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Redsandro
Netherlands
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 Posted - 01/27/2009 : 16:03:32
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What is your zodiac/starsign?
Just for fun, I want to see if this is true.
According to astrology, it seems to me that Aries, Pisces and Scorpius are supposed to be most TMS-prone.
I am Aries. You?
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TMS is the hidden language of the soul. |
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Elorac
United Kingdom
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Posted - 01/28/2009 : 04:32:22
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I am Pisces.
Why are those signs meant to be more prone? |
Edited by - Elorac on 01/28/2009 04:35:44 |
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Redsandro
Netherlands
217 Posts |
Posted - 01/28/2009 : 12:35:23
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According to astrology, people born under those signs have personalities prone to health hazards that are actually very TMS like.
I used not to think high of astrology at all, for my thoughts about it were actually based purely on the commercial trash you see on tv and the always-bullocks horroscope in the paper.
Until my friend showed me some fitting astrology descriptions about me, her, my parents.. so it made me curious.
But if those other 50 people who read this topic actually replied, I could have drawn a conclusion by now.. 
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TMS is the hidden language of the soul. |
Edited by - Redsandro on 01/28/2009 12:37:03 |
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sue1012
USA
31 Posts |
Posted - 01/28/2009 : 14:00:41
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| I'm a scorpio... |
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tpunk
USA
22 Posts |
Posted - 01/28/2009 : 23:12:41
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| Cancer here... |
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Peg
USA
284 Posts |
Posted - 01/29/2009 : 05:18:06
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Looks like you're on to something.
Another Scorpio....here!
Peg
In questions of science, the authority of a thousand is not worth the humble reasoning of a single individual. Galileo Galilei |
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Erata
63 Posts |
Posted - 01/29/2009 : 05:50:40
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| Another Scorpio here. |
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Logan
USA
203 Posts |
Posted - 01/29/2009 : 08:01:40
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| pisces! |
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winnieboo
USA
269 Posts |
Posted - 01/29/2009 : 08:07:56
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Capricorn.
Interestingly, I was raised by a Pisces and a Scorpio, and they both suffered from numerous health (TMS) issues, including chronic back pain, IBS, reflux and migraines. |
Edited by - winnieboo on 01/29/2009 08:12:41 |
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marsha
252 Posts |
Posted - 01/29/2009 : 09:07:26
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Tarus...
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MarkD
41 Posts |
Posted - 01/29/2009 : 12:43:33
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| sagittarius |
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weatherman
USA
184 Posts |
Posted - 01/29/2009 : 20:29:10
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Another Capricorn.
Weatherman
"Good judgement comes from experience. Experience comes from bad judgement." |
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HellNY
130 Posts |
Posted - 01/30/2009 : 08:10:05
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When I was in high school, I believed that astrology worked. Not the kind in the papers, but rather the "real" kind that was much more involved, ect.
By my Sophomore year in college, I no longer believed this.
That is because I did a lot of research for a project looking at the relationship between Sun Signs and personality and behavioral characteristics.
Bottom line: aside from what astrologers claim, when direct and objective nmeasures of behavior and /or personality are used, in controlled studies, there are no repeatable findings linking sun sign to personality and behavioral traits.
At most, there has been some evidence of an association between certain personality characteristics and seasonality at birth (winter, summer, etc). These are mmost likely due to personality characteristics of parents as it relates to seasons they are most likely to become pregnant,
In short, I do not believe there is any evidence at all that astrology works. |
Edited by - HellNY on 01/30/2009 08:11:52 |
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weatherman
USA
184 Posts |
Posted - 01/30/2009 : 16:49:01
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Not to start a new debate here outside of TMS - but there is WAY more to astrology than sun signs. I seriously studied it many years ago (doing charts and the whole deal), but moved away from it in part because in some ways it was too accurate - especially as far as portending large scale future trends. Frankly, when a tough period is coming I decided one is better off not knowing, as there's often no escaping it anyway. Just live a day at a time. Anyone who's really studied it and has had their butt kicked by a good Saturn transit will probably agree. Again, not advocating that people get into it, as I decided I was probably better off without it. But sun signs are to serious astrology what multiplication tables are to calculus.
Weatherman
"Good judgement comes from experience. Experience comes from bad judgement." |
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HellNY
130 Posts |
Posted - 01/30/2009 : 17:01:52
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Originally posted by weatherman
Not to start a new debate here outside of TMS - but there is WAY more to astrology than sun signs. I seriously studied it many years ago (doing charts and the whole deal), but moved away from it in part because in some ways it was too accurate - especially as far as portending large scale future trends. Frankly, when a tough period is coming I decided one is better off not knowing, as there's often no escaping it anyway. Just live a day at a time. Anyone who's really studied it and has had their butt kicked by a good Saturn transit will probably agree. Again, not advocating that people get into it, as I decided I was probably better off without it. But sun signs are to serious astrology what multiplication tables are to calculus.
Yes I know. I used to study it very very seriously as well. This includes the more detailed components but it was long ago. R read every book I could on the subject plus started writing charts for others. I had a chart made for me that was far, far more than Sun Signs. Which house the moon was it at birth, as well as where each of the planets and what house they were in. Scorpio rising, pluto in the nth house, etc etc This was a long time ago. My own chart was 4-5, two-sided full pages of written text by an astrologer who had done this stuff for 20 years. I believed it to the core. No - "knew" it was real. That later changed when I tried to "prove:" astrology by looking into the studies that would show data linking behavior and or personality to astrological parameters. Believe me, I was not just looking at sun sign. The data was contradictory, inconsistent or simply not significant. There was nothing replicable.
And then I did a study of my own in college, fully approved by the research ethics committee. Data showed nothing again. My academic advisors must have been very patient because Im sure they likely thought that this would be how it turned out.
SO yes, I studied it. A lot. I took it seriously. I came, I saw, and all the evdince showed me it was an empty well.And this turned me from a believer into a nonbeliever.
I have no problem with any theory of personality. BUt there needs to be some objective evidence, other than anecdotal, that it predicts personality or behavior. So far the research shows zip. I recall a long time ago reading studies where subjects were unable to pick their own detailed chart relative to charts that were written for other people. Translated: people were just as likely to believe a fictional chart "was realy accurate about them" as they were the one that was written specifically for them, by professional astrologers.
Thats all I really can say on the subject. If there ever is some scientific evidence that birthdate in relation to celestial bodies predict specific aspects of behavior, Im sure it will come about. So far, no one has been able to demonstrate anything replicably in the literature.
Believe me, I was really bummed and disillusioned when I learned all this. I was truly a "covert" until that point.
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stanfr
USA
268 Posts |
Posted - 01/31/2009 : 07:38:36
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Good for you, HellNy! Weatherman, if you do some research with an open mind you'll come to the same conclusion. If you're still convinced astrology works, then test it double blind and if you can succeed, you will become a billionaire fairly quickly.
Resandro, im none of those signs you mentioned, but please do not use your 'poll' as any sort of affirmation. It's basic psychology that people who are able to 'join in the party' by revealing that they match one of your signs are morer likely to respond. It's not fun, it's silly. If you are really interested in getting an informal 'survey', i suggest you register with a back pain or sciatica forum, then poll the members on what their 'signs' are (not revealing why you are asking). |
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scd1833
USA
124 Posts |
Posted - 02/02/2009 : 19:21:20
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I'm a leo with raging tms
sorry,
Steve
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weatherman
USA
184 Posts |
Posted - 02/02/2009 : 22:46:36
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Weatherman, if you do some research with an open mind you'll come to the same conclusion
That statement seems illogical at best. How can you possibly know what conclusion I (or anyone else) would reach before a study has happened? I would wager that I spent far more time studying the subject back in the day than you did in making this statement. I have made a living as a scientist for the past 31 years, for what it's worth. Science is not foreign to me.
HellNY obviously gave the subject some study and some thought, and reached an independent conclusion. No problem with that.
Bottom line - nobody should believe much of anything without checking it out firsthand.
Weatherman
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stanfr
USA
268 Posts |
Posted - 02/04/2009 : 05:44:17
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| Hi ALexis, yeah i know it was "just for fun", but that's the usual cop-out given by the media etc when they promote "woo", without realizing the collective harm they are doing to society. IMO, there's really little difference between the dellusion someone has that someone can "see the future" or "talk to the dead", than the delusion that if they kill hundreds of babies they'll end up with loads of virgins in the afterlife. Lunacy is lunacy. I admit that i let this get me more than i should (as you said, a recipe for TMS) but it is mind-boggling to me how someone who is clearly educated (I know many scientists with Phds etc who still suscribe to woo) can so easily accept something so incredibly inherently ridiculous. I actually had an older roomate in college (he was brilliant and spoke 5 languages fluently) who was heavily into astrology, and i so admired him that i became half-convinced he was on to something. But that was when i young and naive. I admit, that should make me more understanding of others beliefs. Astrology is somewhat of a special case however, since unlike other psudo-scientific subjects there not only is there zero evidence that it works, there are also numerous inherent problems with the practice of astrology itself; if anyone begs to differ, Google 'skeptic' and 'astrology' and start reading! |
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winnieboo
USA
269 Posts |
Posted - 02/04/2009 : 06:09:06
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A funny aside:
Last summer, I went to a psychic who told me that I needed to balance my chakras (among other things) and she told me that someone I work with was an evil force who was trying to ruin me. When I asked who the evil force was, she said she couldn't grab onto it and told me she'd have to "meditate" about it for 48 hours and get back to me. In the meantime, she told me I needed to pay her more money to meditate. I paid her and NEVER GOT AN ANSWER. In fact, when I called her repeatedly, she was full of excuses and finally, she told me that she was so busy that her mother, who was a "respected count" had meditated for me and that I had another chakra problem and that I needed to send more money to correct it!
I told this long story to my shrink and she said,"Do you know what all of that is?"
I said, "Okay, what?"
And she said..."It's bulls&*t."
It was at that point that I was able to give up my "hobby" of seeking any kinds of answers or truth from psychics, tarot cards and astrology, all of which I employed from time to time as an "entertaining" way of possibly defining myself or relieving my own tension by trying to look into the future. Look, I agree that it can be fun, but to ascribe any truth to it...if it's not dangerous (and/or expensive) it's just plain silly.
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weatherman
USA
184 Posts |
Posted - 02/04/2009 : 08:34:31
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Stanfr reminds me a lot of Carl Sagan, for those old enough to remmeber the "Cosmos" series on PBS. He once brought up the question of whether there was any truth to astrology. His "experiment" was to show two different fluff pieces from the comics section of newspapers (e.g., "Leo, today you should do XXXXXX"). And surprise, they didn't agree - and that was the sum total of his "proof" that it didn't work. What he proved is that the newspaper columns don't work, he proved nothing about astrology. But then, that's what most of the public thinks astrology is.
I have no personal stake in whether people "believe" in it or not, I pretty much gave up study of it about 20 years ago. The world can function just fine without it. My problem is when people accept OR dismiss something out of hand with no firsthand knowledge of the subject they are talking about. I feel the same way about religion and global warmming (pro or con).
Don't we TMS types really love to have the last word?
Weatherman
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What is your zodiac?
