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susan828
USA
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 Posted - 01/16/2013 : 20:59:45
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I read the opening post here by Nicole in which she says "I see myself referenced in many of these old posts, which makes me smile".
I did a search for her name on this board and the only posts that came up were from the past few days. The computer picks up names mentioned in any post and I see no record of her name in "old posts".
Nicole, if you are reading this, could you tell us where those old posts are? I would be interested in your past interactions here. |
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Back2-It
USA
438 Posts |
Posted - 01/16/2013 : 21:50:50
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The truth will out.
Can I suggest the books written on here by TT, Art, Hillbilly, Balto, Ace1 and HellNY? Not sure if any of them conferred with Sarno, but, ultimately, it did not matter.
Time will tell and creds will be established. No sense getting in a fluster about it. Anything you buy you have to access, even things you "buy" for free. And somebody, by the way, has to sell it. Fear of sales people is a symptom imperative, and I really do mean that. Being "sold" is a fear of the future.
Meanwhile, "TMS Man and the MindBody Disaster" has chosen Jimmy Stewart to play the lead, though Jimmy is having some back troubles. And some death troubles.
"Bridges Freeze Before Roads" |
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plum
United Kingdom
641 Posts |
Posted - 01/17/2013 : 11:45:48
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Tom,
You replenish my faith,
sending you love with a smile.
Plum x
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tennis tom
USA
4749 Posts |
Posted - 01/17/2013 : 12:47:42
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Originally posted by pspa123
Israel in 4 BC had no mass communication.
The masses were the mass communication to the masses--or was it the minyans to the minyons? |
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NicoleSachsLCSW
USA
63 Posts |
Posted - 01/17/2013 : 19:04:35
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OH MY GOODNESS!!! I don't know whether to laugh or cry reading these four pages of comments... I am obviously a novice, as I allowed myself to get lost during the last day and a half in my 5 kids and my job, and I forgot to check back here. I am both flattered and devastated by your comments... I will do my best to respond. I just want you to know, though, that I am kinda wearing down, so please if you are a nay-sayer, try to hear me now. I may need to bow out if people continue to be so unkind...
OK. First of all, my reviews. They are largely written by my clients. I had a "soft premiere" of the book prior to the actual publishing, and offered it up to my circle of brave, lovely clients who fight the good fight every day to achieve their goals, whether those goals involve TMS, or equivalents in many forms. They all read the book, and were so helpful in the editing process. They were so moved by the content, that they jumped to review it when I put it out. I run a full-time practice, and the deep gratitude of my clientele is humbling. Someone on this thread said that I was arrogant (or some related word) when I wrote that this book will "change your life." I guess that is possible, and I apologize if so. I just know that I did my best to convey what happens in my practice, and if I succeeded on some level, it WILL CHANGE YOUR LIFE, IF YOU LET IT. Please believe that if the reviews smack of my style, it's because these people are thrilled to be feeling better, and having read the book have probably adopted a bit of it. I had not one BIT of input in any of those reviews. It's so insulting to even hear that, although I must push myself to understand the natural skepticism of the average human who hasn't met me. I'm really trying to be ok with that.
OK, for those who have questioned my relationship with Dr. Sarno... umm.. how can I respond? The man saved my life. He hugged me every time I showed up at the Alumni Panel and handed me a 20 under the table as I was the only panelist who drove from Westchester County to come, and speak FOR FREE every time I participated for almost 5 years. I had to pay for parking, and he got it. The reason my books' excerpts don't mention Dr. Sarno is that my book is about much more than just TMS (but trust me TMS is a big part) and I want it to be for everyone. My whole mantra is, "This book is about YOU." It is about every "you" out there, whether you are hurting emotionally or physically. We are all the same. Feel free to disagree; it's just something I've seen too many times to ignore.
What else? Am I looking to make money? Well... not to get rich. I DID spend about 15k to publish this on my own, after turning down two NYC agents who wanted to chop it into pieces and create some run-of-the-mill self-help crap and I wouldn't have it. My book is different, and it speaks to you directly. That's why it helps. I decided to go it alone. Recovering the cash would be nice, but my true intention is to speak to people, and help them to heal. Not just average healing - sustained healing. If this doesn't convince you, then the best I can offer is this (and it comes from vast experience:)
Anger and resistance are both diversions from your real work. What could you do with the energy you use to feed your skepticism? Might you be journaling toward your deepest, ugliest truths which might release your pain? Might you be partnering with YOU in order to stop the self-hatred that slays you day after day? I don't say this to offend, just to communicate.
Listen... I am using this experience as a lesson, for me. Just because I don't struggle with physical pain anymore, doesn't mean I can't hurt. I will check back to view the responses to this post. But I must say, if I feel unwelcome here I think this may be my last post. Check out my book, or don't. At this point, I think my communication here may have been in error. Having said this, I wish you (all of you) the very best, and I send only good thoughts.
Much love,
Nicole
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Originally posted by tennis tom
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Originally posted by pspa123
Israel in 4 BC had no mass communication.
The masses were the mass communication to the masses--or was it the minyans to the minyons?
Embrace your Truth, Create your Life. |
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bryan3000
USA
513 Posts |
Posted - 01/17/2013 : 19:42:03
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Originally posted by NicoleSachsLCSW
Anger and resistance are both diversions from your real work. What could you do with the energy you use to feed your skepticism?
Wow. Diversion indeed.
Nicole, any thoughts on all of your reviewers only having one review on Amazon?
I understand that they apparently rushed to write a review, but apparently they all had to create new accounts as well? I guess it could just be one of those odds-defying moments with no explanation.
As for the rest, I don't think anyone wants to "hurt" you or insult you. I think you came to a forum for a publicity push and perhaps it didn't go as planned. Agreed, if you are going to learn from this... the way to approach it might be to approach people like people instead of consumers right off of the bat. But, to quote you... that's just MY opinion.
As for this forum, it's an amazing place and we all thank Dave regularly for keeping it up, and he does it ad-free. In the opinion of at least some here, this keeps the forum more authentic and organic.
Some will disagree with me, some might agree. But to attempt to categorize those who questioned your sudden book-sales appearance as angry or hurtful isn't very therapist-like, is it? Besides, aside from one poster commenting about your physical appearance, I don't think anyone has said anything of a personal nature about you. Simply that there are some holes in the story, and more so that some of us just aren't big fans of product pitches here.
Some are fine with it. It's a free forum.
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pspa123
672 Posts |
Posted - 01/17/2013 : 19:49:43
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| I would hope that if you do stick around, your posts will be about your insights and not so much about yourself or how great your book is. I suggest you read some of Ace1's (a medical doctor) posts. He does his best to help people and answer their questions without making any of it about himself, except where his experience is illustrative of a point he is trying to make. |
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alix
USA
434 Posts |
Posted - 01/17/2013 : 19:59:38
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OK. First of all, my reviews. They are largely written by my clients.
Do you mean that most of them are reviews from your clients and the others [READ this book. REALLY read it] by total strangers a day after publication? |
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NicoleSachsLCSW
USA
63 Posts |
Posted - 01/17/2013 : 20:10:23
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Thank you for your thoughts. That's about all I can take. The reason I'm not on here helping with TMS (as recently suggested) is because when you are fighting fires, all you can do is that. The negative energy here breaks my heart. I wasn't expecting it, and at the moment it feels a bit toxic. I wish you all the best, but this place is not for me.
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Originally posted by alix
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OK. First of all, my reviews. They are largely written by my clients.
Do you mean that most of them are reviews from your clients and the others [READ this book. REALLY read it] by total strangers a day after publication?
Embrace your Truth, Create your Life. |
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pspa123
672 Posts |
Posted - 01/17/2013 : 20:32:25
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| Out, out, brief candle. |
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mala
Hong Kong
774 Posts |
Posted - 01/17/2013 : 20:42:03
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What a shame. I was looking forward to reading more from you Nicole.
Guys what are we doing here. This is self destructive. We should have welcomed her like we do any other poster instead of taking the Mickey. Becoz of negative comments from some people here we have missed an opportunity to learn more. I am so disappointed. This forum is for everyone, not just a select few who think they control this place.
Let's please NOT do this again.
Mala
Mala Singh Barber. I'm on facebook. Look me up
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chickenbone
Panama
398 Posts |
Posted - 01/17/2013 : 21:15:57
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Excuse me, Mala, but nobody is saying NOT to purchase her book if they wish to and no one is kicking her off the forum. Her credentials simply didn't check out and the people here are smart enough to know that. I don't see the problem here. Frankly, I find this whole thing rather entertaining.
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alix
USA
434 Posts |
Posted - 01/17/2013 : 21:27:20
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Mala,
Nicole had plenty of opportunities to contribute to the many interesting threads that are currently active since she joined the forum. She instead chose to advertise her book post after post without revealing one tidbit of TMS wisdom. |
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bryan3000
USA
513 Posts |
Posted - 01/17/2013 : 21:28:53
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Mala,
If the forum is for everyone, then everyone should have a say. I agree with you, there shouldn't be one or two people controlling the place for the rest of us. Luckily, that's not the case. Nicole chose to approach a group of intelligent adults with a sales pitch and frankly underestimated her potential customers.
No one has asked her to leave. She seems to be choosing to do so, claiming that we're "toxic," despite this forum being a wealth of kindness, help, sharing and open discussion.
I've had more than one person here take their own time, off-line to help me in my recovery... at no cost and in fact refusing compensation. I've attempted to help others the same way, as have so many here. Toxic? Please. Just because a place isn't profitable doesn't make it toxic.
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susan828
USA
291 Posts |
Posted - 01/17/2013 : 21:30:42
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Analyzing us by saying "anger and resistance"...is a cheap shot, sorry. I nor the others are not angry or resistant and we don't need to be analyzed and advised where to put our energy by someone who doesn't know anything about us. Our criticism was not about our energy, it was about your honesty and credibility so please don't switch it around to us...it's a 3rd grade tactic.
We are a bright and insightful group. I see through b.s., that's my job as an investigator. But one doesn't need to be an investigator to make the deductions that many of us made in the above posts.
I asked you to point out the posts where you are mentioned previously, for which there is no record...but you did not. You offered a pdf of your book which a few people requested and it has not been received.
My advice would be to have your friends retract their reviews and space them out. This is a learning experience for you but know that this is what new authors usually are advised to tell their enthusiastic friends so their reviews don't appear fixed.
Good luck in any case. |
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bryan3000
USA
513 Posts |
Posted - 01/17/2013 : 21:35:17
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Susan is right. Myself excluded, this place is pretty much filled with highly intelligent, articulate, extremely insightful people. This is the wrong place to underestimate the collective brain-power.
Almost all TMS and anxiety types are highly intelligent and highly analytical. I'd assume Nicole is aware of this, despite her approach.
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tennis tom
USA
4749 Posts |
Posted - 01/17/2013 : 21:44:18
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| bryann, YOU ARE A TRUE CLUELESS CREEP! |
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bryan3000
USA
513 Posts |
Posted - 01/17/2013 : 21:57:22
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Tom, you're not doing my "forum full of intelligent people" line much justice.
People are going to disagree with you from time to time. You'll get over it. I won't be another person you've run off of this place. Sorry.
By the way, you proably couldn't return my serve, either. |
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tennis tom
USA
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Posted - 01/17/2013 : 22:28:58
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| Running people off the board, YOU ARE PROJECTING! So far you are two for two, SteveO and now Nicole, two experts who could have helped many. I personally got SteveO to return after you pulled the same **** on him--and I tell you what I will do my best to get Nicole back. You took off for quite a while after YOU drove SteveO off. I'll be playing in the Babolat tournament this coming week, if you want to come down to the desert we'll see if I can return your powerful serve. I've recently worked out with the Cal Poly and UCLA teams, see ya' on the courts, where are you playing? Oh and how's your marriage going? |
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bryan3000
USA
513 Posts |
Posted - 01/17/2013 : 22:41:05
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LOL
You have a good imagination, Tom. Oh, and the marriage has never been better, literally.
Thank you!
Anyway, a simple browse through the forum history will reveal just how many times you've butted heads with people as the self-appointed TMS mafia boss. I'm far from the first to point out how divisive, dismissive and attacking you've been.
But, how about we not make this about us, huh?
Bottom line is... Steve O is a big boy. He was asked by those in charge of the forum to comply with the rules. He took offense and fled. But, to his credit.. he came back and played by the rules. (Like EVERY OTHER ONE OF US DOES.) Steve O also didn't stoop to insulting the users here with dime-store psycho-babble.
Are you familiar with those rules, Tom? You being the forum ogre, you should be... right?
Let me help you out...
There is no guarantee than any particular post will stay on the board. Occasionally, posts and threads are deleted, although only a very small number of posts have actually been deleted since the board's inception. Among the categories of posts that will be deleted:
-Advertising
-Links to websites selling or advertising products
There you have it. Rules #1 and #2.
The forum you claim to respect has listed as their number 1 and 2 rules... no product pitching.
Yet, here you are... bashing people who simply ask for our forum to be a mutually respectful place. Seems that it's not me, but you who are not honoring the nature of why this forum was put together and for whom.
The responses here clearly indicate that I am not the only one who wishes to keep this forum free of salesmen, spam and scams. Seems to me that anyone is free to post if their true intention is to help. But, when they want to rewrite the forum rules, people make take offense to that.
Maybe you should take it up with Dave, and let him know that you believe you should be in charge of who can set up shop and sell here now... and that you'll be implementing a new set of rules for his forum.
Until then, I intend to respect the forum and those who post here. We're all entitled to an opinion. Like I said... you'll get over it.
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