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Hillbilly
USA
385 Posts |
 Posted - 05/08/2008 : 11:53:22
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Hi all,
I just read Paul David's book, At Last a Life. It is a practical guide to how to heal your TMS/nervous/mindbody/psychosomatic/functional/neurotic/anxiety symptoms by integrating Claire Weekes' approach of understanding and acceptance. This guy suffered for 10 years and lost all his friends, his job, and nearly his life because he kept thinking there was something wrong with him. Tragic and triumphant in one read. I hope you all get well. |
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la_kevin
USA
351 Posts |
Posted - 05/09/2008 : 09:26:20
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I'm starting to think that anxiety is a larger contributor to TMS than I thought.
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"Over thinking...over analyzing...separates the body from the mind." Maynard from the band TOOL |
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darlin
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Posted - 05/09/2008 : 12:09:45
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No doubt la_Kevin. Although I am new at accepting my self diagnosis... I would say that what stood out the most in Dr. Sarnos book was I was realzing more and more how anxious i am. I am a worriera and a hard worker who always strive for the best. I hate letting anyone down.... so I over work, overstress and the get anxiety followed by bouts of rage that usualy come after a few too many drinks...
Thanks for the book advice. I will check it out. |
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Dave
USA
1864 Posts |
Posted - 05/09/2008 : 17:15:25
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Originally posted by la_kevin
I'm starting to think that anxiety is a larger contributor to TMS than I thought.
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"Over thinking...over analyzing...separates the body from the mind." Maynard from the band TOOL
Read your signature quote and follow its advice...
You can go back and forth on this forever. It's the chicken and egg conundrum. Does TMS cause anxiety or the other way around? It doesn't really matter. Doing the work is what matters. |
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AmyAJJ
98 Posts |
Posted - 05/10/2008 : 12:47:08
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I can't seem to get the SEARCH feature of the site to work.
Can someone tell me which of Claire Weekes' books you'd recommend starting with in terms of addressing anxiety? |
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Hillbilly
USA
385 Posts |
Posted - 05/10/2008 : 14:04:21
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| There is only one you would need, and it is the Bible for anxiety recovery: Hope and Help for Your Nerves. Mr. David used that book to recover fully after 10 years of deblitating suffering. His problem wasn't with pain, but many other symptoms. |
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AmyAJJ
98 Posts |
Posted - 05/10/2008 : 14:07:12
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| Thanks, Hillbilly. I'll look for that one when I get to the bookstore today. |
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scottjmurray
266 Posts |
Posted - 05/10/2008 : 16:37:20
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anxiety is bizarre.
i've got a ton of it. so much i gave it a little call sign "v" whenever it pops into my head. i note "v" probably several hundred times a day. v stands for
- catastrophic thinking
- that jerking fear response to tms
- that jerking fear response to certain emotions
- v cycling in on itself "fear of fear"
i think the only way out of it is to be mindful of it and watch how it functions without getting involved. thanks buddha. v stands for "vulnerability"
Author of tms-recovery.com
A collection of articles on emotions, lifestyle changes, and TMS theory. |
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gezondheid
50 Posts |
Posted - 05/11/2008 : 13:29:36
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Hey Hillbilly,
You refer to Hope and help for your nerves as the main book from Dr. Weekes. I have selfhelp for your nerves. Maybe you know if the 2 books are almost the same or maybe is it wise to also read the one you mentioned in this topic.
Another question that i like to ask you is if i can ask you some questions, maybe via mail, about the combination TMS/Anxiety. I already did this some weeks ago but i like to get some info (if you are open for that) on recovery grids. I could not find your mailadres otherwise i would have mailed you. I'am very inspired by your recovery, your topic science or sarno and i hope i can get some extra info out of you.
Thanks.
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la_kevin
USA
351 Posts |
Posted - 05/11/2008 : 14:02:12
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Originally posted by Dave
quote:
Originally posted by la_kevin
I'm starting to think that anxiety is a larger contributor to TMS than I thought.
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"Over thinking...over analyzing...separates the body from the mind." Maynard from the band TOOL
Read your signature quote and follow its advice...
You can go back and forth on this forever. It's the chicken and egg conundrum. Does TMS cause anxiety or the other way around? It doesn't really matter. Doing the work is what matters.
Maybe I use the quote in the signature to remind myself.
Anyways,accepting my level of anxiety is a new thing for me. I thought it was all about RAGE and anger. It's not. Even when I journal or the pain subsides the anxiety is right there being ampilified.
I think the anxiety creates the TMS, so it's not "chicken and the egg" for me. I'm clear on the genesis.
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elise8
USA
72 Posts |
Posted - 05/11/2008 : 15:17:29
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HI HILLBILLY,
I CAN'T SEEM TO LOCATE THAT NEW BOOK BY PAUL DAVID.
I tried Amazon and can't find it, also did a search and can't find it.
Where did you buy your copy?
thx
Elise
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AmyAJJ
98 Posts |
Posted - 05/11/2008 : 16:28:00
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Elise -
It's on his website:
www . anxietynomore . co . uk/anxiety_q_a.html
Look for the book link on the left. |
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Hillbilly
USA
385 Posts |
Posted - 05/12/2008 : 08:29:50
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Gezonheid,
I am no longer communicating through the forum email. Sorry. Everything you need to recover you already know. If you have read Sarno and Weekes, pick an approach and go with it. Weekes says just get back to living without fearing your symptoms. Very little different from Sarno. |
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Dave
USA
1864 Posts |
Posted - 05/12/2008 : 12:35:27
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quote:
Originally posted by la_kevin
I think the anxiety creates the TMS, so it's not "chicken and the egg" for me. I'm clear on the genesis.
Or so you think.
No offense but you don't know that. But it doesn't matter. And that's the key part to understand.
It is easy to drive yourself crazy with analysis. You cannot think your way to recovery. The part of our brain that is responsible for rational thought is completely separate from the primitive part responsible for emotions, and the autonomic part responsible for keeping our chemistry in balance (or not).
Anxiety does not "create" TMS. This train of thought is completely contradictory to Dr. Sarno's theory. You are free to believe what you wish, but then you should not refer to this as TMS. Dr. Sarno firmly believes that anxiety is a symptom, serving the equivalent purpose as pain. It is a chemical reaction induced by the brain that serves to distract us from unconscious rage. When your mind is consumed with anxious thoughts, you are "safe" from feeling the buried emotions that the brain deems too dangerous.
But again, even if you disagree with the finer points of the theory, it doesn't matter. The treatment is the same. "Float" through it. Don't fear it. Don't focus on it. Ultimately it comes down to reconditioning yourself to have different thoughts and reactions when you are aware of the symptoms, be it pain, anxiety, allergies, or any other psychogenic ailment. |
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seven
USA
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Posted - 05/12/2008 : 13:21:57
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Hillibilly is full of ****. There is no book titled "At Last a Life" by Paul David
Seven |
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Hillbilly
USA
385 Posts |
Posted - 05/12/2008 : 14:30:54
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Is that right, seven?
How about you follow the hyperlink above in the post by AmyAJJ and take out the spaces and see. Unbelievable! I suppose you don't know how to type "At Last a LIfe by Paul David" into a Google search. Sorry for challenging you too much.
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darlin
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Posted - 05/12/2008 : 14:40:48
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| I had no problem googling the book....... Seven, be nice. :) |
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gezondheid
50 Posts |
Posted - 05/18/2008 : 12:35:59
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In response to Hillbilly,
Thanks for your reaction, short but clear. Only the sentence pick an approach, Weekes or Sarno is not clear for me. I presume you only mean in relation to the symptoms. Because the 2 have a lot alike but have also different ways of curing this disorder.
I also have major problems with the distraction theory and the repressed emotions. Not that repression can't initiate symptoms but more as a signal via the body. And i think you can sort this out what it is. Otherwise the this disorder would be much more widespread. Everybody has repressed things, not only TMS sufferers.
Weekes doesn't refer to repression. Solve your problem she says and break the adrenaline - stress - fear cycle. Calm the nervous system.
Anyway thanks for your short reply.
Gezondheid
Greetings Gezondheid
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Hillbilly
USA
385 Posts |
Posted - 05/18/2008 : 15:54:03
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Gez,
There is little question about my allegiance to which method to use, but you have to choose for yourself. The key is remembering and understanding what is causing the problem and what to do about it. |
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2scoops
USA
386 Posts |
Posted - 05/21/2008 : 10:00:36
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I have to agree with Hillbilly on this book, At Last a Life. There is a lot of wisdom in this book. One of the biggest reasons we get physical symptoms is because our mind is not at peace. Therefore our nerves, muscles, ligaments, etc pay the price. Stress, fear and worry add up overtime and then we get symptoms. I would say a good amount of us are pretty big worriers. Worried about what can go wrong, worried about the future, pleasing others, being successful. Sarno said knowledge is the key, being aware of what is going on. That is the penicillin. Not trying to fix ourselves. If we become aware of what is going on, then overtime we lessen the fear. The fear of anxiety and the fear of pain is dimished, then the body and mind learn to become more at peace. If we learn to lose the fear and anxiety the body then can "heal" itself.
We can actually keep our pain levels high worrying about what is causing the pain, looking for that magiacl emotion, looking for that excat repressed emotion. Which can have a negative effect, because now were worried we may not find it, that it is so buried. The point is any kind of stress, tension, and worry can make the pain constant, even if we know it's TMS, we can still worry about finding that "repressed emotion" and the pain continues. That is one thing that has always put a barrier into my recovery. I was so worried about finding that repressed emotion, because I kept saying t myslef, how can I find it, if it is repressed? Which in effect only caused me more tension, which added to my fear, worry and stress. It's time to let go, and let the body be at peace so it can heal. JMHO |
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Pd245
58 Posts |
Posted - 05/21/2008 : 11:43:57
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I completely agree about the worrying contributing to the pain. One of the best books I have ever read on worrying is The Worry Cure, by Robert Leahy. I've been growing in leaps and bounds reading this book. For me, it was kind of like reading Sarno for the first time in terms of seeing myself in every page. Leahy says that worrying, among other things, is a way to avoid experiencing the sensations of anxiety. People who worry can actually reduce their anxiety levels ( at least temporarily) because they feel they're exerting some control over the situation. Also, very much in line with TMS, he says that people worry to supress emotions that are unpleasant. So, it's just another distraction ( which other people on this board can attest to). He adds that people who tend to worry cannot tolerate any uncertainty.
Just as an aside, one of the most helpful things he says in his book is that people who tend to procrastinate cannot tolerate discomfort. I found this so deeply true. After mining my past trying to determine why I've had this terrible procrastination problem, I've found this simple explanation to more helpful than anything else. |
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Good new book for anxiety
