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filipe
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 Posted - 10/19/2015 : 15:51:21
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Can you explain me more about what this study means?
http://drmortonwalker.com/2012/10/no-benefit-from-debilitating-lymph-node-surgery-as-cancer-treatment-for-some-breast-cancers/
When should one do Lynph nodes Dissection? Should we try to avoid it?
Should we try a diferente DR?
what does the sudy shows really? My wife has several swelled nodes... chemo didn't affect them... They did not shrink... what does it means? Isn't this normal... if the cancer is still there, so I guess nodes should be enlarged because they are doing their job... can you please explain me? I'm getting nuts...
And what are the real danger, from taking all of them? Cancer spread, pain, edema of the arm?
Thanks
Filipe :( |
Edited by - filipe on 10/19/2015 15:57:29 |
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marsha
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Posted - 10/19/2015 : 16:36:45
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Filipe,
I understand how much you love your wife and how important it is that she recovers. You are running around in circles. Sit down, make a list of all your questions and concerns and find a doctor who can answer them. Every case is different and you can't control the outcome. You must trust your doctor and move ahead.
Life doesn't always present itself with easy situations and decisions. Trust your instincts, be supportive and try no matter how difficult it is to relax. All of your anxiety cannot be good for your wife.
You sound like a good and intelligent man. Trust yourself.
Marsha ( breast cancer survivor 4 years ) |
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filipe
Portugal
280 Posts |
Posted - 10/19/2015 : 17:17:13
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Thanks for your kind words Marsha.
I feel responsible for what happened to my wife. I'm sure I could help her if conventional medicine didn't urge her to make a decision. I always thought my wife would understand that cancer is TMS. I always thought I could help her with the right info. I'm more scared of the cure than of the cancer itself. I'm really concernd that the path she have chosen, isn't the right one. I don't want her to have scars for the rest of her life. I cannot stand whatching her suffering, and our son suffering because of what migth happen to her. I don't want her to have problems with her arms. I'm also affraid that remiving the lymph node might in fact, weakens her imune system.
I don't want my son to think I din't do anything I can to help her. I really think she made a bad choice. I know that cancer is just a distraction, or a TMS equivalent.
By the way MArsha, did you remove your lymph nodes? Are you fine? I learn not to trust your Dr, because they lie.
Filipe |
Edited by - filipe on 10/19/2015 17:20:53 |
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Ace1
USA
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Posted - 10/19/2015 : 17:43:00
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| Hi Filipe, the study only applies to up to 3 lymph nodes that have cancer in them microscopically after a senitinal lymph node biopsy. It also applies only if she will get radiation later. It does not apply to lymph nodes that are already enlarged that you can feel with your hand. Those are usually removed just in case. Yes there is a chance of arm swelling afterwards but if you see it start to swell, you have to take her to get it treated right away to prevent worsening. I understand your concern but I would do both tms and standard treatment, so you don't regret not trying everything. |
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filipe
Portugal
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Posted - 10/20/2015 : 00:22:06
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Thank you Ace.
Don't you think Cancer is TMS? Most of the natural cancer cures, and also conventional medicine cures, has something in common: will of power, or the power of the mind. Even people that been through conventional medicine, cure them selves because of the way they faced cancer, and not because of the treatmente itself. The people that I knew that died from cancer, died because they got scared...
I don't understand, Ace, don't lymph nodes get normal again, when cancer disappear? For instances if someone cured is cancer natural, don't lymph nodes disenlarged afterwards?
Also, I dont understand why people says I'm a "breast cancer survivor". This indicates that we are victims of deseases. That deseases aere something we should fight...
For instances, I don't think I'm a Chronic pain Survivor. I think I'm a "Chronic Painer" previous misinformed and deceived by modern medicine, onde understtood this, I cured myself.
I see siurgery for cancer, the same way as I see surgery for back pain. A Lie, and a placebo.
Hers is a story of a breast cancer survivor:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GYljTes1fus
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MSjQYQt-PRw
All of my woman friends have lumps in their breast, I bet if they do more exams, if they research further, they found out it is cancer.
Thanks
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Edited by - filipe on 10/20/2015 00:37:41 |
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marsha
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Posted - 10/20/2015 : 11:03:15
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Filipe,
Not everything is TMS and even if it was I wouldn't wait around for a TMS resolution if I had cancer. Cancer can spread faster than changing your brain. I had 5 lymph nodes removed. My arm is fine. I have a scar along the side of my right breast. Who cares? I am alive.
I have suffered a long time with pain. All my life off and on. This time I was sure again that it was a TMS relapse. My pain worsened , my ability to walk unassisted was gone and the pain was excruciating. So I started to explore medical options and discovered that I have severe osteoarthritis in my hips . I saw the ex rays and my hips were covered with arthritis that it prevented me from living.
I am having hip replacement surgery in a few weeks and hope to get back to living. Not everything isTMS. Dr. Sarno and other TMS doctors believe this.
Life happens. We can't change that.
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filipe
Portugal
280 Posts |
Posted - 10/20/2015 : 13:25:07
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MARSHA LISTEN:
1st: NOBODY DIES FROM BREAST CANCER (even conventional medicine agrees on it) Look here:
http://www.metavivor.org/awareness/
2nd: CANCER DOESN'T SPREAD.
If you beleive cancer spreads, you are ignoring the power of the Symptom Imperactive... hence you don't beleive in Sarnp's theories..
Maybe you'll be alife too if you stop being affraid. If you just let it go, accept life... If you live in fear, than you will be sick... Marsha, I'm telling you the truth. The simple explanaition is usualy the correct one :) Now, I cannot passa this to my wife, because whe doesn't trust me...
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marsha
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filipe
Portugal
280 Posts |
Posted - 10/20/2015 : 14:48:50
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Marsha thanks for sayng that your surgery went well. It really made me feel better :)
Don't be angry with me :). The first part of your recovery is to beleive...
Thanks again,
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filipe
Portugal
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andy64tms
USA
589 Posts |
Posted - 10/21/2015 : 19:26:01
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I am not sure I want to get too involved with this thread at the moment, but just popped in to wish Filipe all the best.
I have followed your threads for several months and went through the same difficulties you are having. This was regarding my sister in laws rare PNP cancer two years ago. Tom would remember, I felt the deep need to help and researched for information all over the internet. In the end it I realized offering her this Information would be detrimental. She is not the least bit psychological and shuns the emotional stuff.
I believe people that have TMS knowledge are very privileged, but we have to learn and accept other people’s point of view, as to not do so would drive us crazy.
I found myself doing the same with my wife last year with her knee replacement, but had to back off. Her surgery was not about me and what I wanted or thought. She was in charge of her recovery and she needed my help through the deepest pain I have ever seen. She recovered well and is having the other knee replaced next week.
Filipe, I know first-hand many woman that have done well with the conventional treatment. Many Cancer centers embrace the psychological side of recovery. I have attached a pertinent link from the Nursing Cancer Forum.
Abstract from Nursing Cancer
The aim of the investigation was to study psychological and psychosocial aspects of breast cancer. A literature search was done covering the period 1989-1992. The following research areas were studied: the relationship between psychological characteristics and breast cancer, and between psychosocial interventions and breast cancer; quality of life after breast cancer surgery and treatment; and the relationship between social support and breast cancer. The results showed that the medical community is divided into "believers" and "nonbelievers" with respect to whether or not psychosocial factors influence breast cancer outcomes. One of the best predictors of a woman's postcancer adjustment is her psychological state before the breast cancer. The results also showed that the difference in psychological outcome between mastectomy and breast-con-serving surgery was small and nonsignificant. Another finding was that the social context and social support from partner, family, friends, relatives and medical professions are important for survival. In conclusion, methodological problems were common in studying psychological and psychosocial aspects of breast cancer.
(C) Lippincott-Raven Publishers.
Good luck Filpe, like you I will soon be nursing a wife.
Andy
Past TMS Experience in 2000, with success.
Charlie Horse on neck for 20 years, is almost gone.
Books:
Healing Back Pain
Unlearn your Pain
The Great Pain Deception |
Edited by - andy64tms on 10/21/2015 19:30:29 |
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filipe
Portugal
280 Posts |
Posted - 10/22/2015 : 01:25:55
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Thanks for replying Andy64 :)
My problem is simple: I just don't want my son to think, that I haven't done everything I can to help her mother. I'M SURE CANCER IS TMS. I'M SURE. Why? Because I spent the last 4 month studying the subject, and because of my experience with chronic pain, and TMS my self. If you surf the web, you see people with TMS, not knowing about it, that develope strange and scary, but measurable symptoms. I did na exam and it revealed reduced blood flow to my arms. At that time I panic, because I did not know about TMS. There are people with their lymbs amputated, bacause they think their problem is real, and phisical, so they juts don't move their limbs, they don't promote oxygen to the área- They think blood flow is reduced because of some sort of mesterious desease. Anorexy, for instances, is a psychosomatic issue, and look what it does to your body? If you Forget the cause of it, you don't dure yourself from it.
When I try t explain things to my wife, she seems to understand, but she is not really paing attention. She ends, to my surprise, saying well chronic pain is diferent from Fibro, etc... If Drs say it is a desease, than it is... because in her view, they studied, for many years the subject, and she beleives the idea that all is sietificly proven. All theories, have been proven. The thing is: She trust her Dr, she doesn't trust me. Never underestimate, the power of a whitecoat.
Again thanks :)
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tennis tom
USA
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Posted - 10/22/2015 : 09:20:07
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quote:
Originally posted by filipe
Never underestimate, the power of a whitecoat.
They are our shamans. |
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