like she said: her book was reviewd by some of her clients. Perhaps these clients created an accout in order to write the review, so what? If I wrote a book and clients or friends of mine found it to be great I appreciated them writing a review for my book, too! That's nothing condemnable.
And IN FACT she is mentionning Sarno in her book. Not in the first pages.
But I see, there're two parties and no agreement in sight.
It's wasted energy to continue this discussion I think. The damage is already done. We're always talking in this forum about acceptance ad kindness. Where's it now?
And, by the way, what's the meaning of "good German"?
Kind regards from Germany sends Birdie |
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plum
United Kingdom
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Posted - 01/18/2013 : 04:40:47
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Gentle souls,
This is an imperfect world.
We are all different but we all come to this precious oasis because we hurt, or because we have healed and are of compassionate heart and wish to help others still walking the road back to their centre. This endeavour is poignant enough.
Sometimes, oftentimes we lose the plot, lose our minds and God alone knows, I am battle-weary and ragged and oh-so-loosely tethered to hope that I could sink once and for all on this road to Hell and back, and yet I am still standing, still listening, still and ever-watchful of the smallest light that shines like gold.
For someone out there (maybe you, maybe me), Nicole's book is that light.
For someone else it is Fool's gold.
Take what you need, leave what you don't.
To each his own.
But let each make that choice.
Nicole, do not lose heart. Each book is a gift that may contain the key to healing one soul. That is enough. Bless you for that.
This comes with love and respect for all, for this is the work and we are all in it together. |
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Birdie78
Germany
145 Posts |
Posted - 01/18/2013 : 05:12:27
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Well said, plum! I agree to 100%!
Kind regards from Germany sends Birdie |
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pspa123
672 Posts |
Posted - 01/18/2013 : 06:06:03
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Each of us has his or her own perspective, and we should be respectful of that. My own, probably informed by being a lawyer (no asbestos cases though) as Susan's is informed by being an investigator, is that the book reviews raised some red flags and that Nicole's explanation was not entirely persuasive.
But more importantly, if Nicole truly cares about us ("You are my people") and is so certain she can change our lives, as she professes, then she is free to share her insights and I hope she will. Nothing I read suggests to me anyone was trying to run her off the forum, and if she cares as much as she says, she shouldn't be deterred by a few legitimate questions or even a little "negative energy."
I also agree with whoever said that the tactic of labelling someone who has the temerity to question you as angry and resistant is pretty lame, especially coming from a therapist. I hope if Nicole stays/returns/whatever she won't adopt that attitude. In my view, anyone espousing ideas, and especially anyone doing so with the imprimatur of professional experience, should be prepared to defend those ideas on the merits without resorting to ad hominem attacks on the questioner.
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chickenbone
Panama
398 Posts |
Posted - 01/18/2013 : 09:02:06
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Mala, I did not attack you in any way. That is purely your imagination. I am very sorry you took it that way.
TT, when I first met you, I really thought you were great. But now I see a different side that I don't like so much. If you are going to disagree, you are welcome to do that, but don't expect all of us to have the same opinion that you have. At least express your disagreement through the use of your intellect and not through launching personal attacks on other members of this forum. And spare us the theatrics of threatening to leave the forum if you don't get what you want.
We all need to remember that all of us are human beings with feelings. Would we be talking like this to each other face to face? When we are angry (and TMS'ers are often angry) we tend to depersonalize and not regard the other person as another human being. I have anger and I enjoy a lively argument once in a while, but this has gone too far when vicious personal attacks are being thrown around. |
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bryan3000
USA
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Posted - 01/18/2013 : 09:39:48
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Mala,
I respect your opinion and just have a thought or two...
Your notion that "we'll never know" if she had an agenda is definitely one many around here would question. Many of us seem to already believe she did have one, and there has been quite a bit of evidence put forth to confirm that. Not the least of which would be the hard-sell approach, book and website links, and a wealth of information about her and her product as opposed to just assimilating with us like a normal person.
She has not been told to leave. She deemed this place "toxic," just days after telling us that we were her people. If we were her people, and there was indeed negative energy... she should certanily be sticking around to help us heal, as Pspa pointed out.
I think the feeling of many here is that she may not have been completely up front with her intentinos, and if you are going to come into an existing forum... post ads for your product and announce that "I can help".... you are likely going to be the subject of more scrutiny than a normal poster who mingles as an equal. As others have pointed out, we have a host of practicing medical professionals here who post regularly, mix with the group and aren't seemingly on a proudct push.
We all deserve a say. I resect your opinion on that matter and hopefully you can understand the position of those of us who feel differently about it... and want to keep the forum organic and mutually respectful. At a time like this, it would seem to me to be easiest to just reference the rules of the forum, which clearly state what the intent is to be here. We also have seem a recent example where the forum moderator acted to have another recent proudct push toned down. So, we know what the parameters are.
We can agree to disagree, but I think respecting the boundaries of the forum is the simplest way to move forward.
Thanks for the civil replies.
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maccafan
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Posted - 01/18/2013 : 11:49:40
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I just had time to return to the forum and check out the follow ups to this thread. WOW - what a mess! I can't believe that because one person came on a forum and announced that she had written a book and wanted to share it with us that all this stuff has resulted from it. She seemed happy and proud of what she had done and genuinely seemed to want to just help some people with it. She said that she has a full time job and is raising 5 kids and is real busy but she wanted to get this news to us. I got the impression that she WOULD be contributing to the forum in the future.
With her first post my eyebrows did raise a bit but that's all because overall and after looking at her website I got a good feeling about her and I wanted to give her a chance. But then she was jumped on so severely that I was shocked. I can understand that some people may not have wanted to give her a chance but to be so rude about it was uncalled for. It was like some posters felt threatened about something and not just miffed. I remember that a while back some idiot and obvious scammer had made a couple of different posts paying compliments to the poster and then giving some salespitch about something that had absolutely nothing to do with psychology of any kind. This happens at all forums and is a plain out scammer trying to sneak in. Nicole's posts weren't like this at all. She even came back and tried to explain several times what she meant and was trying to do. A real scammer would not have done this. Some people may not have approved of her presentation but that does not excuse their behavior in how they handled it.
Bryan, to me it sounds like you have something personal against tennis tom and have had for a long time. Nicole is an innocent bystander. And you seem to need a feeling of back up from others on the forum. You've said many times how others feel the same way as you. I don't feel the same way as you so don't count me in your court. Why don't you just go toe to toe with tt and forget about the rest of us. He can handle it. And to my knowledge tt has never said that anyone on this board does not have a right to their opinion. This is my opinion and I have a right to it. It would be a definite shame and loss if tt does leave because he gives good and to the point pure Sarno TMS advice with no fluff. And his wit keeps this place fresh and on its toes. It is also my opinion that tt has not done a damn thing wrong concerning his desire to welcome this person to the board.
I also saw potential in what Nicole had to offer. Each offer of a book, journal, paper or article brought to our attention by any author that has to do with anything that could possibly help us in our journeys to be free of pain and discomfort should be taken on an individual basis. Also they should be given every chance first to prove themselves before being pounced upon with negativity because we could be missing out on the very thing could be the answer for one or more of us.
I hate to think what a newcomer would think of this forum if they happened to read this topic first!
I'm for giving peace a chance.
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NicoleSachsLCSW
USA
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Posted - 01/18/2013 : 12:12:50
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I can't help but keep saying thank you. I am honest, legit and really happy to be helping here. Thank you for welcoming me.
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Originally posted by maccafan
I just had time to return to the forum and check out the follow ups to this thread. WOW - what a mess! I can't believe that because one person came on a forum and announced that she had written a book and wanted to share it with us that all this stuff has resulted from it. She seemed happy and proud of what she had done and genuinely seemed to want to just help some people with it. She said that she has a full time job and is raising 5 kids and is real busy but she wanted to get this news to us. I got the impression that she WOULD be contributing to the forum in the future.
With her first post my eyebrows did raise a bit but that's all because overall and after looking at her website I got a good feeling about her and I wanted to give her a chance. But then she was jumped on so severely that I was shocked. I can understand that some people may not have wanted to give her a chance but to be so rude about it was uncalled for. It was like some posters felt threatened about something and not just miffed. I remember that a while back some idiot and obvious scammer had made a couple of different posts paying compliments to the poster and then giving some salespitch about something that had absolutely nothing to do with psychology of any kind. This happens at all forums and is a plain out scammer trying to sneak in. Nicole's posts weren't like this at all. She even came back and tried to explain several times what she meant and was trying to do. A real scammer would not have done this. Some people may not have approved of her presentation but that does not excuse their behavior in how they handled it.
Bryan, to me it sounds like you have something personal against tennis tom and have had for a long time. Nicole is an innocent bystander. And you seem to need a feeling of back up from others on the forum. You've said many times how others feel the same way as you. I don't feel the same way as you so don't count me in your court. Why don't you just go toe to toe with tt and forget about the rest of us. He can handle it. And to my knowledge tt has never said that anyone on this board does not have a right to their opinion. This is my opinion and I have a right to it. It would be a definite shame and loss if tt does leave because he gives good and to the point pure Sarno TMS advice with no fluff. And his wit keeps this place fresh and on its toes. It is also my opinion that tt has not done a damn thing wrong concerning his desire to welcome this person to the board.
I also saw potential in what Nicole had to offer. Each offer of a book, journal, paper or article brought to our attention by any author that has to do with anything that could possibly help us in our journeys to be free of pain and discomfort should be taken on an individual basis. Also they should be given every chance first to prove themselves before being pounced upon with negativity because we could be missing out on the very thing could be the answer for one or more of us.
I hate to think what a newcomer would think of this forum if they happened to read this topic first!
I'm for giving peace a chance.
MACCAFAN
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jennypeanut
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Posted - 01/18/2013 : 13:32:28
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I will confess, I stopped reading the posts on page 4 because it was taking too much of my time. However, I wanted to respond as a person who has found help here.
Nicole, thank you for coming here and making yourself known. How else will I find out about other TMS literature? As a woman, I am interested in reading another woman's perspective, especially a mom's perspective as I too am a mom. I am looking forward to reading your book. Are you still offering it free? If I like it I will write you a glaring review. Yes, that's right.
I have a good friend who is an author of some very popular books. We (her friends) always write reviews right away when the latest is out on Amazon because we have already read her book before it's "out".
I am appalled by the way you were chewed up and spit out here. Appalled. So much so, that I am thinking maybe this an unhealthy place to be. There are some wonderful people who have helped in so many ways in my own process of discovering and implementing TMS and I am indebted to this forum for that.
That said, I am shocked and disgusted by the attitudes in this post.
I do want to address something Susan has asked you about:
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I asked you to point out the posts where you are mentioned previously, for which there is no record...but you did not. You offered a pdf of your book which a few people requested and it has not been received.
When I read this in your initial post, I took it to mean that "you see yourself referenced in so many posts" by seeing how similar your own story is to others here. So, perhaps Susan, this answers your question.
Typically I'm a rather skeptical person, but I have no problem with finding out about your book. You also graciously offered it free to anyone interested to prove that you want to help.
It's easy to say things in a forum that you would never say in real life face to face. I think it's fine to disagree about weather someone should be allowed to share or promote their own book regarding TMS, but the nasty tones this debate has taken has given me the open door to exit this place entirely.
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