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A word of explanation: I stay away from the forums, as I mentioned, because I freely admit that I am susceptible to suggestions at this point. Not so much as before, but I am not years away from the pain cure and from understanding anxiety. And the wisest contributers on here strongly advise to get on with your life and live it and keep to a plan.

>>True
>>often times we need to apply what we learn

As far as addictive personalities and TMS/anxiety, I think it is too broad a statement to say that many or most people who suffer it have addictive personalities. How are you going to work on a person's mind if they are, essentially, out of their minds?

>>>That's a funny statement cuz most TMS'ers have additive personalities to start off with.
If im not mistaken it was one of the discoveries Sarno made learning about Tms mode
Mercola, I'm sorry. He is the Medical Black e-Hole appearing on your screen each morning, warning you that one more drink of tap water and that's it for you, buddy. Fear sells. He is light on scientific proof and will hawk his branded supplement every chance. Not to say that he does not provide some nuggets of truth, but a stopped clock is right twice per day as well.


>>>>He's not all about the money and blatantly lies to cash in. Thats what the REAL enemy does. BIG Pharma /Vaccine manufactures)
His objection is health and well being and to educate the public in how to get better yourself.




>>>Just keep in mind all the good guys out there . But mostly who wants to stop all the whistle blowers. The are many GOOD resources to cross check claims and or scientific research in the health field

For example VRP ( vitamin research products) . They come out with allot of well documented research, you can use them as a cross reference any time.

>>>>Off course like any good research and making informed choices we take not one reference as all Gospel . Its up to use to do the investigative work to find out if products Drugs , supplements are good quality, help with specific conditions and or for better health. and preventive maintenance

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There is no template for cure; each person must structure his own, once they understand what is going on. Sadly, many pain-wracked people never understand their problem.

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As far as addictive personalities and TMS/anxiety, I think it is too broad a statement to say that many or most people who suffer it have addictive personalities. How are you going to work on a person's mind if they are, essentially, out of their minds?

[b]>>>That's a funny statement cuz most TMS'ers have additive personalities to start off with.

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Originally posted by kenny V


As far as addictive personalities and TMS/anxiety, I think it is too broad a statement to say that many or most people who suffer it have addictive personalities. How are you going to work on a person's mind if they are, essentially, out of their minds?

[b]>>>That's a funny statement cuz most TMS'ers have additive personalities to start off with.

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I don't understand? What part is the funny part? The part about somebody being so in a panic that they cannot function because thoughts of demise or disease are the only film roll playing, with then somebody then telling them that their condition is psychogenic? Will somebody in that condition suddenly grasp that and say, "hey,doc,your right. I'm going to stop the panic attack now and settle in with HBP.". I only wish it were that way for so many. While there is a definite anti-med attitude for many, I cannot fathom trying to reason with a person who is convinced in the next moment that they will die; or, worse, even, have everlasting horrific pain and trying to wrap your racing thoughts around that. Dr. Weekes talks about the "snap out of it crowd", and the problem that presents to a person who would love to "snap out of it". That is why I suggested that for SOME, meds should be the first line of attack and not the last. Nipped in the bud, with the ability to be calm and rational (with chemical help) might stop a person from re-programming a normal bodily sensation into a crippling situation.

The other part about Dr. Sarno concluding that all TMS/anxiety people are addictive in their personalities -- I just do not see that. He has worked with the baker and candlestick maker, and people who were from all walks of life. He did not note that, in addition to their back pain or constant headaches or whatever, that they came staggering into the office with whiskey on their breath. If an addictive personality were a prominent point in the dx and "cure", then I would think more attention would have been brought to it. Ah, yes, Jim X cured has back pain, tossed away the bottle and is now running marathons.

What I think is more correct is to say that SOME TMS/anxiety patients have an obsessive personality. In my opinion, there is a difference.

"Bridges Freeze Before Roads"

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Originally posted by kenny V


As far as addictive personalities and TMS/anxiety, I think it is too broad a statement to say that many or most people who suffer it have addictive personalities. How are you going to work on a person's mind if they are, essentially, out of their minds?

[b]>>>That's a funny statement cuz most TMS'ers have additive personalities to start off with.

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I don't understand? What part is the funny part? The part about somebody being so in a panic that they cannot function because thoughts of demise or disease are the only film roll playing, with then somebody then telling them that their condition is psychogenic? Will somebody in that condition suddenly grasp that and say, "hey,doc,your right. I'm going to stop the panic attack now and settle in with HBP.". I only wish it were that way for so many. While there is a definite anti-med attitude for many, I cannot fathom trying to reason with a person who is convinced in the next moment that they will die; or, worse, even, have everlasting horrific pain and trying to wrap your racing thoughts around that. Dr. Weekes talks about the "snap out of it crowd", and the problem that presents to a person who would love to "snap out of it". That is why I suggested that for SOME, meds should be the first line of attack and not the last. Nipped in the bud, with the ability to be calm and rational (with chemical help) might stop a person from re-programming a normal bodily sensation into a crippling situation.

The other part about Dr. Sarno concluding that all TMS/anxiety people are addictive in their personalities -- I just do not see that. He has worked with the baker and candlestick maker, and people who were from all walks of life. He did not note that, in addition to their back pain or constant headaches or whatever, that they came staggering into the office with whiskey on their breath. If an addictive personality were a prominent point in the dx and "cure", then I would think more attention would have been brought to it. Ah, yes, Jim X cured has back pain, tossed away the bottle and is now running marathons.

What I think is more correct is to say that SOME TMS/anxiety patients have an obsessive personality. In my opinion, there is a difference.

"Bridges Freeze Before Roads"

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I get your point ,
OK but what I meant by funny is most addicts not all ( folks who suffer from an addiction) have multiple addictive behaviors . Thats why If not RECOVERED they continue on in a cycle similar to the un-recovered TMSer. . And the recovery or process is not finsished because they have not admitted their addiction and want change .

I believe TMSers alike have this similar addictive behaviors because TMS is a cycle So one that not yet recovered has not broken its cycle , perhaps uncovered the underlying condition. Then continue in its pattern of destruction., therefore its holding them back from the truth .
Or distracting them , holding hostage and the like from ridding the real problem that they should be dealing with.

Hope that made more sense.
An alcoholic first must believe they have a problem and realize how its destroying their life and even folks around them. The must realize they have an addiction and break its cycle.. But must get down to the nitty gritty of why they drink? Why they abused it in the first place without blaming in on something else other than themselves.




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I get your point ,
OK but what I meant by funny is most addicts not all ( folks who suffer from an addiction) have multiple addictive behaviors . Thats why If not RECOVERED they continue on in a cycle similar to the un-recovered TMSer. . And the recovery or process is not finsished because they have not admitted their addiction and want change .

I believe TMSers alike have this similar addictive behaviors because TMS is a cycle So one that not yet recovered has not broken its cycle , perhaps uncovered the underlying condition. Then continue in its pattern of destruction., therefore its holding them back from the truth .
Or distracting them , holding hostage and the like from ridding the real problem that they should be dealing with.

Hope that made more sense.
An alcoholic first must believe they have a problem and realize how its destroying their life and even folks around them. The must realize they have an addiction and break its cycle.. But must get down to the nitty gritty of why they drink? Why they abused it in the first place without blaming in on something else other than themselves.




Always Hope For Recovery

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Hi Kenny V and Back2- it,

Addiction:
I gave up alcohol 28 years ago and smoking 44 years hence. Indeed these were multiple addictive behaviors. An addiction being “substance dependant” and mind controlling etc. I have no other addictions.

Obsessiveness: Being obsessive is also one of my traits, not necessary harmful, but can cause inner resentment and anger, and has done so with me. My obsessivness is less serious and bothersome compared to addiction. It needs dealing with and is tied in with my perfectionism, frustration and low level anger-anxiety. Obsession is a personality trait and doesn’t require a substance to exist.

Love:
My love is for my wife, family and life. I would admit to being obsessed with windsurfing and am always seeking balance.

I don’t take offense at “funny” or “funny peculiar” as mind body is funny and peculiar. I had to take some blame and responsibility on myself for all of the above, and had to face the issues to overcome them. To this day I am pleased satisfied and even proud to have overcome Smoking and Alcohol in lieu of an early death.

Overcoming Smoking, Alcohol and my 2000 TMS recovery are the foundations of my belief in Mind body and TMS. I never took care of the mind issues and nitty-gritty involving the above, as the reasons are broad, intense and varied and remain in the depths of my soul.

That’s why I am here, thanks for prompting me to journal here.

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