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pspa123
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 Posted - 12/05/2012 : 21:11:16
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| One reads much suggesting chronic pain is an epidemic, much more prevalent today than in the past. If much of this pain is TMS, and TMS is caused by (using shorthand) unresolved emotional issues, then why would there be a modern epidemic? Aren't the types of emotional issues to which we attribute pain here issues that would have been just as prevalent throughout human history, or at least ones that would not have sprouted up in recent years? Any explanation would be helpful. |
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tennis tom
USA
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Posted - 12/05/2012 : 22:49:43
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| TMS is a luxury of the modern era. Until about a hundred years ago people survived by having to use their bodies. They could not afford to not move or they would starve. Today we can make a comfortable living by sitting in a chair, we've lost touch with how strong the body really is, if we can't move the government will provide--don't expect this situation to last forever--gravity always wins. |
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ron213
Israel
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Posted - 12/06/2012 : 04:32:22
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i think today more than ever you are exposed to much more information, and in particular social information. in short to a lot more pressure.
just think on a 3 years old boy, his parents are filming him, then they watch the film together, ppl react to the film. the 3 years old see himself in the film and see their reactions. this makes him much more aware about his own appearance very early.
facebook, twiter cellphones, TV, newspapers, are all tools for us to maintain connection with society. they allow you to take a glimpse on how others are doing#1514; how they live (by comparesment) and how they view you, and influence dramatically on how you view yourself and others.
you form a lot of connections about what is good or bad, what you should want or do, or want to do, based on that information alone.
because there are much more connections, there is a lot more room for conflicts to be created. which is what tms is all about imo. |
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balto
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Posted - 12/06/2012 : 04:55:18
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IMO, isolation, loneliness is what push the tms/anxiety rate much higher. In the old day, after work, people hang out in their front porch, kids play outdoor with other kids, everyone communicate face to face. Now people spend their time alone in front of their television watching 100+ channels, kid play alone with their electronics, and people texting each other.
No bonding, no sharing, no emotional support, no feeling of belonging to a tribe... -> tms, anxiety, panic...
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No, I don't know everything. I'm just here to share my experience. |
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eric watson
USA
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Posted - 12/06/2012 : 06:24:38
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these r all great responses,
yes we have all the time in the world now to live inside our heads
and think about any little body ailment as a major cause to see the dr
were told to see the dr about everything
i had a red spot appear on my shoulder about a yr ago
after searching the web ,i concluded it was skin cancer from all my yrs working as a roofer in the sun
imagine how i was living inside my head then and thinking about my body
after i learned about tms healing-the red spot that was getting worse is just nothing now
it has healed fine
this is how we in the modern age develope tms symptoms |
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tennis tom
USA
4749 Posts |
Posted - 12/06/2012 : 08:52:21
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| Bombardment by media to create fear out of nothing, to sell us useless snake oyls and treatments. |
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pspa123
672 Posts |
Posted - 12/06/2012 : 11:07:03
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| Perhaps I misunderstood Dr. Sarno, but if unconscious rage is the source of TMS pain, why would unconscious rage be any greater today, it seems inherent in the human condition? The phenomena folks have talked about so far seem to be more things that would affect our conscious minds? I am not being critical just trying to understand. |
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andy64tms
USA
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Posted - 12/06/2012 : 11:10:03
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I love all the responses
The anxiety response that we all have designed to protect was never intended to deal with the stresses of modern day.
We live in an era of continual fear created by our modern surroundings. Fear and anxiety is created by Insurance companies, politics, religion and indeed our disgraceful human history that depict wars in a visual glorious fashion. The list goes on and on. No wonder we have a modern epidemic of pain!
To survive in this world today you have to abide by the rules of today. If we really want to be happy we should try living like the Kalahari Bushmen portrayed in the 80’s movie. “The Gods Must be Crazy”. This comedy will bring joy, humor and understanding to any ardent TMSer.
Andy
Past TMS Experience in 2000, with success.
Back on Wiki Edu Program day 15
Charlie Horse on neck for 20 years. (to be evicted later.)
Books:
Healing Back Pain
Unlearn your Pain
The Great Pain Deception |
Edited by - andy64tms on 12/06/2012 19:03:36 |
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andy64tms
USA
589 Posts |
Posted - 12/06/2012 : 11:36:21
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Hi Pspa123
The topics on this thread affect our subconscious via conscious thoughts. If I remember correctly Dr. Sarno says the rage is so unbearable, in order to survive we hide it and suppress it in denial. He says we don’t even know about it. I also think people in the past lived in simpler times, with less to worry about, and less time to actually do the worrying.
Andy
Past TMS Experience in 2000, with success.
Back on Wiki Edu Program day 15
Charlie Horse on neck for 20 years. (to be evicted later.)
Books:
Healing Back Pain
Unlearn your Pain
The Great Pain Deception |
Edited by - andy64tms on 12/06/2012 11:36:57 |
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pspa123
672 Posts |
Posted - 12/06/2012 : 11:49:59
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| Andy as I understood Dr. Sarno's theories, he was talking at least in part about unconscious emotions with their origins in childhood -anger, fear, sorrow, etc. that are unacceptable to the conscious mind so it creates a distraction, pain. Those emotions with deep roots would seem to me to be mostly independent of any increased stresses of modern life, and would seem to me to be inherent in the human condition. Indeed, just as a matter of timing, my childhood was 40-50 years ago now, for example. So I remain confused, and it may well be my poor ability to understand. |
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andy64tms
USA
589 Posts |
Posted - 12/06/2012 : 12:50:23
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Hi Pspa123,
This is interesting. Is TMS distracting you and making you ask questions that perhaps have no definitive answer? Sub conscious emotions don’t have to be childhood in origin, for example they could be about a nasty divorce.
Also in my opinion you can have any combination of reasons for TMS pain, as I wrote in this post called “Look at your Three Pees”.
http://www.tmshelp.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=7787&SearchTerms=three,pees
I had just discovered that my “Personality” was in my TMS mix. Deep in my sub-conscious TMS had done a good job of hiding this from me.
Andy
Past TMS Experience in 2000, with success.
Back on Wiki Edu Program day 15
Charlie Horse on neck for 20 years. (to be evicted later.)
Books:
Healing Back Pain
Unlearn your Pain
The Great Pain Deception |
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SteveO
USA
272 Posts |
Posted - 12/06/2012 : 16:50:50
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This is a good topic and one we discuss quite often. We certainly do have an epidemic. Yes, they had all kinds of pains and problems in the past, but it's rising. I use the North Carolina study often in interviews as just one example.
One reason it rises is due to the faulty diagnosis. When they errantly tell you that you have this disorder, or now need to manage this or that, etc...they codify the problem, giving it tangible reality by framing your new reality. You then adapt to match that new belief.
TTom is right, it's a modern thingy, in the past there wasn't as many high-tech gadgets to cripple us with, they just went back to work and their brains often shifted symptoms to another area, and life went on. Today, in all our genius, we have created what Dr. Sarno rightfully calls a nation of the partially disabled. Through thinking the answers are on the outside, they lost the person in the healing equation, and the problem elevates because the person is the answer to the problem; not spinal injections, or the cutting of a disc, or scoping of a knee. These things are based on the faulty diagnosis, and are making the problems worse.
BaltO, my long lost brother, has also hit on a great point, probably through his own experience. My book focuses on this isolation problem too. When we are given a bad diagnosis we turn inward. If I can get people to get back to living and socializing they do much better than hiding away in disgrace. Socializing and staying involved means being connected. Today we isolate our lives with video games and cubicles and headphones and alcohol/drugs--and of course texting. Anything to hide behind--to avoid being rejected once again. Our greatest fear is isolation and rejection is a form of isolation. When given a bad diagnosis we feel isolated. This is why forums help, but they can also slow healing.
Steve |
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chronic pain -- is it an epidemic
