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mk6283
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 Posted - 10/12/2007 : 15:59:17
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I am a 3rd year medical student in NYC. I am writing to you all in regard to my interest in Dr. Sarno's work. Like many other TMS doctors, my personal appreciation for his work is a result of my own experience with mind-body disorders. During my 2nd year of medical school, I began to experience chronic low back pain with intermittent sciatica and my research at the time led me to TMS. Knowledge of the process was enough to cure me almost instantly of all my musculoskeletal complaints. Interestingly, I then began to experience one TMS equivalent after another as I am apparently a textbook example of the "symptom imperative" that Dr. Sarno speaks about in The Divided Mind . I have read all of his books, including the aforementioned The Divided Mind. Dr. Sarno has since helped me fight my way through chronic prostatitis, tension headaches, TMJ, tinnitus, and a slew of other TMS equivalents.
I am now personally interested in becoming a TMS trained physician. I have full faith in the mind-body connection and I truly believe that the future of medicine is in this work. However, I am a confused as to the best route to take in becoming such a physician. What is the best residency specialty to pursue with such intentions in mind? PM&R? Medicine? Psychiatry? Neurology? I have been trying to contact Drs. Sarno and Rashbaum without any success. Understandably their personal e-mail addresses are hard to acquire.
Were you all trained individually by Dr. Sarno? Do you know if Dr. Sarno still actively trains other physicians and/or medical students? Do you have any advice at all about how I can contact him? Do any of his "disciples" like Drs. Schechter and Sopher train other physicians/students? I have read all of Dr. Sarno's books, Dr. Sopher's book, Dr. Schechter's workbook, and a bunch of other books on TMS and mind-body medicine, but I still feel like I could benefit from such training, particulary with regard to Dr. Sarno's approach to the physical exam used to confirm the diagnosis of TMS.
I would truly appreciate any advice any of you can offer. I'm looking forward to hopefuly becoming a future colleague of yours. Thanks so much. |
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sensei adam rostocki
USA
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Posted - 10/12/2007 : 17:43:30
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Since you are in NYC, why not stop in at NYU Medical Center to visit Dr. Sarno. I am sure he would love to meet an interested student who already embraces his ideas. He is on the first floor of the Rusk Pavilion…IRM G G-30, just South of the entrance on 34th St. Best, Sensei
CURE-BACK-PAIN(dot)ORG |
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Penny
USA
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shawnsmith
Czech Republic
2048 Posts |
Posted - 10/13/2007 : 03:44:01
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As far as I know there are no doctors on this forum who have been trained by Dr. Sarno. There is a Dr. Drizzles (not his real name), but he is not a TMS purist like, for example, Dr. Marc Sopher who is a TMS purist.
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Sarno-ize it!
Read chapter 4 of Dr. Sarno's "The Divided Mind." Also chapers 3, 4 and 5 in Dr. Scott Brady's "Pain Free For Life" are very important. |
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skizzik
USA
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Posted - 10/13/2007 : 15:17:00
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Originally posted by shawnsmith
Dr. Drizzles (not his real name
Ziggles? |
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holly
USA
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Posted - 10/14/2007 : 08:14:24
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If I was younger and not married I would want to snatch you up! Finish med school only for the "Degree" and just become a TMS Dr.
You will have some bright future.
When I went to Sarno he pressed on a few points on my legs etc., asked if I felt pain, I said "yes" and he said "TMS"! It was that simple! If you are in NY I would talk to his secretary and ask when she thinks it would be a good time to drop by.
You are on a great career path. Don't give up! |
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JohnD
USA
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Posted - 10/14/2007 : 09:33:45
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armchairlinguist
USA
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Posted - 10/14/2007 : 10:55:01
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I'm not sure Sopher is a 'TMS purist' by your definition, shawn. He's a family physician from what I recall of his material I've read, and if he gets someone who isn't open to TMS, he treats them the traditional way.
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JohnD
USA
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Posted - 10/14/2007 : 11:46:02
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mk6283
USA
272 Posts |
Posted - 10/14/2007 : 13:19:42
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Thank you all for your feedback and words of encouragement. Penny -- thanks for the links to those audio files; even though there wasn't really any new information inherent in them, it's always good to see TMS getting the exposure it deserves. I feel really fortunate to have stumbled upon TMS so early in my life, enabling me to avoid what likely would have been years of unnecessary suffering resembling many of the stories written on this forum. The simplicity and elegance of TMS is so astounding that ignoring its role in whatever field of medicine I choose to pursue would be extremely unfortunate. I am leaning towards neurology for the time being, but I will keep you all updated as I continue my training. I also want to take this opportunity to thank all the participants in this forum for the wealth of information you have provided me with. I have learned more here than I have from many of the medical textbooks I have read. Knowledge of all the manifestations and nuances of TMS have really helped me in putting the pieces together. I look forward to contributing to the forum and continue to welcome any advice any of you can offer.
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Kvent
USA
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Posted - 10/15/2007 : 08:05:17
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Dear Medical student, Im a 50 yr old women who suffers TMS.
Im realatively good and pain free right now but i believe we all are at risk of the problem coming back unless we are aware of it and deal with it accordingly
Good luck with your studies and i only HOPE you go into TMS work, there are so many doctors out there that know about TMS, they just dont want to lose the money there patients are giving them.
If they suggest TMS they are no longer a need for the patient.
good luck Kvent |
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shawnsmith
Czech Republic
2048 Posts |
Posted - 10/15/2007 : 08:13:22
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Originally posted by armchairlinguist
I'm not sure Sopher is a 'TMS purist' by your definition, shawn. He's a family physician from what I recall of his material I've read, and if he gets someone who isn't open to TMS, he treats them the traditional way.
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Wherever you go, there you are.
That does not negate him being a purist. He has to do that for legal reasons or else he would be accused of refusing to treat someone. One cannot force someone to believe in TMS. If you read his book or chapter in the divided mind he is about as hardcore as one could get as far as TMS is concerned.
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Sarno-ize it!
Read chapter 4 of Dr. Sarno's "The Divided Mind." Also chapers 3, 4 and 5 in Dr. Scott Brady's "Pain Free For Life" are very important. |
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hschubiner
USA
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Posted - 10/15/2007 : 10:17:36
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Dear 3rd year medical student,
I'll help you with these decisions and give you some ideas on how best to prepare yourself.
I am a TMS doctor in the Detroit area and you can find my phone or email through any search engine.
Take care,
Howard Schubiner, MD
quote:
Originally posted by mk6283
I am a 3rd year medical student in NYC. I am writing to you all in regard to my interest in Dr. Sarno's work. Like many other TMS doctors, my personal appreciation for his work is a result of my own experience with mind-body disorders. During my 2nd year of medical school, I began to experience chronic low back pain with intermittent sciatica and my research at the time led me to TMS. Knowledge of the process was enough to cure me almost instantly of all my musculoskeletal complaints. Interestingly, I then began to experience one TMS equivalent after another as I am apparently a textbook example of the "symptom imperative" that Dr. Sarno speaks about in The Divided Mind . I have read all of his books, including the aforementioned The Divided Mind. Dr. Sarno has since helped me fight my way through chronic prostatitis, tension headaches, TMJ, tinnitus, and a slew of other TMS equivalents.
I am now personally interested in becoming a TMS trained physician. I have full faith in the mind-body connection and I truly believe that the future of medicine is in this work. However, I am a confused as to the best route to take in becoming such a physician. What is the best residency specialty to pursue with such intentions in mind? PM&R? Medicine? Psychiatry? Neurology? I have been trying to contact Drs. Sarno and Rashbaum without any success. Understandably their personal e-mail addresses are hard to acquire.
Were you all trained individually by Dr. Sarno? Do you know if Dr. Sarno still actively trains other physicians and/or medical students? Do you have any advice at all about how I can contact him? Do any of his "disciples" like Drs. Schechter and Sopher train other physicians/students? I have read all of Dr. Sarno's books, Dr. Sopher's book, Dr. Schechter's workbook, and a bunch of other books on TMS and mind-body medicine, but I still feel like I could benefit from such training, particulary with regard to Dr. Sarno's approach to the physical exam used to confirm the diagnosis of TMS.
I would truly appreciate any advice any of you can offer. I'm looking forward to hopefuly becoming a future colleague of yours. Thanks so much.
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shawnsmith
Czech Republic
2048 Posts |
Posted - 10/15/2007 : 19:07:48
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Howard Schubiner, MD has produced a TMS centric meditation tape that helps one focus their mind when thinking about repressed emotions. I fould it helpful.
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Sarno-ize it!
Read chapter 4 of Dr. Sarno's "The Divided Mind." Also chapers 3, 4 and 5 in Dr. Scott Brady's "Pain Free For Life" are very important. |
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Kvent
USA
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Posted - 10/15/2007 : 20:42:36
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Hi Shawn, I have Dr. Shubiners Meditation tape and I find it SO helpful too.
I take it along with me, with a cd player with headphones if im sitting somewhere waiting and i find it so relaxing.
I will warn you though, His voice is hypnotic, I cant lay on the bed and listen to Dr. Shubiners tapes,  I fall asleep every time, lol
Karen |
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JohnD
USA
371 Posts |
Posted - 10/15/2007 : 21:08:14
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| I would have to second Shawn that Marc Sopher is as hardcore as they come, sometimes I feel like he is even more hardcore than Sarno |
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rjm
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Posted - 10/16/2007 : 13:06:46
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How does one order Dr. Shubiner's Meditation tape? I tried to find a web site for him but couldn't?
Also does anyone know of a TMS doctor in the Denver/Boulder CO area or a nearby state I would think this area is major enough to have one but I have come up empty so far and due to my pain would prefer not to have to go to L.A. as a longer plane ride would not be fun.
Thanks all! |
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shawnsmith
Czech Republic
2048 Posts |
Posted - 10/16/2007 : 19:34:05
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quote:
Originally posted by rjm
How does one order Dr. Shubiner's Meditation tape? I tried to find a web site for him but couldn't?
Also does anyone know of a TMS doctor in the Denver/Boulder CO area or a nearby state I would think this area is major enough to have one but I have come up empty so far and due to my pain would prefer not to have to go to L.A. as a longer plane ride would not be fun.
Thanks all!
I just knew someone would ask that question Here is the contact information for Dr. Shubiner: http://www.stjohn.org/MindBodyMedicine/
He is in Southfield, MI
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Sarno-ize it!
Read chapter 4 of Dr. Sarno's "The Divided Mind." Also chapers 3, 4 and 5 in Dr. Scott Brady's "Pain Free For Life" are very important. |
Edited by - shawnsmith on 10/16/2007 19:38:17 |
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rjm
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Posted - 10/16/2007 : 22:07:38
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| thanks much for the answer Sean--I'll check it out. |
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