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Badd825
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 Posted - 06/21/2012 : 13:14:49
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I've successfully healed myself with Dr. Sarno's Healing Back Pain years ago. I've been diagnosed with fibromyalgia, GERD, IBS, eczema ans asthma. I had a pinched nerve in my neck and that's when I read his book. I definitely have tms but this time I'm confused because my symptoms involve soft tissue damage. I had 2 clots removed from hemorrhoids back in December. Ive had this procedure done 4 times over the last seventeen years ( result of pregnancy, the joys of motherhood). I've always healed but this is not the case this time. I have constant rectal pain. The first colorectal surgeon I saw said I was very tight and had spasms which prevented blood flow to the area preventing me from healing. He injected botox 3 months ago with no relief. The 2nd doctor I saw told me it was a fissure and to give botox more time to work. I saw a 3rd dr last week. He saw hemorrhoids but thought my pain could be more from levator ani spasms which he thinks is a result of the pain and trauma I've undergone in the area. He's treating me with Valium to try and stop spasms and pain meds. I'm feeling a little better but wonder if this is all tms and I'm afraid that treating symptoms will prevent me from healing. I ordered unlearn your pain from dr schubiner I emailed him my situation and he said soft tissue damage is not tms but spasms could be. All this has confused me tremendously. Dr schubiner said to treat soft tissue. But Valium is treating spasms but they could be from soft tissue damage. I'm a hamster on a wheel! Any advice? Btw I couldn't get through all the exercises in unlearn your pain. I decided to see a therapist to help me with my issues!!!!! |
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drh7900
USA
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Posted - 06/21/2012 : 15:12:45
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The main words I pick out of your post are pain, trauma, and spasm. You also said that one doctor said the spasms were preventing blood flow to the area preventing healing...According to Sarno's literature, spasms are the RESULT of reduced blood flow. And, I'm sorry, but the 2nd doctor said to give the botox more time to work (after 3 months have passed?)...that sounds ridiculous to me...but I'm no doctor.
My 2 cents...it SOUNDS like TMS...at least the spasm part. The soft tissue damage is a different issue and I don't know anything about that...if Schubiner (who is a TMS doc) says to treat soft tissue, I would follow his advice...but I don't know what that means, either. I don't really know what "soft tissue damage" means or how long pain from that can actually last. With the amount of attention that has been on this area, it would stand to reason that TMS could manifest there.
I wish I had some more useful advice...I don't...other than this...you already know you have a history of TMS. ALL of those diagnoses you listed are TMS or TMS equivalents according to Sarno (did you heal from all of them?). According to Sarno, chronic pain in the absence of something more medically serious is almost always TMS. If you have decided to see a therapist to help with your issues, you obviously still have some emotional healing to do...keep with that...don't give up on treating the spasms as TMS...and perhaps through TMS healing, the soft tissue damage will be allowed to heal when the blood flows properly again.
Oh...and people are going to start thinking I'm a PR rep for SteveO or something with as often as I recommend this...but you should read his book "The Great Pain Deception" by Steven Ray Ozanich...it's a great book and he recovered from 27 years of all kinds of chronic stuff...those of us on the forum who have read it have all loved it (at least I haven't heard of anyone who hasn't so far...)
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Badd825
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Posted - 06/21/2012 : 19:18:30
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I have successfully gotten most of my symptoms under control. Like most of us here, I'm a work in progress. I still have the hemorrhoids which could be causing some of my pain
I do believe however that the spasms are the bulk of my pain. What has me confused is that the doctor said the trauma from having clots removed and still having hemorrhoids are what's causing spasms. This is where my confusion comes in. Can these spasms heal if I don't address the hemorrhoids? I'm afraid to undergo that excruciating surgery and not get relief because the spasms were tms all along. The first surgeon was already to cut the sphincter muscle but I opted for the more conservative Botox. Thank God! Because my current dr thinks its the levator and not the sphincter. I want to so much think psychological which I've never had a problem doing once I discovered tms but these damn hemorrhoids are throwing a monkey wrench in my thinking! Btw the 2nd dr was a waste of time and money. I stood crying in her office in pain and she said give Botox 3 months and goodbye! Has anyone had hemorrhoids that healed without treatment other than tms ttherapy? Thank you Dustin for responding. I will get that book as soon as I finish mind power which so far is very good! |
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drh7900
USA
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Posted - 06/22/2012 : 08:49:43
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If the spasms are the bulk of the pain...it SOUNDS like TMS. "Trauma" from having the clots removed could act as a mental trigger for the pain (like my back "injury" did for my herniated disc and back pain for the last 12 years). The brain knows what's going on and if there's a place to pinpoint for blame, the brain will use it.
So - that said - address any real problems that could have an adverse affect on your health. I don't know much about hemorrhoids other than I have had (I guess mild?) hemorrhoids. That's a pain that's hard to ignore for sure...but for me it was never chronic. It may come and go, but I've never had it last for months, so I can't speak to the possibility of it being physical rather than psychological other than quoting Sarno in saying that our bodies have an incredible ability to heal. If you provide your body the means and time to properly heal from something, the pain should cease. Even the femur, which is the largest bone in the body, takes only 6 weeks to heal from a break. Even then, the pain doesn't last the entire 6 weeks.
Here's to hoping you improve!
Which mind power book are you reading? Is it the one that Ace1 recommends? "Mind power into the 21st century" or something like that?
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Badd825
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Posted - 06/22/2012 : 18:29:10
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Hi Dustin
I'm reading Kehoe's book and really enjoying it. I've had some interesting opportunities arise while reading completely unrelated but I'm sure it's the book helping me to change my thinking. I had someone call me offering me a job, working exactly the hours I want. I believe this is no coincidence! Hoping it will do the same for my healing. Please read my other post and offer any advice if you have time. I believe you have a lot of insight into all this and I need all the help I can get!!!!!!!! Thank you for your advice and info so far |
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Joy_I_Am
United Kingdom
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Posted - 06/25/2012 : 07:41:37
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I haven't had the same pain, but I can understand how you would get spasms - I think the body tries to protect a part it perceives as damaged, but maybe it overdoes it sometimes, especially if we're sensitive. For example, I had a contraceptive coil for a couple of years. It caused me painful cramps, but the doctor kept saying to 'stick with it', and tried giving me painkillers and muscle relaxants... eventually I persuaded her to remove the coil - but my body still cramped in reaction to it!
It took me a while to 'forget' the pain. I can see that valium and botox are a way to help your body's physical reaction, but that it is still clenching around an old, remembered injury. TMS work helped me tremendously, just reminding myself that the pain was no longer helpful or relevant and I could let it go - it took a while, but it worked. What might also help is getting one of those big gym balls and bouncing on it gently; it's a relaxing movement that you control, and also, I think, a lot of fun!
It's a great sign that you've cured problems before. I think Nancy Selfridge talks about us all having a particularly stubborn 'TMS spot', and says that, when hers flares, she welcomes it as a sign to pay attention to what might be bothering her. I think that 'welcoming' it is a bit much to ask! But I bet you anything that it's TMS, and that you can solve it in the same way, even if it takes a little extra time and work.
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