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shamrock62081
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 Posted - 09/11/2009 : 09:38:30
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| After reading this post I completely believe my egg "allergy" is attributed to TMS. About 5 years ago at the age of 22, I developed what I believed to be an allergy to eggs, which I loved! I asked my doctor about it and if it was common to develop a food allergy in your 20's. His response was pretty much "that sucks". The wierd thing was that I could eat things with egg in them, but foods that I perceive as having a lot of egg in them would upset my stomach. Still working on my TMS related pain issues that have developed over the past year but I am hopeful now that I will be eating eggs again one day soon. |
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hottm8oh
USA
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Posted - 09/11/2009 : 20:29:10
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I think that not taking pain killers if you feel you need them could be detrimental to recovery.
Sounds contradictory, but hear me out.
If you are in severe pain, you are going to react emotionally to it which is going to continue to produce more pain. If your pain is lessened, you will be in a better frame of mind to work on yourself emotionally to prevent future pain. KWIM? |
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skizzik
USA
783 Posts |
Posted - 09/12/2009 : 08:17:52
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EDIT: long, lots of rambling, sorry
old thread, but what the heck, I used to battle this myself.
I think pk's are in the conventional treatment category, much like heat pads, ice, laying down when you just can't stand anymore.
In hindsight (I use that term alot now) I see that I fought hard, way hard. I used to get into my work van and as the pain became intolerable, I was sitting there with a bottle of ibuprofen, or tylenol, and debating wether to take it or not.
"If I take it, and it gets better, is'nt that a sign it's real pain?"
"I cant take it, how will I ever know it's TMS if it does'nt go away on it's own?"
"I can't shift in my seat, or lay down, I must keep sending the message to my brain"
And on and on, I recall on beautiful sunny saturday mornings my family laughing and having fun, while I retreated to the bathroom (for privacy) sitting on the toilet and crying it all out, "how much longer am I supposed to go thru this, I know what it is, why why?"
I feel a break came when I had a conversation with "hellny" who still had crushing pain after having an artificial disc put in. He went to see Sarno himself. I knew little of "hellny" execpt he was f-d like I was until he came back on the board months later to say he was like 70% better just assuming it was tms, and not fighting it.
When he took my call, I was baffled that he said he was'nt pain free and was fine with that the rest of his life, and will still sit with a heat pad at times for relief and give it no more thought than that. And he's done hoping he ever becomes pain free, but has confidence in a mere hunch that he's going to be even better years from now.
It took me a long time to get to that point of letting go. But an example I could give was, I recall golfing and my back was burning and stabbing and twinging and I refused to let my partners know. I was so wrapped up in showing some "tms gremlin" whose boss that I suffered so much.
A year later I recall golfing, and this time when we were waiting to tee off, I decided to f-it and would take a seat and rest myself while I waited for my turn.
Now, I don't recall if that was earlier this year, or last and I don't care, but now I don't even have the urge to sit at all, and golf is a pleasure. Well, accept for my ego thats driving me to be an awesome golfer, but thats another story for another time..haha
From what I experienced, giving into the pain, relaxing to it, not panicking (how you don't panic is what you'll figure out for yourself at some point, or simply realize w/ conditioning you don't do it anymore), not fighting is the path to letting go.
I don't know if that helps with the meds question or not though, I recall some relief after tylenol, but I think it's because the action of taking it reduced the mental tension, as if I was doing something about it.
2 years ago, on a saturday again at my kids soccer games I was telling my wife how bad the knife in my back was and she finally exclaimed "take some ibuprofen, you have an injury, a herniated disc is an injury, look at (friends name) she had to take something all the time, but she has a life, and sometimes the pain goes away all together."
So between games we went to the store and grabbed some ib's and I downed 800mg and recall relief in less than 8 minutes. (I had a stop watch on, and it may have been sooner, it's just that I looked at my watch when I realized I had significant relief and it happened to hit 8min) How can that be? Ibuprofen can take 30-40 min to calm a fever, or other pain, it can only be that the act of doing something released tension.
I can only deduct that this is what back surgery does, the act of anticipating doing something significant about the pain relieves tension, for a while anyways. Until the "what ifs" start to pop up, "what if I'm in the unsuccessful category, what if the doc doe'snt/did'nt do a good job, and on and on. The tension then rebuilds and read hillbilly's posts if you want to know more..lol
Where am I? I only meant to write one paragraph...lol
Oh, yeah, the meds, I still don't know where to go with that, I used to hate the feeling that I gave in, worse than suffering with it. A lot of people here say give in and take them. Dr. Schubiner said take them. Monte says take them. Of course it's with the knowledge you know whats going on.
I asked Schubiner, what of the point that Sarno says theres no inflammation in Back pain, so don't take any, and Schubiner said Sarno's theory of oxygen deprivation is just that a theory, and know one really knows what causes the actual pains TMS docs or otherwise.
But again, I'm realizing for me that this is only half the battle, and that Sarno says the treatment is based on 2 pillars, repudiating the physical, and the other which is acknowledeging the mental.
(EDIT: I knew it was mental, it's just that for years I kept writing about a shi--y childhood life and getting know where)
For me, it appears to be my ego. When my pain goes down (thats right, i'm not pain free, but God did I used to suffer bad)
I look for what my thought patterns are, and they are always along the lines of me saying "I'm a normal, average, good father, worker, golfer (ha), husband, friend, and don't have to stick out and try to be better and impress anyone, no-one cares anyways" I feel relief.
(EDIT: I do know that it seems that I have to keep feeding this ego as for some reason, I think due to parental neglect, I have been trying to stand out and impress others to get that attention I did'nt get early on. From reading Tolle, the treatment is to simply recognize when your'e in these patterns and claim it's just the ego making you do this, and not you and your'e on the path to healing. I reccomend reading Kjarvis's book "personal underworld" for more as well) (one more thing, talking to baseball65 he said explained to me that I have to keep feeding this ego because it's my worry that unless I can impress others I worry that I will ultimately be "alone" someday. hmmmmmmm....And I notice that the more I try to impress others, the more alone I seem to get, then the harder I try to impress them, cycle over and over)
Ok, getting off track, later yall !
Ok last edit, I swear...haha
So, I realized instead of trying to unlock "repressed emotions" that I felt built up from childhood, It has more to do with dealing with the unsatiable ego right now, that has it's orgins in childhood neglect, but writing about your childhood, and life over and over will only cause depression in my view and hindsight. Simply get to a place where you see how your ego has taken you over, created a "painbody" (Tolle) and then begin the process of letting go.
clearly theres a thread in me, that when I get some more time I'll put it down. Sorry for the hijack! |
Edited by - skizzik on 09/12/2009 08:35:42 |
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stefan
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Posted - 09/20/2009 : 00:24:56
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Wow! This thread has been dormant for nearly two years! I am happy to report I am 99% allergy free. No kidding.
Whereas for years, maybe 15 or better, I was suffering from seasonal allergies, get this YEAR ROUND, haha, I took claritin, flo-nase ($70 for a one ounce or something ridiculous like that, tiny spray bottle).
Interestingly, even before I heard of Sarno, I suspected it to be related to stress. For example, once I did an estimate for a big hospital, $15K, I was worried I wouldn't get it, I was nearly bed-ridden from sneezing and runny nose, I simply could not function. Except I would receive relief at mealtime or soaking in the bathtub. WHY? I asked myself.
Answer came in the form of 20/20 segment on Sarno years ago, but I still could not put an end to the "allergy" attacks. Finally I bought one of his books, Mindbody Prescription. Allergies were gone overnight. Relief lasted until I saw allergy medication ads on TV around March/April. I fought all summer long, on and off meds. Then Schubiner or not, I kept saying to myself: Increase blood flow to my sinuses, I need more oxygen there, etc, etc. It worked.
Now I see several of my friends sniffling, sneezing, looking miserable. I try to share the TMS knowledge, some accept, some don't. But I can hardly believe I am allergy free. I have other substitute TMS gremlins, over which at first I panicked. Then I did the mental battling and they were gone. Now they come and go, but I never panic. I just say oh well, this too shall pass. Generally I try to figure out what's going on inside, whose feelings am I afraid of hurting? Who am I trying to please in an unreasonable way? I do a lot of self assuring, befriending the child inside.
Does anyone watch the "Dog Whisperer"? Cesar Millan on national geographic. His dog psychology is so in tune with TMS theory/fact. For example, an unruly dog is easier to control if you immediately catch him focusing/zoning on something he is brewing to do. You have a split second to redirect the dog's mind and he is under your control. Believe me, my TMS gremlin is the same way. If you don't correct the dog immediately, e.g. he lunges at another animal, then you'll have a fight on your hands, you can subdue him but it will take some effort. It's better the first route, much better. You have to see him in action. He is never mean to animals and they are drawn to him. I treat my TMS in the same spirit and it works for me. Anyway, maybe a thread can be started on "TMS Whispering" another time. :)
And yes occasionally I do take meds. Is it a defeat? I don't think so. Temporary relief is OK with me, but I'm not into long term pill popping.
Yours truly,
"TMS Whisperer"
Ars Longa Vita Brevis |
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Fox
USA
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Posted - 09/21/2009 : 06:42:36
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| In Sarno's CD, I remember him saying to take a strong painkiller if necessary to recover from back spasms. So, he is definitely okay with painkillers for the short run. |
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Plantweed
USA
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Posted - 09/21/2009 : 07:07:05
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| If painkillers can get you back into physical activity quicker, and by lessening the pain, lessening the fear of the pain, than go for it, just keeping in mind that you'll ween yourself off them as you feel better. |
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Is taking medication declaring defeat?
