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armchairlinguist
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 Posted - 08/24/2007 : 09:33:50
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I actually do take the advice I get here very seriously
I would like to hear more about what you have been doing to follow our advice, then. I think you took a good step in challenging the pain, even though you didn't have immediate success, and I know you have been reading TDM -- also good. (I'm a bit unconvinced about the therapist issue, because, like a few others have mentioned, I think by focusing on the car crash you are barking up the wrong tree.)
What are your thoughts on TDM? Are you finding it helpful? Are you journaling in a tape recorder or notebook now? Making the pressure lists? Changing your thinking? If you do these things, do they help? What insights do you get? Let's hear it. This community can give great feedback about those sorts of things.
I am not trying to be mean -- I believe you take the advice to heart on a mental level -- but I get the impression your continued doubts have been get in the way of it sinking in at a deeper level, because all I usually hear you say is "Thanks for the advice". I don't very often see you responding to the advice by taking action and writing some reflection on what happened because of the action.
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Singer_Artist
USA
1516 Posts |
Posted - 08/24/2007 : 09:38:11
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Mike,
I plan 2 deal w/ my childhood in therappy! |
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mamaboulet
181 Posts |
Posted - 08/24/2007 : 09:41:19
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| how the heck does anybody even FIND a real therapist these days? When I told my doctor that I was having major anxiety/depression/anger issues, she handed me a big ol handful of Effexor samples. Good God!! That stuff is serious poison. |
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Singer_Artist
USA
1516 Posts |
Posted - 08/24/2007 : 11:36:44
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I know what you mean, mamaboulet..I'm not into taking medication either..It's like applying a bandaid for the real problem..
ACL,
I was waiting to get further into TDM before commenting..But so far it's great..I am reading several other books simultaniously..Can't say much now on my out..Will write more later..
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swmr1
USA
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Posted - 08/24/2007 : 12:39:19
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Get over it w/ ur sarcastic comment, swmr1.
Not attempting sarcasm--it just seems this discussion has happened before.
Karen--you are an artist. You probably have an artistic and, I'd venture to guess, a dramatic personality. I'm guessing what makes you good at what you do is partially a flair for the dramatic. However, every good quality has a flip side and I think the flip side for you could be that you tend to dramatize things. Now, I can't know that for sure, but it sure does seem like that in some of your posts.
I'm sure your accident was a bad one. I've been in an accident where my car was totalled too. But I never considered treatment for PTSD. I think of PTSD as what war veterans or victims of violent crimes go through. Car wrecks don't come easily to mind. But that's just me.
I have a hard time with the "victim mentality". That's my own problem. But you sound like you live in that mentality and I don't think that's helping you one bit. You are a strong person who can handle more than you think you can. I wish you'd believe that and stop feeling so helpless. |
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Singer_Artist
USA
1516 Posts |
Posted - 08/24/2007 : 15:04:30
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Sorry I over-reacted, swmr1..
Thank you for your wise and encouraging words..
Karen
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Singer_Artist
USA
1516 Posts |
Posted - 08/24/2007 : 15:07:26
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| Thanx Acl.. |
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miche
Canada
283 Posts |
Posted - 08/25/2007 : 10:52:00
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| Karen, I totalled my car, doved into a river, landed on a boulder after it flipped a couple of times, the roof caved in and barely missed my head, gas was leaking , I escaped through the side window, it left me nevous about driving for a while, drove so slowly I was a menace on the road, I got over my fears, believe me it does not do any lasting damage. I f you go by the law of average , what are the chances that this will happen to you twice? My accident happened forty years ago , the week I got my driver's permit, I have not been in an accident since. |
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Singer_Artist
USA
1516 Posts |
Posted - 08/26/2007 : 07:16:51
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Hi Miche,
Wow that sounds like a bad one.. Glad you recovered fully.. My problem is that I've had 3 car accidents, all since I moved here to Vegas, a little over a decade ago.. The entire time I lived in NJ I never had a single accident.. People drive like total crap in this town.. Too many people, with different driving styles from all over the World.. I have a friend who never even had 1 accident, and she is afraid driving here..
God bless,
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Dave
USA
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Posted - 08/26/2007 : 10:03:48
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It is one thing to be afraid of driving. This is certainly understandable and reasonable after a car accident.
It's another thing to use it as a reason to apply the "PTSD" label to yourself and seek treatment. It's no different than someone with total body pain being diagnosed with fibromyalgia, or foot pain with plantar fascitis, or one of my favorite new pseudo-diagnoses: restless legs syndrome. These labels serve to give more life to the symptoms, when we really should be ignoring them.
I'm not saying PTSD is not a legitimate diagnosis for some. I can't imagine what kind of long term damage childhood abuse or severe trauma could cause.
But in the context of TMS, structural (or in this case, psychiatric) diagnoses can only serve to magnify and perpetuate the distraction. |
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Singer_Artist
USA
1516 Posts |
Posted - 08/26/2007 : 11:24:26
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Hi Dave,
Understood..I often wonder about the long term effects of the physical abuse I dealt with as a child..I thought I dealt with most of it in therapy years ago..But, who knows..
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Dave
USA
1864 Posts |
Posted - 08/27/2007 : 08:10:50
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| The things that cause TMS are often the things that you either don't even realize are bothering you, or know about but say to yourself "no, I don't think it's that..." |
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Singer_Artist
USA
1516 Posts |
Posted - 08/27/2007 : 11:09:54
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| That's interesting, Dave..Off hand I cannot think of anything that could be upsetting me that I'm not aware of..I've been "stuck in awareness" for a long time.. |
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armchairlinguist
USA
1397 Posts |
Posted - 08/27/2007 : 19:55:19
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Karen, it seems clear at this point that the problem is that awareness is just not enough. You need to do something, such as dig deeper emotionally, and/or take definite steps with the TMS work. Hopefully at this point you are.
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Singer_Artist
USA
1516 Posts |
Posted - 08/27/2007 : 23:56:30
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| I am, ACL..and it's not easy.. |
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Singer_Artist
USA
1516 Posts |
Posted - 08/27/2007 : 23:59:24
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| I am, ACL, and it seems like a bottomless pit.. |
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Webdan65
USA
182 Posts |
Posted - 08/28/2007 : 06:25:09
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That's the thing about the deep journaling. It can bring up all sorts of bad memories and can be quite depressing. This is why Sarno says some people would rather have the physical pain than deal with the emotional pain that is buried.
I know after a few weeks it was a struggle for me to continue journaling consistently. Sometimes I just didn't want to keep thinking about the bad stuff.
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armchairlinguist
USA
1397 Posts |
Posted - 08/28/2007 : 09:32:50
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Remember the Growing Toward Wholeness essay that I linked you to? The author said the same thing, that it seems like a bottomless pit at first, and that it's a lot of stuff to deal with and very painful. It may take a long time. But it's not bottomless. You will eventually come to an end, to a point where all the big stuff really has been processed and integrated. (There's always ongoing work, of course.)
It's NOT pleasant or easy. I have mentioned a few times, if you look at my past posts, that once I got into the emotions I could see why the brain thinks it's easier to have physical pain. And I don't want to be comparative, because it doesn't generally help, but I suspect you have more to deal with than I do, so you may feel that way even more so. But right now you don't really have a better choice, because you can't lead your life in the kind of pain you're in. The physical pain is the true bottomless pit here, since it's false pain and can be constantly generated. If you are able to do emotional work, that is the true pain, so it can be worked through and finished.
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mamaboulet
181 Posts |
Posted - 08/28/2007 : 09:43:53
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| Just making the first list was a "whoa!" experience for me. I can't imagine how scary deep journaling could get. I'm still just working on simple visualization. I drew a picture of a "person" as represented by a network of blood vessels madly pumping blood to all parts of the body, in red. I first visualized the blood vessel person when I was taking a hot bath and the bath water was running. It reminded me of Fantastic Voyage, with the little miniature ship inside the body. |
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Singer_Artist
USA
1516 Posts |
Posted - 08/28/2007 : 13:02:15
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| Thanks everyone..I still haven't done much writing because it just increases the pain to unmanagable levels..However, I am constantly thinking psychological now and tears have been flowing alot for me the last few days..I have noticed the more I get in touch with the deep sadness, the better I feel physically..I realize it's a journey for me.. |
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Tendonitis question
