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kenny V
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 Posted - 12/13/2012 : 13:08:18
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? I believe it’s more complicated than this.
Thats we all think when we got probs and dont deal with the real issues
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basis. People are living longer partly due to drugs, especially in the western hemisphere compared
Thats bunk totally untrue.
Esp if you study ALL cultures and the ones who take drugs, the ones who practice good health and hygiene.
All drugs = Bad never said that . JMHO ther are many things that can get you there even fix/ correct health problems that are not man made, synthetic or have harmful side effects .
Drugs are not the miracles . When they discovered Morphine and Valium how do you think the receptors in the brain Got there?
granted we have a few Drugs that are wonderful for first responders/ life saving/ Near End life suffering .
Many Many Many drugs only treat symptoms and don't cure fix anything .
THE USA and western hemisphere ( drug taking countries) living longer is BS Look into it .. not worthy of a response either
In fact the USA is ranked one of the poorest in health among its children compared to ALL the western hemisphere practicing medicine countries and I wonder why?
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andy64tms
USA
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Posted - 12/13/2012 : 15:27:19
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Hi Kenny,
Please don’t be so Sarno defensive, I’m not here to dictate my views, merely discuss. With the little knowledge I possess I do believe that heart related problems including high blood pressure are very complicated, and serious enough to include the “body” part as in mind body medicine.
“I believe it’s more complicated than this.”
You have taken this one sentence out of context, and I think the point you might be making is that we over complicate TMS to the point of not doing the real emotional work, I concur. Perhaps read the sentence again within its paragraph, you will see I am skeptical, questioning, but I do believe it’s a complicated issue.
I am in two minds as to whether it’s possible to reduce your BP enough with mind body techniques alone, I just don’t know. Is hypertension only caused by mind body issues? I believe it’s more complicated than this.
You never said “bad” I know, but why suggest getting rid of docs and meds if you don’t think they are bad? Again you are taking this out of context from the paragraph where I am giving my reasoning viewpoints.
If you go to the link below and probably many others you will see poor Africa very much in the black denoting high mortality-death rates. Poverty, poor living conditions as you stated attribute to this. Do you not think lack of medication also plays a part? I did look into it and I would value your worthy response other than BS.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Death_rate_world_map.PNG
By the way when replying to me you can say: “Hi, Andy”, as I am just another friendly, needy TMSer.
A heartfelt all the best
Andy
Past TMS Experience in 2000, with success.
Back on Wiki Edu Program day 15
Charlie Horse on neck for 20 years. (to be evicted later.)
Books:
Healing Back Pain
Unlearn your Pain
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kenny V
USA
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Posted - 12/14/2012 : 08:20:30
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Originally posted by andy64tms
Hi Kenny,
Please don’t be so Sarno defensive, I’m not here to dictate my views, merely discuss. With the little knowledge I possess I do believe that heart related problems including high blood pressure are very complicated, and serious enough to include the “body” part as in mind body medicine.
“I believe it’s more complicated than this.”
You have taken this one sentence out of context, and I think the point you might be making is that we over complicate TMS to the point of not doing the real emotional work, I concur. Perhaps read the sentence again within its paragraph, you will see I am skeptical, questioning, but I do believe it’s a complicated issue.
I am in two minds as to whether it’s possible to reduce your BP enough with mind body techniques alone, I just don’t know. Is hypertension only caused by mind body issues? I believe it’s more complicated than this.
You never said “bad” I know, but why suggest getting rid of docs and meds if you don’t think they are bad? Again you are taking this out of context from the paragraph where I am giving my reasoning viewpoints.
Andy
Past TMS Experience in 2000, with success.
Back on Wiki Edu Program day 15
Charlie Horse on neck for 20 years. (to be evicted later.)
Books:
Healing Back Pain
Unlearn your Pain
The Great Pain Deception
Hi Andy OK im with ya on that
Sorry not to be more helpful and or specific with your condition . But ultimately using TMS thinking One must learn to apply yet separate the 2 schools of thought as they Isolate the issues. We can apply this as we , learn more about our body, trust more w/ our own diagnoses , not what some doc test or otherwise influence says about our condition.
In hindsight the Auto immune system is quite complex to understand its role in proper body function, let alone learn how to alter its control over us.
Again if you are stuck on the Anxiety HB pressure issues, hypertension, drug dependance issues . That may only hider your healing process. Frankly I do believe in white coat syndrome , its very easy to get caught up in its powerful influence in how we respond to any given treatment test diagnoses ext.........
So If we embrace what Sarno has taught us about Ruling out any other serious health issue than we are freed up to to the real work in the recovery process . Hope that made some sense..... But if you are stuck on the other than well my friend its hard to change or influence that school of thought on anything anyone says. JMHO That is for us to discover.
Now again I don't know where you are at towards recovery. But I will say this YES you can find a good doc who may help Guide you with your health related issues . Sure another tool but it must be used properly However again I strongly believe that it will come from within. And that will be AFTER we realize we are the complication of our issues.
With that said I will say most folks that are stuck, paralyzed or feel as if other people don't understand why they cant get out of rut ( weather it be Health , relationships or other life stress full events ). Many think you don't understand or my situation is more complicated. Or its something else than what we are discussing . So in retrospect wont receive the help advice and support that is recommended to make a change.
I feel for ya bro .. and wish you luck on your next step letting go of fears anxiety, drugs or anything else that may be hindering the healing process.
Best Regards
Kenny v
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kenny V
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Posted - 12/14/2012 : 08:51:42
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Originally posted by andy64tms
Hi Kenny, If you go to the link below and probably many others you will see poor Africa very much in the black denoting high mortality-death rates. Poverty, poor living conditions as you stated attribute to this. Do you not think lack of medication also plays a part? I did look into it and I would value your worthy response other than BS.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Death_rate_world_map.PNG
By the way when replying to me you can say: “Hi, Andy”, as I am just another friendly, needy TMSer.
A heartfelt all the best
Andy
Hi Andy and anyone reading this topic ....
My point is if you look at and study the health in other cultures, you will notice many live longer and healthier lives even without a great health care system like we have. From what I have learned allot has to do with their life style diet as well as how close they live to their natural farming and agriculture.
It’s a shame even with socialistic and communist governments that they even warn and protect the population from artificial agriculture and potential dangers. In some countries the Docs only get paid by the amount of healthy people they have and take care of, rather than the sick, like we do.
So I guess money doesn’t’ have everything to do with who is behind the Iron curtain, but often times its that hidden agenda we are all familiar with .
now let us exspand on the common denominator
There are many smoking guns and common denominators.
I know this is not the place to discuss all this controversial stuff however I think its fair to let some of the readers be informed . Especially since the main stream medical community has fooled so many for so long. The false data game , scare tactics and cover ups have been going on way too long... AlIf you want to know the truth have a look at the real epidemics we face today and ask the Q WHY?
Dont ever settle for and excuse or someone to explain away a problem without getting to the bottom of it . We still must ask why? And what is Going on? To me thats the tell tailwhich may help explain the entire story or real deal.
We have a head engineer at our our company that troubleshoots, fixes and debugs our products electronics and software . He always says when finding ,looking , fixing or isolating the underlying reason. There are no coincidences , there is always a reason for something that goes wrong.
So How bout we look at USA childhood sickness/ disability rate compared to other countries
This is the data the drug industry does not want you to see. Here 2 centuries of UK, USA, and Australian official death statistics show conclusively and scientifically modern medicine (vaccines) is not responsible for and played little part in substantially improved life expectancy and survival from disease in western economies.
The main advances in combating disease over 200 years have been better food and clean drinking water. Improved sanitation, less overcrowding, and better living conditions also contributed. This is also borne out in published peer reviewed research:
http://childhealthsafety.wordpress.com/graphs/
AROUND THE WORLD:
Autism Rates, and Under 5 Mortality
Generation Rescue, Inc. April 2009
SPECIAL REPORT
http://www.rescuepost.com/files/gr-autism_and_vaccines_world_special_report1.pdf
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UNDER 5 MORTALITY is a measure of country-specific child mortality rates before the age of 5. The United Nations tabulates the data for all countries. The rates are expressed per 1,000 children born. The
United States is 34th in the world for under 5 mortality, tied with Greece and behind such diverse countries as France, Germany, Japan, Singapore, Cuba, and Slovenia, to name a few. In Table 2, vaccine schedules (where obtainable) and under 5 mortality rates are compared for the 30 countries studied. Note that all 29
other countries have lower (better) under 5 mortality rates than the U.S.
AUTISM AND VACCINES AROUND THE WORLD:
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The United States has the highest number of mandated vaccines for children under 5 in the world (36,double the Western world average of 18), the highest autism rate in the world (1 in 150 children, 10 times or more the rate of some other Western countries), but only places 34th in the world for its children under
5 mortality rate. What’s going on?
here is a good look at what many Docs and well respected folks who exposed the misconceptions have to say about our current system
http://www.vaccinesuncensored.org/third.php
The Big Picture
Politics, Power and Public Relations
http://www.vaccinesuncensored.org/politics.php
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For most people it's hard to fathom that any product that posed a serious public risk would not be removed by our regulatory bodies. After all, most of those who work for CDC, the FDA, Health Canada etc. are decent professionals concerned about the public's welfare. This raises serious issues about the extent to which government, industry, academia etc. are controlled at the highest levels by powerful vested interests. To better grasp the extent to which non-patentable modalities are suppressed consider reading: 'The Politics of Healing: Manipulation of American Medicine' by former New York State Assemblyman Daniel Haley; 'The Medical Mafia' by Guylaine Lanctot MD and 'Rotten to the Core: Memoirs of a Health Canada Whistleblower' by Dr. Shiv Chopra. Also consider viewing the revealing documentaries: 'When Healing is a Crime' and 'Sweet Misery' which documents the disturbing revolving door between industry and regulators. Lastly, consider visiting www.whale.to (link to persecuted doctors.)
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