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tennis tom
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 Posted - 12/17/2012 : 06:49:36
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He sounded confident, the exam was perfunctory, no palpation just looked at the x-rays I brought him and pronounced that even other TMS doctors disagree with Sarno on hips being TMS. His office is in the high-rent district of Beverly Hills. Judging by the photos of celebs athletes in his offices, I may have had more bed-side manner, if I'd been a star but the dx would have probably been the same.
I saw his therapist Donald Dubin, who appears on his audios, for a couple of sessions while down in La-La Land, and he said he doesn't always agree with Schechter. That created doubt in the dx for me, therefore, I've still got my old hippie, and go hobbling merrily along. |
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tennis tom
USA
4749 Posts |
Posted - 01/05/2013 : 18:07:31
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Originally posted by alix
...It happens that that practitioner is also a believer in Sarno and uses a technique called Neuro Emotional technique or NET. You can check it (you tube has some demonstration) but basically, it is a way to ask yes or no questions to your subconscious. you can therefore quickly zero in on the repressed thoughts that may be the source of your rage. That technique is amazingly effective to get in a few hours to the source of painful repressed memories.
Maybe the above or EFT.
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alix
USA
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Posted - 01/05/2013 : 20:14:41
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tennis tom,
I believe that there is a difference. NET is to discover the memories that have been repressed while EFT is to get rid of the negative impact those memories have on you once you have identified them. In some ways EFT can be complimentary to NET. In short, NET to discover and EFT to erase.
I am not trying to make a case for any of those practices here, just trying to distinguish the claims. |
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pspa123
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Posted - 01/05/2013 : 20:34:36
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Is this the same NET? If so it seems to be something invented by and primarily practiced by chiropractors?
"The Power of the Home Run Formula
NET uses the Home Run Formula model as a way of categorizing health into four general areas. This model provides the practitioner with an innovative, yet time-proven method of analyzing and helping patients.
NET practitioners are trained to use The Home Run Formula model, with 1st base representing Emotional/stress-related factors, 2nd base representing the effects of toxins on the body, 3rd base representing nutritional needs, and 4th base representing structural needs.
Although we find stress to be a big component of health, it is very important to understand that any problem can include factors of the other bases, and it is necessary to address all factors related to one’s health.
1st base represents emotional or stress-related factors, and NET is one of the approaches used to help patients.
2nd base represents the effects of toxins on the body (things that are in the body and should not be there). Specific homeopathic support can help many cases where there is a toxic condition. Drs. Scott and Deb Walker have developed a special line of NET Remedies® for patient support during the healing process.
3rd base represents biochemistry or the nutrition factor of health (things that should be in the body and may be less than adequate). Diet and specific nutritional support may need to be addressed.
4th base represents structural and physical corrections. This factor is addressed relative to the practitioner’s field of expertise." |
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alix
USA
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Posted - 01/05/2013 : 21:33:47
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pspa,
There is so much mumbo jumbo around NET. It seems that every practitioner feels obliged to add some twist to it depending on what their original training is. I just took what was relevant to finding repressed memories and completely ignored the rest.
Have a look here:
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Back2-It
USA
438 Posts |
Posted - 01/05/2013 : 23:08:36
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This topic again intersects with my position that there are SOME people, usually longer-term sufferers, who need a better understanding of what anxiety/TMS/anger/ what- have- you does to a body. Their body. Their specific symptom. Especially when following the advice to resume normal activity.
If a "TMS" Doctor is to say you are fine; yet you are exhibiting hypotonic muscles and referred pain, and you have no knowledge of this anatomy effect, then when you start to accept and follow the given advice, and you experience what is foreign and frightening and not known in your sphere of knowledge, then you run the very high chance of frightening yourself into disbelief and further fear and anxiety.
Mind and Body. Again, mind and body. The allopathic doctor sees a herniated disc or a "muscle imbalance" and the cure is surgery or some kind of exercise or medication -- or all of it. A "TMS" doctor looks at you, listens to your case history, maybe lay hands on you, and you are pronounced healthy. Yes, I am healthy, but please explain why my rigid paraspinals will sometimes refer pain to my chest and abdomen, or my rectus muscles to my back? How in the hell am I -- a marketing guy-- suppose to know this?
For those personality types -- and they are not generally the TMS type-- they will conclude the TMS white coat is right. Especially if their affliction has been short.
Ultimately, it is changing your thinking and maybe your life situation, as all the wise posters have insisted; and sticking with a plan and living a worthwhile and productive life; but when you are faced with something as foreign as your own body (sounds silly, no?), some need more knowledge and explanation of the physical effects of chronic or acute anxiety.
If it were as simple as waving a magic wand and advising sufferers that their pain is real but caused by anxious and intrusive thoughts, the "success" side of this forum would be maxed out.
Dr. Sarno is right: knowledge is the cure. Anxiety and anger are part of the problem, along with fear of symptoms, but what is so hard for a TMS doc to explain the symptoms, unless it is lack knowledge of muscular-skeletal anatomy? Or not sufficient knowledge of some of the other TMS/anxiety problems, such as IBS and GERD? If they do not know, find out and tell the suffering soul.
Explain what TMS/anxiety does do a body, specifically, and what they might expect, specifically as possible, upon the road to recovery.
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alix
USA
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Posted - 01/06/2013 : 00:06:46
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Good post back2-it.
Dr.Sarno advises psychotherapy when there is a lack of progress. It is what I did. I contacted Don Dubin. During one session Don asked me if I had a trauma during childhood. I choked. I had a panic attack. I could not say a word. I knew that I had behavioral issues until I was 6. But no amount of journaling or psychotherapy managed to help. I just could not recall any traumatic event. It is where NET helped me immensely discover the mystery of this traumatic event and put it to rest for good. In the grand scheme of things, I cannot tell you how important that discovery was but it sure brought closure and relief. |
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Sandy
Australia
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Posted - 10/20/2015 : 04:07:12
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Hi Alix,
I know this is not a recent thread but I just wanted to say thank you for sharing your story. It has been very helpful to me as I begin to tackle my own diagnosis of PN with TMS,
Sandy
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