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Whoaday
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 Posted - 08/11/2011 : 09:32:12
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The last times I have spoken NO one comments so I am not sure why I am doing it now...but new question...is it common, for those of you who have IBS, to have a stomach ache everyday? My body does not process food well at all, and I cant burb (dysfunction of the burp reflex). I am seeing a guy about anxiety, and he says he believes IBS is all stress (or TMS) and that when you are stress your body takes blood from the gut that aid in digestion so the food basically rots and you have bad gas and cramps and bloating et cetera.
I havent eaten hardly at all today because of bad cramps yesterday and I feel better...does that mean food is my problem (had numerous allergy tests and nothing came up) or is it a mind body gut thing?
Any relief for IBS sufferers out there?
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tennis tom
USA
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Posted - 08/11/2011 : 10:03:46
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Of course it's TMS or related, or intertwined. What answer would you be expecting at the TMSForum, from me at least?--"Don't ask a barber if you need a haircut." You're here because you keep getting symptoms. Doctors, treatments and pills get expensive and one symptom will just be replaced by a new one. On some level you've figured out it's TMS or psychosomatic or whatever the latest name they're giving to physical or affective symptoms that are created by the subconscious as a protective defensive device from having to face and deal with the cold hard facts of day to day life, dealing with events that are mostly out of our control.
You were on the right track a few posts ago,(or maybe it was Walnut, I get the two of you confused), when, (if it was you), opened up emotionally in a big and honest way about your family life and how bad your relationship was with your wife and kids. Now you're back (if it was you) to symptom talk, a step backwards.
Didn't you put your fist through the wall? It's pretty darn obvious that the problem is between you and your wife and short of resolving the issues through communication, counseling, acceptance or divorce, you will keep cycling through psychosomatic (TMS) symptoms.
DR. SARNO'S 12 DAILY REMINDERS:
www.youtube.com/watch?v=r0dKBFwGR0g
TAKE THE HOLMES-RAHE STRESS TEST
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holmes_and_Rahe_stress_scale
Some of my favorite excerpts from _THE DIVIDED MIND_ :
http://www.tmshelp.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=2605
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"It is no measure of health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society." Jiddu Krishnamurti
"Pain is inevitable; suffering is optional." Author Unknown
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Whoaday
USA
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Posted - 08/11/2011 : 13:22:06
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Yea, that definitely wasn't me...I do not have kids...and you do this everytime I post
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tennis tom
USA
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Posted - 08/11/2011 : 15:41:16
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My apologies, I get you "w" people all confused, must be all the alzheimers/sinility/dementia talk lately; I'm putting you in for a complete refund. At least you got a reply, and if your tummy is TMS then my comments are just as relevant as if it were any other part.
Since you havn't had much luck getting replies, you may find your answers quicker by doing a search or reading the books. You will find an abundance of material on your issue.
DR. SARNO'S 12 DAILY REMINDERS:
www.youtube.com/watch?v=r0dKBFwGR0g
TAKE THE HOLMES-RAHE STRESS TEST
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holmes_and_Rahe_stress_scale
Some of my favorite excerpts from _THE DIVIDED MIND_ :
http://www.tmshelp.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=2605
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"It is no measure of health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society." Jiddu Krishnamurti
"Pain is inevitable; suffering is optional." Author Unknown
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Back2-It
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Posted - 08/12/2011 : 06:20:00
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Your problem most likely is anxiety/TMS.
Especially if you've been probed by the doctors.
A friend of mine had IBS. She carried around an "emergency poop" card, which would hopefully get her to the front of the loo line because she had to go so often. She went to specialists at the University of Chicago and that's what they told her: IBS. Live with it.
Then she finally quit working in a business that she hated and what do you know, her IBS is history.
Look at your life. Are you doing something you don't want to do? In a relationship that you don't want to be in? It all matters.
Another thing might be to cut out all processed foods and reduce the amount of carbs you eat in the form of bread and pastas and even beer, if you imbibe. You could have an intolerance for gluten, which may subtly be changing your gut's ability to absorb nutrients. This effects the brain as well.
The standard American Diet (SAD) has been making a lot of people physically and mentally ill (not exempting myself, either) for years, and the government's now scrapped food pyramid has been helping to build a nation of fatties and mentally afflicted people.
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amygreen
USA
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Posted - 08/12/2011 : 07:52:17
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| IBS can obviously be TMS -- and even if there's a physical cause, stress makes it so much worse. My only suggestion is similar to the last post. I have all kinds of symptoms that are TMS but the IBS is the only one that I've been able to help using other means. If I stay away from processed foods -- no preservatives, no additives -- and if I don't have gluten very often, I don't have IBS. If I eat processed food and gluten -- life revolves around bathrooms. |
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balto
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Posted - 08/12/2011 : 09:00:53
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Originally posted by amygreen
IBS can obviously be TMS -- and even if there's a physical cause, stress makes it so much worse. My only suggestion is similar to the last post. I have all kinds of symptoms that are TMS but the IBS is the only one that I've been able to help using other means. If I stay away from processed foods -- no preservatives, no additives -- and if I don't have gluten very often, I don't have IBS. If I eat processed food and gluten -- life revolves around bathrooms.
This could also be "conditioning". When I look at a slice of lemon I would salivate. When I eat spicy, greasy foods I thought of Tums (thanks to those good TV advertising from drug companies). When I see a snake my heart would race. I am so happy when my love ones called but I got all stressed out when someone from the IRS called.... I could be that everytime you see food you know that contain gluten or preservative you think of stomach problem. Guess what, "you are what you think all day long".
Many of our symptoms can come from conditioning or from our reaction to everyday issues. |
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tennis tom
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Posted - 08/12/2011 : 09:43:35
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Originally posted by balto
This could also be "conditioning".
Right Balto! The classic example from the books is people allergic to roses. In psych studies, they would put them in rooms with plastic roses and they would have allergic reactions as if they were real!-- Classic Pavlovian conditioning.
DR. SARNO'S 12 DAILY REMINDERS:
www.youtube.com/watch?v=r0dKBFwGR0g
TAKE THE HOLMES-RAHE STRESS TEST
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holmes_and_Rahe_stress_scale
Some of my favorite excerpts from _THE DIVIDED MIND_ :
http://www.tmshelp.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=2605
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"It is no measure of health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society." Jiddu Krishnamurti
"Pain is inevitable; suffering is optional." Author Unknown
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amygreen
USA
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Posted - 08/12/2011 : 12:57:21
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Yup -- Almost didn't post that because I figured I would get jumped - there might be a tad bit of "conditioning" here on the forum that EVERYTHING has to be TMS and cannot be anything else. Could my issues with preservatives, gluten and additives be conditioning? Sure. Are any of those things good for anyone anyway? Nope. So, I solved my IBS problem by avoiding putting things into my body that medical science feels are harmful anyway. For me, win win.
Not trying to blow the company line here -- the original poster asked for help and I was just telling him what worked for me. |
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Back2-It
USA
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Posted - 08/12/2011 : 13:37:35
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amygreen
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Yup -- Almost didn't post that because I figured I would get jumped - there might be a tad bit of "conditioning" here on the forum that EVERYTHING has to be TMS and cannot be anything else.
So many things are TMS/anxiety/depression caused, but there are exceptions. And, I do believe, despite it kind of being non-gospel, that anxiety and stress can make a small problem worse and you can learn the increased pain that can happen in that situation. In addition, I believe those who have been so spasmed (is that a word?) by pain and are bracing and guarding need help to undo the bracing and guarding. After so many years of it they may not realize what they are doing is not normal posture, etc. This takes CBT and a little old fashioned pulling things back into place.
Diet effects everything. The food we eat, even good food, is adulterated and compromised, and while this might not effect the entire population (some can eat garbage and not get garbage out), those who are more sensitive will suffer mentally and physically. Won't even think about what's in the water.... Amygreen, you won't get jumped here.
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balto
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Posted - 08/13/2011 : 09:01:10
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Originally posted by amygreen
Yup -- Almost didn't post that because I figured I would get jumped - there might be a tad bit of "conditioning" here on the forum that EVERYTHING has to be TMS and cannot be anything else. Could my issues with preservatives, gluten and additives be conditioning? Sure. Are any of those things good for anyone anyway? Nope. So, I solved my IBS problem by avoiding putting things into my body that medical science feels are harmful anyway. For me, win win.
Not trying to blow the company line here -- the original poster asked for help and I was just telling him what worked for me.
Oh no! don't get me wrong, IBS could be caused by what you eat too. Foods do effect different people in different ways. That's why some people could die from peanuts allergic reaction. No one in their right mind would say peanuts allery is tms.
That's why i said it "could" be conditioning. It my case it is. I was able to "cured" myself of IBS with mindbody methods. I did got better with a glutten free diet before that but now I think in "my case" it is conditioning.
No! not everything is tms. |
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Whoaday
USA
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Posted - 08/15/2011 : 16:29:18
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Hey THanks everyone I hadn't checked cause I assumed I had no comments. I have been thoroughly checked out over the years...nothing...and I've done the elimination diets et cetera...nothing...
Really I think the stomach pain is worse because of the prostatitis and the constant tensing of muscles I go through
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golden_girl
United Kingdom
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Posted - 08/15/2011 : 19:36:50
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I had IBS for a few years in my late teens, gave up wheat and alcohol, and as I said elsewhere on this forum - all it did was make me a pain to eat with, and a complete boring lightweight!
I had various pills and potions from my GP - with one of which I had the most awful side effects (it lists "psychic disturbances" as a side effect, which I must have read all of once, and my crazy old brain decided to make me feel like I was losing my actual being... wonder how many side effects are psychological...) anyhow, the IBS gave up and replaced itself with another IBS - irritable bladder syndrome  I'd take the bowel one over this one any day.
So, yes, IBS is TMS - if you've been checked out by doctors, then go ahead with treating it as TMS (ignore it, talk to it, etc) and/or find ways to relax. Follow the healthiest diet you can, and chill out!
"F.E.A.R.
Forgive Everyone And Remember
For Everything A Reason"
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Back2-It
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Posted - 08/15/2011 : 20:02:19
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I had prostatitis a long time ago, and it lingered for about a year, until I made some major life changes.
Funny how pain lingers until changes are made, like above and like my friend who had been sentenced to a lifetime of IBS, until she quit working at what she hated.
Bracing and tensing of muscles can certainly cause problems. I have been gradually eradicating my various bracing, first with shoulders for my back and now I'm working on not bracing my abdominal muscles, which I think somehow eases the pain in my side.
Correct breathing is important too and is helped by meditation and skilled relaxation. Bad breathing habits caused by anxiety can cause hyperventilation and lead to all sorts of problems.
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Whoaday
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Posted - 08/16/2011 : 09:28:22
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What Kind of changes did you make? I am a youth pastor...and it's hard working in a church, but I work for God and He called me to it, so it's not something I can just change...nor would really want to. I just worry...I worry about every situation and I am sure that manifests itself in my gut and pelvic area. And then when they hurt, I worry about that...over and over. I am working on it though...I do relaxation and talk with a therapist!
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balto
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Posted - 08/16/2011 : 09:59:16
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Originally posted by Whoaday
What Kind of changes did you make? I am a youth pastor...and it's hard working in a church, but I work for God and He called me to it, so it's not something I can just change...nor would really want to. I just worry...I worry about every situation and I am sure that manifests itself in my gut and pelvic area. And then when they hurt, I worry about that...over and over. I am working on it though...I do relaxation and talk with a therapist!
Whoaday
Don't forget to talk to Jesus too. He said:
"Therefore do not be anxious, saying, 'What shall we eat?' or 'What shall we drink?' or 'What shall we wear?' For the Gentiles seek after all these things, and your heavenly Father knows that you need them all. But seek first the kingdom of God and his righteousness, and all these things will be added to you.
Therefore do not be anxious about tomorrow, for tomorrow will be anxious for itself. Sufficient for the day is its own trouble."
(Matthew 6.31-34 ESV)
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Whoaday
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Posted - 08/16/2011 : 10:26:05
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Yes...this will probably NOT shock you...but I have all the anxiety scripture on memory and I preach it often but so hard to live it
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Back2-It
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Posted - 08/16/2011 : 10:57:17
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Originally posted by Whoaday
What Kind of changes did you make? I am a youth pastor...and it's hard working in a church, but I work for God and He called me to it, so it's not something I can just change...nor would really want to. I just worry...I worry about every situation and I am sure that manifests itself in my gut and pelvic area. And then when they hurt, I worry about that...over and over. I am working on it though...I do relaxation and talk with a therapist!
Whoaday
You know, my uncle was a pastor and in the religious life for over 50 years. It is a vocation that you can't just "turn off", so I have some understanding of what you speak.
You may be taking on the burdens of those you minister, maybe unconsciously. You are the one they look to, come to for help, expect to be strong, expect to be an example. YOU ARE HUMAN. Just as Jesus Christ was a man. Even Jesus took time off from being God by visiting with his friends, Martha, etc.. He took time for reflection, and, if we accept the human aspect of Jesus, he went to weddings and probably let off some steam just like any other up and coming carpenter of the time. Look at it this way, suppose the apostles had not been asleep in the Garden the night before Jesus was put to death, and they saw him sweating blood. Might have blown the whole impenitrable, invincible, God idea for them. But the slept, and Jesus let them sleep. Let your flock sleep and take time for yourself.
I believe that pain is a spiritual test for many who have it. And it seems that those who get past it, are "cured", are those who accept it. In the Garden Jesus asked, begged and prayed that he should not be handed this cup of Death, but if it was His Father's will.
I find that the more I "accept" the pain and lean into it and walk with it the easier it gets -- but slowly.
What changes did I make: I'm afraid sinful ones  . Coming from a strict religious background I decided I wanted to take vacations with my girlfriend and have her company. I also stopped working 70 hours per week and starting going out and having some fun. I remember the day the change started for the prostatitis. My girlfriend and I spent eight hours in our favorite German restaurant, eating fattening food and drinking liter steins till cross-eyed. We planned a vacation, a month or so down the line. By the time we left for that trip I don't remember being bothered by that pain, which had tortured me for about a year.
Sorry to be so long. Don't mean to be preachy, but you in the religious vocations have even more heaped on you than in the world of psychology. You aren't on the clock and have to be Mr or Mrs 24/7.
I don't even know if you are a Christian minister, but it does not matter. Most of the religions have universal truths.
I saw first hand what being a dedicated minister can do to a dedicated minister. It wasn't pretty at times. This is just what I have observed. May not apply to you at all.
You will get there. Let the Faith work on You.
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Wavy Soul
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Posted - 08/17/2011 : 00:03:20
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Very interesting thread. Having been a monk from age 18-30 (in an Eastern context) I deeply empathize with the issues of vocation and TMS. When I emerged from the spiritual group I was in I had MAJOR TMS (didn't know it at the time). I had been exploited for money by a teacher I thought was divine. Pretty enraging!!
I've still felt a strong vocation my whole life, it's a fine edge to walk. Sometimes I feel it heals me and resolves my symptoms to a great degree. And other times the whole set-up sets up rage-inducing situations in which one can't necessarily express the feelings that come up. It's been important for me to make sure I get an outlet often - writing, talking, breathing, etc.
I LOVE the "Take no thought" scriptures. I have become an avid student of Joel Goldsmith's writings (he was an American mystic who died in 1964). He uses Jesus' words to explain the spiritual experience of Oneness and the path of the Mystical, in which one hands everything over to The One (God, etc.) and stops worrying. I've found it incredibly helpful with finances, and sometimes with health. In his time, people were healed in droves by Joel's ideas (not by him touching them or anything, but by reading his books). I have found his books to be EXTREMELY compatible with - and in a way similar to - Sarno, and they comprise the spiritual aspect of my TMS recovery.
Recently I've been reading the books of Michele Longo O'Donnell (google her) who is a student of Joel's and other mystical Christian teachings, and runs a clinic in Austin, Texas where thousands of people have been healed of major and minor illnesses, again just be shifting their understanding in a way that releases anxiety, opens a doorway in Oneness, and the body just drops its stuff.
I highly recommend that anyone with a Christian leaning check out Joel Goldsmith and Michele Longo O'Donnell's books. For me it has been life-changing (Joel especially) for years. Michele is alive and has a website with a link to a 24-hour radio broadcast, also. |
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Wavy Soul
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Posted - 08/17/2011 : 00:05:51
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Very interesting thread. Having been a monk from age 18-30 (in an Eastern context) I deeply empathize with the issues of vocation and TMS. When I emerged from the spiritual group I was in I had MAJOR TMS (didn't know it at the time). I had been exploited for money by a teacher I thought was divine. Pretty enraging!!
I've still felt a strong vocation my whole life, it's a fine edge to walk. Sometimes I feel it heals me and resolves my symptoms to a great degree. And other times the whole set-up sets up rage-inducing situations in which one can't necessarily express the feelings that come up. It's been important for me to make sure I get an outlet often - writing, talking, breathing, etc.
I LOVE the "Take no thought" scriptures. I have become an avid student of Joel Goldsmith's writings (he was an American mystic who died in 1964). He uses Jesus' words to explain the spiritual experience of Oneness and the path of the Mystical, in which one hands everything over to The One (God, etc.) and stops worrying. I've found it incredibly helpful with finances, and sometimes with health. In his time, people were healed in droves by Joel's ideas (not by him touching them or anything, but by reading his books). I have found his books to be EXTREMELY compatible with - and in a way similar to - Sarno, and they comprise the spiritual aspect of my TMS recovery.
Recently I've been reading the books of Michele Longo O'Donnell (google her) who is a student of Joel's and other mystical Christian teachings, and runs a clinic in Austin, Texas where thousands of people have been healed of major and minor illnesses, again just be shifting their understanding in a way that releases anxiety, opens a doorway in Oneness, and the body just drops its stuff.
I highly recommend that anyone with a Christian leaning check out Joel Goldsmith and Michele Longo O'Donnell's books. For me it has been life-changing (Joel especially) for years. Michele is alive and has a website with a link to a 24-hour radio broadcast, also.
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Back2-It
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Posted - 08/17/2011 : 04:39:57
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Wavy Soul...
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Very interesting thread. Having been a monk from age 18-30 (in an Eastern context) I deeply empathize with the issues of vocation and TMS. When I emerged from the spiritual group I was in I had MAJOR TMS (didn't know it at the time). I had been exploited for money by a teacher I thought was divine. Pretty enraging!!
My uncle had very many signs of anxiety/depression/TMS all through his adult life now that I look back on it. He was a stubborn SOB and so were his superiors, whom he think wronged him, though he didn't confuse any of his superiors with the divine. (Quite the opposite, really!)
Thanks to balto's postings I picked up my old copy of "How to Stop Worrying and Start Living," by Dale Carnegie, and it incorporates many of the Christian ideas on the idea of worry as well as some universal truths and old Missouri horse sense.
When I think back on so many of the Old Testament and New Testament passages, you come to realize that there is nothing new under the sun, even when it comes to anxiety and fears and pain.
Clergy and religious still have it hard, though. I think too often those who are not exposed to religious on a personal level believe they walk on the water, when they and we know they are wearing some pretty big clay shoes that can sink them right to the bottom.
How is that for inner turmoil? You've got to not only be a "goodist", but a Super Goodist who has to please earthly beings and the Almighty!
Impossible for mere humans.
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