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tennis tom
USA
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 Posted - 01/15/2013 : 15:49:49
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I don't see any ads here, every one can say whatever they want here AND that includes ME. There is competition amongst the TMS forums, the TMS Wiki is another. Anyone too intimidated or offended by fellow TMS' ers excited to share should think about trying over there. SteveO was featured there as a guest. I've been asked to post there and was flattered, but I only have so much time in the day and my TMS homeostasis makes me feel at home here. Mentioning a TMS book you've written and are proud of, wanting to share your inner feelings and findings with the world, bears no relation to spam to peddling knock-off Rolex watches.
Anyone who feels intimidated to speak out or to engage here needs to examine why that is--it's only a TV screen--it's NOT going to bite you. Practice here, so that in the real world you can say things like, "I QUIT!"--or, "I want to see other people"--or, "I want a divorce"--or "F-U A-hole"--this is a good place to rehearse for your TMS free future.
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NicoleSachsLCSW
USA
63 Posts |
Posted - 01/15/2013 : 16:28:22
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I want to thank you all, personally, for your thoughtful debate on the topic on both sides. I see the logic in both. I struggle with falling onto one side or another, and it truly has nothing to do with the fact that I wrote a book and posted it here. It has SO much more to do with the YEARS that I suffered and struggled... the nights I cried myself to sleep that I would never be the parent I'd been dreaming to be and so much more.
I have something to share, and it's bigger than you think. I have no way of showing you my humanity here, and I'm sure some people will find me grandiose. I just need to take that chance, though, for the people who don't. For the people who, potentially through my work are given (literally) a new life. The life that I found through this process of uncovering my truths that began with Dr. Sarno.
I have always thought that Dr. Sarno was before his time, and it has always pained me (no pun intended :) I fear that this may be the same for me, but I also amaze at my clients as they grow and change every week, and I have no choice but to press on.
I wish you ALL the best, regardless of where you fall on this argument, and I thank you for welcoming me into this forum.
xo, n.
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Originally posted by chickenbone
I have to agree with Bryan and Ace1. No offense to Nicole - I believe she is really trying to help and I am sure her book is very helpful - perhaps I will purchase it. However, I have some experience with this issue on other forums. The forums that are really strict about NO book pushing are the most successful,long lasting and helpful to the average person. When experts and authors populate a forum, the average person becomes afraid to make their concerns and opinions known because they fear the wrath of the so-called "experts" and their adoring fans. It really gets to be a group of fan clubs and the average sufferer of the disease, whom the forum is supposed to be helping, gets lost in the shuffle. Eventually, the average person stops reading and posting.
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pspa123
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Posted - 01/15/2013 : 16:35:55
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| Just one man's opinion, but for me it dilutes whatever your message may be to express yourself in such egotistical, self-important terms -- I fear I may be ahead of my time, I have something to share and it's bigger than you think, and so on. There are a lot of very smart people here who manage to convey very profound insights without calling attention to themselves. |
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shawnsmith
Czech Republic
2048 Posts |
Posted - 01/15/2013 : 17:13:34
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| Well this thread has certainly been a TMS flare-up. LOL |
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maccafan
130 Posts |
Posted - 01/15/2013 : 17:39:45
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Hi Nicole,
I finally have some time to sit down and write welcome to the forum.
I have to say that I was a bit suspicious of your first couple of posts but your others have convinced me that you're on the up and up. What you are trying to get across to us sounds real and not just wanting to sell your book. I don't see the difference between people here posting about books they have read which helped them and then saying that we may also be helped by these books (so go out and buy it) and someone posting on the forum that they have written a book and saying that it may help them.
I like your respect for Dr. Sarno and wanting to keep his knowledge going strong for us and future generations. I'm a Dr. Sarno purist for sure and have read all his books and then read them again. I like to keep things simple so I have read only one other book on TMS by another author and that is SteveO's book. Your book sounds intriguing so I'm going to buy it when it comes out in paper form.
The Mindbody Prescription saved me from a life time of crippling back pain and possible surgery. I have virtually no disc between L4 and L5. The vertabrae may have already fuzed together by now. I don't know and I don't care. Also because of Dr. S I've been able to conquer several other severe conditions but I still have a ways to go. Your book may be just the ticket I need to finish up with the acute parts of my TMS.
I look forward to your future posts and learning about your experience and knowledge of the TMS monster. That's right, I think of TMS as my own personal monster inside me that only wants to cause me more harm.
Maccafan
PS -- I like the look of your website.
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To the Forum: No one has rallied me to speak up about this. This is MY opinion. Not that many books have been written about TMS so we don't have to fear being bombarded with forum clogging sales pitches any time soon. And I think we could miss out on some really helpful fresh views on this subject if we instantly shut down someone who has gone to the trouble of writting a book about TMS. Taking everyone on an individual basis and giving them a chance to state their case would be more fair. |
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tennis tom
USA
4749 Posts |
Posted - 01/15/2013 : 17:57:52
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Originally posted by NicoleSachsLCSW
I have something to share, and it's bigger than you think. I have no way of showing you my humanity here, and I'm sure some people will find me grandiose. I just need to take that chance, though, for the people who don't. For the people who, potentially through my work are given (literally) a new life. The life that I found through this process of uncovering my truths that began with Dr. Sarno.
Embrace your Truth, Create your Life. www . meaningoftruthbook . com
I like grandiose women, in fact the one who triggered my bum hip was a six footer, who cried at trying anything new. Let's start sharing, I'm a hippy (right hip "arthritis"). The TMS literature, including the Good Doctor, seems ambivalent, (to me at least), on when to get a hip replacement and when it's TMS. SteveO has given me hope that it's TMS. Do you have any thoughts on hips for hippies. I've had two TMS doctors tell me after imaging, to get a hip replacement. I've played tennis with too many white coats to believe all their calls. Don Dubin who I consulted with, after I was handed that great NOCEBO, said he doesn't always agree with the TMS doc that dx'ed me. What say ye' LCSW?
Cheers,
tt/LSMFT
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DR. SARNO'S 12 DAILY REMINDERS:
www.youtube.com/watch?v=r0dKBFwGR0g
TAKE THE HOLMES-RAHE STRESS TEST
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holmes_and_Rahe_stress_scale
Some of my favorite excerpts from _THE DIVIDED MIND_ :
http://www.tmshelp.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=2605
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"It is no measure of health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society." Jiddu Krishnamurti
"Pain is inevitable; suffering is optional." Author Unknown
"Happy People Are Happy Putters." Frank Nobilo, Golf Analyst
"Be careful about reading health books. You may die of a misprint." Mark Twain and Balto
"The hot-dog is the noblest of dogs; it feeds the hand that bites it." Dr. Laurence Johnston Peter
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"If it ends with "itis" or "algia" or "syndrome" and doctors can't figure out what causes it, then it might be TMS." Dave the Mod
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TMS PRACTITIONERS:
John Sarno, MD
400 E 34th St, New York, NY 10016
(212) 263-6035
Here's the TMS practitioners list from the TMS Help Forum:
http://www.tmshelp.com/links.htm
Here's a list of TMS practitioners from the TMS Wiki:
http://tmswiki.org/ppd/Find_a_TMS_Doctor_or_Therapist
Here's a map of TMS practitioners from the old Tarpit Yoga site, (click on the map by state for listings).:
http://www.tarpityoga.com/2007_08_01_archive.html |
Edited by - tennis tom on 01/15/2013 18:11:25 |
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bryan3000
USA
513 Posts |
Posted - 01/15/2013 : 18:04:04
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" I don't see the difference between people here posting about books they have read which helped them and then saying that we may also be helped by these books (so go out and buy it) and someone posting on the forum that they have written a book and saying that it may help them."
One involves two sufferers commiserating, sharing acquired data and relating to each other.
The other involves a person with a product offering it for monetary gain to a group of sufferers.
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It seems to me that people are confusing the notion of AGREEING with the book seller... with supporting the notion of salesmen here.
Once again, the problem comes when the next chiropractor shows up selling his book, or the next energy healer, or even the next medical doctor. What happens if the next TMS salesman that shows up isn't preaching a message the forum spokespeople approve of? Would these salesmen be welcomed with such open arms? Because that's where this ends up, in my opinion. Then we've got to tell one group they can sell and the other they can't, and meanwhile... you have the rest of us real people just wanting to get better.
I've said it before and it's just my opinion... a separate "products" forum would be a simple solution. Then those interested in shopping could visit. This isn't a new idea. Other forums implement it to keep the credibility of a forum in tact.
Oh and Tennis Tom... I just did. :)
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chickenbone
Panama
398 Posts |
Posted - 01/15/2013 : 18:28:17
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Hi TT - you are so funny - I really enjoy your posts. Sorry to unload my "I hate living in Panama" tirade on you in one of the other threads. I hope you took it ok - it really helped my TMS and got it out of my system. Honestly, I am so grateful for the people on this forum. I read and reread many times all the tips, especially Ace1. I can't tell you how much this has helped me. Since I have been reading on this forum and following many of the suggestions, my pain has been reduced by about 75%.
But to the point: I am ambivalent about allowing authors and experts to sell books and post on the public forums. I am willing to keep an open mind. However, I will be sure to speak up if I think this practice is becoming a problem. |
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Back2-It
USA
438 Posts |
Posted - 01/15/2013 : 18:41:50
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I too have a book out.
Well, it's a comic book about a superhero named "TMS Man".
He gladly shares his superpowers with anybody else who is mildly interested in helping solve the World's Biggest Health Problem.
He battles the evil Symptom Imperative, Repressed Emoto Woman, the Anxiety Accelerator and many other sinister symptoms that have a hidden layer in the Hypothalamus-Amiglia Core deep in the secretive Brain of the world's consciousnesses (or unconsciousness). TMS Man knows he needs to get past the evil symptoms to the Core and diffuse it if the world is to survive.
His disguise: a ninety-year old retired doctor from the Rusk Institute in NYC. He has other Super Hero friends out there, though, who contribute to the battle of the HA Core.
Even superheros need help.
Even Santa needs helpers.
The more help the better, because one person may find that one superhero helper in the nick of time can help change the course of the person's history.
Soon to be a major motion picture. Look for the trailer.
Copyright 2013. All rights reserved.
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chickenbone
Panama
398 Posts |
Posted - 01/15/2013 : 18:51:16
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| I loved it Back2-It. Very entertaining and creative!! |
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tennis tom
USA
4749 Posts |
Posted - 01/15/2013 : 18:53:44
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Originally posted by bryan3000
" I don't see the difference between people here posting about books they have read which helped them and then saying that we may also be helped by these books (so go out and buy it) and someone posting on the forum that they have written a book and saying that it may help them."
One involves two sufferers commiserating, sharing acquired data and relating to each other.
The other involves a person with a product offering it for monetary gain to a group of sufferers.
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It seems to me that people are confusing the notion of AGREEING with the book seller... with supporting the notion of salesmen here.
Once again, the problem comes when the next chiropractor shows up selling his book, or the next energy healer, or even the next medical doctor. What happens if the next TMS salesman that shows up isn't preaching a message the forum spokespeople approve of? Would these salesmen be welcomed with such open arms? Because that's where this ends up, in my opinion. Then we've got to tell one group they can sell and the other they can't, and meanwhile... you have the rest of us real people just wanting to get better.
I've said it before and it's just my opinion... a separate "products" forum would be a simple solution. Then those interested in shopping could visit. This isn't a new idea. Other forums implement it to keep the credibility of a forum in tact.
Oh and Tennis Tom... I just did. :)
Bryan, I've never heard of a book referred to as a "product", maybe that's how they talk in Hollywood, but books are special and not something I'd associate with a toaster. I don't understand why you're being so anal about this. You went into the same mode with SteveO. He left here AND I sweet-talked him back. He has proven to be a great resource helping members heal and giving HOPE through recounting his TMS journey from hell. Now you're spearheading the same campaign against this TMS author. She has all the TMS credentials to be here and she's doing it for free. I would take advantage of that great generosity (and I intend to). If folks would rather pay $150-240 an hour they are welcome to, but don't block those who maybe can't afford it, from a golden opportunity to benefit, not to mention the rest of the planet. I for one can tell the difference between a medical quack or snake-oyl salesman and I think most here by now can too otherwise they wouldn't be here in the first place. Outside of obvious spam it's never been a problem and you can trust me, if I see it I'll be the first to warn about it, but let's not throw out the baby with the bath water.
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tennis tom
USA
4749 Posts |
Posted - 01/15/2013 : 19:06:14
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Originally posted by Back2-It
I too have a book out.
Well, it's a comic book about a superhero named "TMS Man".
His disguise: a ninety-year old retired doctor from the Rusk Institute in NYC.
Even superheros need help.
Even Santa needs helpers.
Copyright 2013. All rights reserved.
I'd like to purchase an autographed copy. I think Carey Grant would make a good Dr. Sarno.
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maccafan
130 Posts |
Posted - 01/15/2013 : 19:38:47
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Back2-It,
Great post, enjoyed it. What an imagination!
I vote for Carey Grant too AND Channing Tatum as his sidekick. 
May the Force be with you.
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bryan3000
USA
513 Posts |
Posted - 01/16/2013 : 00:02:04
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Tom,
I've said my piece and made my point pretty clearly. The fact that you happen to like a particular salesperson doesn't mean they're not a salesperson.
"Please pay attention because this will change your life"
I mean, that sounds like the subject line of a Nigerian inheritance email.
You crow the loudest Tom and that's fine. Some of us don't care for the dynamic being developed. Yes books are products. So are toasters. Amazon sells both.
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mala
Hong Kong
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Posted - 01/16/2013 : 03:08:51
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Hmmmmmmmm. That Nicole is a psychotherapist and a Sarno patient makes me want to know more & I'd genuinely like to hear more from her. My question is why hasn't' she made herself known on this forum prior to her book being published. There has been no contribution from her uptill now.
Still I give her the benefit of the doubt. If her posts are solely inclined towards just self promotion or promoting her book we'll know soon enough. Best not to scare her off too early. Let's see what she has to say ?
Mala
Mala Singh Barber. I'm on facebook. Look me up
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Sylvia
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Posted - 01/16/2013 : 05:28:09
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Originally posted by NicoleSachsLCSW
Hello Ace1,
Go to my site, send me your email through the contact page identifying yourself, and I will send you a PDF of the book for free. You can read it on either a computer or an iPad in that format. In fact, whomever reads this, do the same. You can have one.
Then maybe people will get what I'm saying, and what I'm trying to do.
With gratitude,
-n.
I did send you my e-mail for a free copy of your book yesterday. It is a generous offer, and I look forward to reading it. |
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tennis tom
USA
4749 Posts |
Posted - 01/16/2013 : 06:19:26
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Originally posted by mala
My question is why hasn't' she made herself known on this forum prior to her book being published. There has been no contribution from her uptill now.
My guess is she is "cured" of TMS fear of THE PAIN and is her own best doctor--as should be the goal of all TMS'ers. People come here finding this place as a last resort. She also has five kids and they probably keep her pretty busy. I hope we can get some more of her time and don't scare her off.
I'd like to hear more about the group meetings with the Good Doctor at Rusk she spoke at. I've heard Rusk has been torn down and was a contributing factor to the Good Doctor's decision to retire "early" at ninety.
Nicole, if you're still wtih us, have you heard how what Dr. Sarno is doing in his well deserved retirement? |
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Back2-It
USA
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Posted - 01/16/2013 : 08:02:09
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Originally posted by tennis tom
quote:
Originally posted by Back2-It
I too have a book out.
Well, it's a comic book about a superhero named "TMS Man".
His disguise: a ninety-year old retired doctor from the Rusk Institute in NYC.
Even superheros need help.
Even Santa needs helpers.
Copyright 2013. All rights reserved.
I'd like to purchase an autographed copy. I think Carey Grant would make a good Dr. Sarno.
Cheers
I somehow see Jimmy Stewart in the lead. In real life, during WWII, he was a bomber pilot, so he did not fly alone. He had wingmen. And a crew. They all aimed true, I think, because the mission was so big.
Education and help in the MindBody area has probably disabled more people than WWII, and cost just as much. All warriors are needed.
BTW:
"TMS Man" is available for personal appearances, just so you know, but not for free. Even TMS Man has to eat.
"Bridges Freeze Before Roads" |
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alix
USA
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Posted - 01/16/2013 : 10:17:15
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There is not one reference to Sarno on her entire web site. There is no mention of Sarno on the downloadable excerpt from the book.
That in addition to the strangely effusive reviews on Amazon is enough of a red flag for me. |
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Birdie78
Germany
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Posted - 01/16/2013 : 10:28:30
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nicolesachslcsw . blogspot . de
"The theories which guide my writing and my practice are born from my own personal triumph, which was only possible as a result of the uncommon genius of many teachers I have encountered, among them Dr. John Sarno (most recent work: The Divided Mind, HarperCollins.)"
Kind regards from Germany sends Birdie |
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