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walnut864
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 Posted - 11/24/2010 : 17:12:07
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Just have to vent a little.
Im having mid back pain on both sides of my spine. I had smelly urine yesterday but it was only yellow in color. I drank some cranberry juice and urinated and the urine was alighter color with now smell. I continued to drink the juice and 30 minutes later I had to urinate again and it was as clear as water.
My mid back pain persisted so this morning I went to urgent care. The doctor thought my pain was too high for a kideny infection but performed a urine test anyways. She came back and said the test was fine and they found nothing wrong. She diagnosed me with muscular skeletal pain. She did not even look at my back or anything, just talked to me. I know that a few weeks ago I was putting something in the back of my truck and felt a "snap" and had some immediate pain. My back was slightly sore for awhile but now its full blown. Its not hurting all the time comes and goes during the day but stays for the most part. Doesnt hurt from twisting or bending. Just has an ache to it.
So, Im not sure if this is back pain is a pulled muscle, TMS, or something more sinister.
I have also been experiencing acid reflux for the past 4-6 months.
I do not believe my reflux is TMS. In July I had to take 3 rounds of antibiotcis to kill off strep throat that I just couldnt whoop. After that I began having esophagael spasms and heart burn. The spasms subsided and now I have relux almost every night and every morning.
The past few days my stomach feels very sour and irritated when I eat. I feel like I wiped out all my good bacteria between that and poor diet and beer I somehow upset my stomach lining or something.
Now I have diarreha that started about an hour ago. Add that to the mid back pain and the acid reflux Im in a mess. My mind wonders off and asks if maybe its my gallbladder or and ulcer or maybe something else.
Heck it could be TMS and IBS. I dont know. I sure hope it gets better soon.
Also, while at walmart yesterday I had a horrible nerve related pain in hip area toward the groin every time I took a step. It was horrible. I was standing there looking at acid reflux meds and then when I went to walk away the pain was gone and I could walk normally. Ive had this happen before, feels like a nerve getting pinched .
Ill post back with any news good or bad about how im doing.
Talk to you all later! |
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golden_girl
United Kingdom
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Posted - 11/24/2010 : 22:12:45
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Heck it could be TMS and IBS.
As far as I believe they are, and have always been, the same thing!!
You need to concentrate on your thoughts, not a whole list of symptoms. "Back pain... smelly urine... clear urine... fear of kidney infection... fear of pain... acid reflux... disbelief... medication... symptoms... IBS (TMS!!!)... fear of something worse...
You say you were at Walmart and you had TMS, what were you thinking? Your groin pain went away after looking at acid reflux meds?! Why would that be?
You need to think about what you think.
"F.E.A.R.
Forgive Everyone And Remember
For Everything A Reason"
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Darko
Australia
387 Posts |
Posted - 11/25/2010 : 01:20:14
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Walnut,
I started reading your post and jumped down to read GG's response. Your subject line says it all and I really didn't need to finish reading your post because what GG said is THE ANSWER no matter what TMS question you might have. There simply is nothing to discuss, I agree with GG 100% and if you take her advise you'll be in a much better place.
It's this simple
Negative thoughts = negative emotions ( that you can't or don't want to feel ) = TMS
You cannot manage TMS - TMS is a RESULT - so don't worry about the symptom
You cannot manage your emotions - your emotions are a RESULT.........of your thinking - just accept and release them
You CAN manage your thoughts!
Focus on what you have control over and the rest will take care of itself
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patils
72 Posts |
Posted - 11/25/2010 : 23:18:46
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"F.E.A.R.
Forgive Everyone And Remember
For Everything A Reason"
Ian Brown
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I rewrite this quote as :
F.E.A.R.
False Evidence Appearing Real. |
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wrldtrv
666 Posts |
Posted - 11/26/2010 : 10:01:50
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| I agree, Darko, except that no, you can't manage your thoughts either. You can be mindful of them, accept them, and wait until they pass on their own. But, trying to make them go away simply insures they linger. |
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golden_girl
United Kingdom
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Posted - 11/26/2010 : 21:25:54
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Originally posted by wrldtrv
I agree, Darko, except that no, you can't manage your thoughts either. You can be mindful of them, accept them, and wait until they pass on their own. But, trying to make them go away simply insures they linger.
I would say that you can change your thoughts! Resisting negative ones is going to add to the problem, but noticing negative thoughts (and there are going to be tons!!) when they appear and learning to replace them with positive ones is incredibly powerful.
Man, I can talk the talk, but I need to walk the walk! 
"F.E.A.R.
Forgive Everyone And Remember
For Everything A Reason"
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kenny V
USA
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Posted - 11/27/2010 : 18:32:00
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Walnut its ok to vent I hear ya… hope you are feeling better since you last posted
And yes I do agree what everyone is saying about NOT focussing/ Obsessing about your symptoms.
Many times (as we learned) that is what makes things worse and the vicious cycle continues.
Now this is NOT an easy thing to master, but you need to break up some ground. I don’t know if you have had any success yet. And if so you need apply what you have learned thus so far and take it to the next level.
You may be close to a breakthrough.
If you understand the TMS model im sure by now you have been made somewhat aware of your core issues. If so that is the area to do some thing about. Again stop focusing/ Obsessing about your symptoms.
Change your mindset / thinking and work on the things you know, you have to work on. The “why” and core of your repressed emotions. Something you may have discovered about yourself. If you are not aware of what they are then you may need to explore more.
Like I mentioned this is NOT an easy thing to master.
On the physical side Boy I see you are a mess. Now im not saying one way or another what is the cause and what is the effect of your gut issues however. I would like to offer suggestion based on what you had written. There is nothing wrong with taking some probiotics to replace the natural gut flora. In your case generous amounts till your cycle is normal. It will help with the stomach and diarrhea issues you have described. Also lay off the dairy and other hard to digest foods until your reliving properly.
Probiotics are naturally found in the small and large intestine if it is depleted you will have symptoms.
You can find a good probiotics in a heath food store in the refrigerator section.
Btw antibiotics (anti) is the opposite of probiotics (Pro)
Antibiotics are notorious for destroying all your natural probiotics amongst other things. Any time someone is prescribed antibiotics ( especially 3 rounds) you can be assure it will cause other problems.
HTH
Kenny v.
Always Hope For Recovery
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wrldtrv
666 Posts |
Posted - 11/27/2010 : 19:12:40
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Goldengirl,
Yes, but...I think there is a subtle difference between our views. You say we can change our thoughts by replacing negative ones with positive ones. Sounds good, but not as easy as it sounds. Consider: Negative thought: I'm no good. Positive thought: I am good! Followed by, "No, I'm not because..." followed by, "Yes, I really am, I know I am!" followed by, "Yea, right!"
On and on it goes. The more you try to do battle with your negative thoughts, the more resistant and hardened they become. Ans since our brains are hardwired to pay more attention to the negative than the positive, guess which one wins?
Better to be mindful of the negative thoughts and then try to defuse them in some way. This is a more nuanced response than trying to take the enemy on directly, which doesn't work. Try to transfer attention somehow to something more pleasant. Not denying the negative thought, but saying, "I'm not going to listen to that old story anymore. It's boring; time to change the channel."
As you said, GG, easier said than done. I'm certainly no expert on this, but these are some valid, scientific approaches to take. |
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Darko
Australia
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Posted - 11/28/2010 : 00:21:06
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Wrldtrv,
Yeah I should have made myself a little more clear, as this was just a quick post. Negative thoughts will pop up in your head all the time.....but it's what you focus on and "buy into" that is important. If you listen to the negative thoughts you're in big trouble. I detach from my thoughts as much as possible and if a negative thought rises I let it pass and focus on the positive. So this IS managing my thoughts, what you seem to be referring to is RESISTING the negative thoughts. I also agree that one should never resist the thoughts or anything for that matter as resisting also creates more negativity.
Once again GG is on the money with her comment!
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walnut864
94 Posts |
Posted - 11/29/2010 : 16:10:13
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Thanks for all the posts. I am feeling much better. I started taking some probiotics that my daughter did not finish the last time she had a yeast infection. I also switched from Zantac to Prilosec.
I know that I have had IBS and GERD before and it was TMS/MBS. Im sure of that. This time I really feel its a bit of both TMS and an aggravated digestive system. I take less of the prilosec than the zantac. Im already eating better and feeling good. A few setbacks here and there during the day but I just acknowledge the symptom is there and go on with life leaving no room for fear.
My back has also been getting better. I feel I had alot of very tight muscles in my back. I was pretty stiff and I could feel the muscles stretch when I tried to make my chin touch my chest. I can do it now pain free so things have gotten alot better.
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walnut864
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Posted - 12/04/2010 : 13:08:59
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Its been several days since my last post. I am feeling 100% better. No back pain, no digestive problems. Have only had 1 or 2 prilosec pill since the last post.
I did come down with a cold since then but this that time of season and I work a cash register at a very busy store so catching viruses is inevitable. |
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PTosh
Portugal
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Posted - 12/19/2010 : 13:07:43
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Congratulations walnut 
On the negative thoughts, topic:
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Negative thoughts = negative emotions ( that you can't or don't want to feel ) = TMS
I don't think this is true. Negative thoughts aren't equivalent or manifestations of emotions, they're manifestations of insecurities. If you have a thought like for example "I'm not good enough at my job", that's an insecurity. It's not like you have a supressed or repressed emotion that makes this thought appear, it appears because you're insecure about the way you do your job. Then, in my experience, the importance one gives to these thoughts come from the unconscious. In my experience I just blindly believed some thoughts, although I consciously knew they were ridiculous and false.
This is like the thoughts in TMS, like "your pain has a physical cause" or "your pain will get worse if you keep using computers", that are the insecurities about your body and arms especially, in RSI case. Any person who has been through this will tell you that stop believing in these things is hard, even though consciously you know they're false. Dr. Sarno tells why: it's because there is an inner pressure from the unconscious for you to believe them, or else the distraction would be ruined.
So knowing this, the best way to react to negative thoughts is to recognize the unsconscious wants you to believe them, and to write or just understand why they're false. This is also what Dr. Sarno does in his book, he explains how the pain in TMS in inoffensive and is not caused by any physical structural problem. This is equivalent to explaining why your thoughts are false. If 'resisting to the thoughts' is to assure they're false, it certainly helps. |
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walnut864
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Posted - 12/19/2010 : 21:37:10
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Thanks for the reply.
My lower back pain has returned since I posted this. It returned about 4 or 5 days ago. No big deal though. Ill get through it. |
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art
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Posted - 12/20/2010 : 06:40:14
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I think wrld is absolutely right. The harder one tries to actively control one's thoughts, the brighter the unwanted thoughts will burn.
The approach that works with me is passive resistance. Relax, deep breathe, let negative thoughts simply drift away..
Starve them with inattention in other words.
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Hillbilly
USA
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Posted - 12/20/2010 : 07:25:20
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I think wrld and art are correct. I think passivity is the best and quickest route out of nervous problems. Demonstratively so in my own experience. I viewed thoughts that were prevalent at the time of my most intense suffering as just another symptom. It truly was difficult to focus on anything when pain and other symptoms were making so much noise, and then the thoughts that accompanied the symptoms just kept things going.
To PTosh's point about the unconscious, I don't think anyone would argue that these things appear from outside your control and just go and go and go and keep our focus, but the idea that the brain is employing a strategy to distract you by giving you false information via thought and body symptom is to me the most difficult part of this theory and wholly unnecessary to resolution.
But it is certainly possible to change your thoughts and beliefs as well. I recently went through this with my child. He's past Santa Claus now. I simply replaced a thought with another, one much more evidence-based and pointed out the impossibility of the former idea with a new one. He understood it, accepted it as true, and will likely never think about all the myths surrounding the larger myth.
This is the same process that happens when you accept that your problems are nervous instead of organic when you have anxiety or TMS, if you like. It just takes longer to accept for many because the evidence to replace the organic basis is not as plausible, nor as widely known.
The most important question in replacing thoughts is do you believe them? If you really, really do believe your symptoms are nervous in origin and not a disease process, the process of recovery is fairly easy and straightforward. If not, well you see what happens. People return here again and again with symptoms seeking reassurance. This board and all that I have seen are exactly the same in this regard.
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walnut864
94 Posts |
Posted - 12/20/2010 : 21:17:04
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I'm currently trying to get some marriage counseling. My marriage is a cause for alot of my stress but I just have issues that I can seem to figure out. I have alot of self hatred, ive always been my own worst enemy, i dont like myself at all, when i walk into a place i catch myself worrying what people are thinking if me, when i get angry i snap quick and go into a rage, to avoid punching holes in the walls i started to slap or hit myself, which is stupid but in the moment of rage it just seems like the best thing. i have so much to work on that I can never find where to start or how to do it.
its weird, my wife and my brother have told me that they wish they could be like me, i can walk into a strange place and make friends with anyone, start a conversation with anyone, my wife and brother say i came off as confident and the type of guy that doesnt give a d**n what people think of him, but thats just not true.
I see myself as small, weak, fragile, i see myself as this small weakling but in reality im 6ft 4 in 208 pounds. i dont see myself as this big tall guy others see, when i see myself in pictures it amazes me how i tower over everyone. when someone my height comes near me i feel as if i am looking up at them and feel inferior. things are just too deep and complicated for me to figure out and i cant seem to find a good psychologist locally that i can afford,
i sure need alot of help in alot of areas. i just wished i could find a way to unlock my true potential, stop being a people pleaser, be the strong confident man that i should be,
i remember as a kid i was very smart, great at sports, a great writer, a leader, had a lot of potential then i developed anxiety in the 6th grade and playing sports became too difficult and so was my school work, my anxiety consumed me.
i was a great center fielder, pitcher in baseball, great quarterback, wide receiver and cornerback in football, in basketball i was a power forward, i just never could unlock my true potential b/c of the anxiety keeping me back. and it took me many years to begin to overcome anxiety and make progress,
i just wished i had that confidence i had as a child, when i was truly confident.
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Back2-It
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Posted - 12/21/2010 : 10:06:00
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Walnut...
I have a life profile that is similar to yours. I feel that I have not lived up to my potential, been a people pleaser and a goodist, and most people think of me as easy going and laid back, which is far from the truth. But it was what I wanted people to believe. Though I denied it for many years to others (and even myself) I was terribly concerned with what people thought about me. This may have come from being bullied a lot in grade school. I thought if I could float below the radar I could live my life the way I wanted.
I did, too. I stayed independent and some might even describe "aloof".
I got along to get along. I wasn't me. Period. I wasn't acknowledging the inner me who, yes, needed help, needed be comforted and wanted things. I was always the guy giving up the shirt on his back and listening to others relate their problems. There's a lifetime limit to that, just like radiation exposure.
It's hard to reverse or change a lifetime of action so ingrained, but it can be done. I believe it can even be done without counseling, if you "self-medicate" with the right type of reading and finally crack the nut which is yourself. Connection with the Universe or God or the Spirit is helpful too. Giving it up to that aspect takes a load off. I'm working on it all, and I find that the honesty, while painful, is helpful.
I have had your mid-back pain, and it has caused me to be, at times, unable to bend without pain to do simple things at the kitchen counter. It still bothers me but to a lesser and lesser degree, and I still have fears about what I can and cannot do, but I do believe in time it will pass. I have accepted it and stopped fighting it. I too had the famous "snap" and that set off more anxiety and fear and more pain. This, as you probably know, is how many people first experience their TMS.
I've also had your hip pain.
One thing I had to do was understand my anxiety. I have had attacks since my late teens. Other posters have mentioned Claire Weekes and her books and CDs about anxiety. I had read many books on anxiety, and most were more like workbooks, thick as a brick, and making you write this or do that, etc. Too much work. Weekes explains why you have anxiety and how to really deal with it simply and effectively. It's worth the nine bucks for the book.
Look at your life situation as a work in progress. None of us know about our "full potential", whatever earthly meaning we put to that.
We only have this moment, and it's damned hard to learn how to live in it, especially chock full of anxiety and fear. You can work on the anxiety and fear, however. That is a start. Get that under some type of control and it helps a person think more clearly. Maybe for the first time in years or ever. It did me.
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Dont know what to think of these new symptoms
