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Birdie78
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 Posted - 08/22/2012 : 00:28:20
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Hi everybody,
since a few weeks I have some funny kind of conditioning. My biceps muscle was in spasm and meanwhile I accidental yawned. Well, in every time I am yawning now my biceps falls in spasm making my forarm to jolt up to the upper arm. Beside the fact that it feels not really comfortable and is also painful it's just annoying and looks really stupid 
But, it's not the baddest thing that could have happened to me. So I was able to comprehend how fast conditioning is coming about! Sure, I read about that conditioning thing...I too have the condition that pain always increases in the same situations (sitting on hard chairs and in the car increases my piriformis-pain, standing in the long line in the supermarket increases my foot pain, pc-work increases my arm-pain, riding the bike increases my knee-pain  ).
I think I now have the opportunity to learn how to undo a more harmless conditioning.
I am really new at this TMS thing and would be glad about some advices how to learn undoing this conditioning, beginning with the easier homework: my "yawning arm"
Of course I am reading TMS-books,too. But it takes me a long time to read a few sides due to my lack of English vocabulary and grammar. So I don't come along with reading as fast as I wished.
Thanks a lot!!!
Wishes,
Birdie
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Bugbear
United Kingdom
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Posted - 08/22/2012 : 01:48:08
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Hi Birdie,
When I notice that one of my symptoms is allegedly caused by the same action or occurs at specific times, I like to consider why. For instance I used to get back ache every time I went for a drive with my husband in his boy-toy convertible. I wasn't very happy when he bought this car. It took him years to pay off the loan even though it was bought second-hand. The car has been a complete money pit always needing very expensive repairs. We can do without this extra expense given that husband has lost his job at least twice since buying the car. Also his driving annoys me and sometimes frightens me. I noticed a short while ago that when I am in the passenger seat that I really tense up my body. All of this is undoubtedly causing the back pain. It is not caused by just sitting in the car seat.
As for your yawning arm, just laugh at it. Don't show it any undue attention or fear. It will get bored eventually and clear off. Some of your symptoms may just be non-sensical. Others can make perfect sense, like standing in a line at the supermarket. You may be in a hurry, want to be doing other things, annoyed at the people taking so long packing their shopping, annoyed at the check-out person who won't stop chatting, annoyed at yourself for choosing this particular line. Ask me how I know this?! Where you feel the pain doesn't really matter. It could strike anywhere. What matters is the cause of your tension which in turn is causing you pain.
I hope this is understandable to you given the language barrier. I admire you for writing on an English language forum.
Best wishes, Birdie.
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drh7900
USA
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Posted - 08/22/2012 : 08:08:15
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This may be nit-picky, but I feel the need to say that from a TMS perspective, you don't really start with any one given symptom...if you have several symptoms...and they've all been ruled out by a doctor as something medically serious, then it's likely safe to assume they are TMS or an equivalent. That said...they ALL have the same cause...your mind. So don't start with a symptom...start with TMS. Starting with "fighting" or "combating" a single symptom is counter-productive, because you're then focused on the symptom which is what the brain wants. To recover from TMS, you must change your focus to your emotions rather than the symptoms. If you have several symptoms, you should treat them all the same...change your focus. Work through them as you can, think psychologically, etc.
Bugbear's statement "Where you feel the pain doesn't really matter. It could strike anywhere. What matters is the cause of your tension which in turn is causing you pain" is spot on.
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tennis tom
USA
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Posted - 08/22/2012 : 08:32:27
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Great discussion here about conditioning, I'm getting a lot out of it and think I'm conditioned to my hip hurting as soon as I step foot on a tennis court--bad for a tennis player! But, can we cut to the chase here and what's really important to me here. Bugbear, what kind of car did your husband buy? Is it a stick or an automatic? Do you get to drive it? What color is it?
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drh7900
USA
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Posted - 08/22/2012 : 09:02:33
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Originally posted by tennis tom
But, can we cut to the chase here and what's really important to me here. Bugbear, what kind of car did your husband buy? Is it a stick or an automatic? Do you get to drive it? What color is it?
That really made me chuckle, TT. Thanks for that!
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Bugbear
United Kingdom
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Posted - 08/22/2012 : 10:17:03
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| Hell yes, TT. If I am going to suffer the financial consequences, I am certainly going to drive it. No pain there, just fun, fun, fun until her daddy takes the T-bird away. Except it's an Audi A4, silver with black soft top. Automatic. Not overly exciting. Now my elder daughter's brand new company car is another matter. Gun metal grey BMW 1 series stick shift with all the bells and whistles you could whistle at. Not a convertible though. Husband's reasoning for getting a convertible was that he gets claustrophobic in cars. Weren't we talking about conditioning? |
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Birdie78
Germany
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Posted - 08/22/2012 : 12:55:07
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This may be nit-picky, but I feel the need to say that from a TMS perspective, you don't really start with any one given symptom
Of course it isn't nit-picky! I asked for advise and I am thankful for every advice as I am very unsettled how to handly my TMS. Unfortunately we don't have any TMS doctors in Germany and normal doctors often tend to overestimate findings from MRI (my feet show inflammation in the MRI, but who knows if there aren't findings of inflammation in other people feet who have no pain?). My former doctor told me not to walk more than a quarter mile. Although if I know that this kind of "inflammation" is probably not the cause of my pain it has a big influence to me. Know what I mean? Would be more helpful for me to get the diagnoses from a TMS doctor telling me that's definitely TMS.
Well, so I have to convince my self.
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drh7900
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Posted - 08/22/2012 : 15:25:08
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Originally posted by Birdie78
Although if I know that this kind of "inflammation" is probably not the cause of my pain it has a big influence to me. Know what I mean? Would be more helpful for me to get the diagnoses from a TMS doctor telling me that's definitely TMS.
Consider this...because this may help change your perspective...perhaps there is inflammation and perhaps it is the cause of the pain...BUT...what is the cause of the inflammation? I know that Sarno says in most cases it's not inflammation at all, but in the event that doctors are adamant that there is inflammation...ok...so WHY is there inflammation? If there's not a serious medical reason, then perhaps it's TMS...and continue forward as such.
I hope that statement helps rather than hurts the perspective. If it damages the perspective, ignore it...we're here to help each other...not confuse one another!
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How can I undo this "funny" conditioning?
