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art
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 Posted - 06/05/2007 : 17:02:33
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I surmised that Alexis was an especially sensitive person as an explanation for putting that information in her Bio. TT, you obviously caused her some pain and distress and it's her way of dealing with that...Or so I'm guessing. Doesn't seem a huge mystery really.
At the risk of being accused of more amateur psychoanalysis, the admission TT, that you're a sensitive person too strikes me as self-evidently true...It's also the most open I've heard you be about your feelings, which I think (bearing in mind that you did not ask and quite probably have zero interest in) is a good thing.
IN a nutshell, it seems that Alexis hurt your feelings too....
So stop the presses: we're all human!!
TT, I've told you many times I bear you no animosity. I think you're a good guy. When we started getting into these debates way back when, my impression was that you enjoyed them as much as I did and really couldn't care less about my, or any one else's opinion about you. I gradually came to realize that was not at all the case, and the more I realized it, the more I dialed back my responses. I enjoy discussion, whether political or personal very much. It's a great learning process and often lots of fun. But it stops being fun when people get hurt.
I'm just guessing, again, that if you sent Alexis a personal e-mail and asked her nicely to remove that stuff, she just might do it. I doubt very much that she wanted to hurt your feelings. |
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shawnsmith
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tennis tom
USA
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Posted - 06/06/2007 : 00:19:09
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Originally posted by art
I'm just guessing, again, that if you sent Alexis a personal e-mail and asked her nicely to remove that stuff, she just might do it. I doubt very much that she wanted to hurt your feelings.
Art, you are acting TOTALY onesided in this. Once again, I want NO contact with her. You ask her nicely to remove the stuff.
In regards to whether she wanted to hurt my feelings, as John MacEnroe would say: "You CANNOT be serious!"
Some of my favorite excerpts from " _THE DIVIDED MIND_ " :
http://www.tmshelp.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=2605
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tennis tom
USA
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Posted - 06/06/2007 : 00:23:13
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Originally posted by vnwees
tt;
absolutly NOT an attack, tom. many of your words have helped me over the months.
vicki
I appologize for misconstruing your post Vicki...it's that fog of war stuff.
Some of my favorite excerpts from " _THE DIVIDED MIND_ " :
http://www.tmshelp.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=2605
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art
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Posted - 06/06/2007 : 04:34:43
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Art, you are acting TOTALY onesided in this. Once again, I want NO contact with her. You ask her nicely to remove the stuff
Not sure how you can address an entire public thread to her and not want any contact, however, what the heck. I will ask her. NOthing ventured....Her e-mail link is no longer up so I need to do it publicly.
Alexis, would you be willing to take that stuff about TT out of your bio? MY sense is he feels badly about the whole exchange with you and it's clear that the material you have up is painful to him. I don't think your intent was to hurt anyone... |
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shawnsmith
Czech Republic
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Posted - 06/06/2007 : 05:40:12
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Originally posted by MikeySama
What does this really have to do with TMS though? This is kind of turning into a flaming contest, and i think it will probably heat up a little more.
Mike
Oh Mike, it has a LOTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT to do with TMS when you understand the real purpose of these occasional flare-ups on the message board. Mostly displaced anger away from the real source and reason behind repressed internal white-hot rage. Read it for what it is and you will smile at the whole fiasco.
*******
Sarno-ize it!
Do you have a pain-prone personality?
http://www.bradyinstitute.com/aboutBook/painProne.asp |
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alexis
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Posted - 06/06/2007 : 06:07:24
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Originally posted by art
Alexis, would you be willing to take that stuff about TT out of your bio? MY sense is he feels badly about the whole exchange with you and it's clear that the material you have up is painful to him. I don't think your intent was to hurt anyone...
Hi Art,
I'm afraid not. It was put up there for practical reasons. 1) To defend myself against the untrue and misleading charges of a bully personaliity who has no hesitation to repeat off topic insinuations longer than any normal person desires to continue a discussion, and 2) to warn others who may be new here and risk thinking that a "discussion" with Tom can lead anywhere.
Tom has shown no indication of having learned anything that would lead me to believe his behavior will be different in the future.
Interestingly he has shown contempt every time I have seen it suggested to him that he might want to take others feelings into consideration in his posts. If my bio has inadvertently hurt him perhaps he has learned something about the nature of words and how they can, even when true, cause pain. But I have seen no indication of that or any other change that might lead to his treating others with more respect.
I don't believe in filling up posts with these discussions which is one reason my response is spelled out in my bio. In posts, as you see, this goes on and on with the same ideas fought over and over. I think it is best to leave things as they are. Tom will learn to live with it as everyone has had to live with his behavior.
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art
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Posted - 06/06/2007 : 07:40:59
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OK Alexis, I appreciate your honest reply. I know this is not something you take lightly. We tried. Perhaps if TT apologized you'd reconsider, though based on past history I doubt that's going to happen.
But then again, TT has gotten to the point where he can admit to being a sensitive fellow, so perhaps there's hope after all..TT will get angry with that perhaps, but he's got to see that it can't be some sort of freak coincidence that he's perpetually embroiled in conflict with people.
I take some responsibility for some of the off the beaten track activity the forum's been subject to over the last 6 months or so. I'm just the kind of person who enjoys debate, but genuine anger makes me very uncomfortable. When it becomes apparent people are being hurt, it's no longer fun.
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tennis tom
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Posted - 06/06/2007 : 08:18:54
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I have NOTHING to apologize for to Alexis, she has a lot to apologize to me for. I do not feel hurt by what she put in her bio about me. I wanted to give her the opportunity to expunge it before I replied to her point by point, in oder to save her hurt since she is SO sensitive.
Art, you are incorrect that I am angry, contemptuous is more like it. Alexis came here and got "cured" by Dr. Sarno, this board and also by me holding her nose to the fire and constantly have to point out her "in-accurate" TMS thinking.
Along the way she littered the board with nocebos undermining people's faith in the "science" of Sarno. She has a antiquated view of science (or had, now that she is has experienced the Good Doctor's medicine).
She's a prime example of the Yuppy entitlment generation, take, demand, insult, built upon an imagined superiority to her blue collar lessers who do not possess higher degrees.
This is not a 12 step AA program. I have no need to self-flagelate and admit to some character failures I don't have. Art seems to have the need to create a concensus of unhappiness here to join the "misery club" to be accepted. Art, you can be the razor-back, alpha male here. I have no desire to be the leader of the TMS heard.
Let's start with that and see where this takes us. I don't need to hide my thoughts and emotions in my Bio. If Alexis needs to warn people about me, then let me warn them about her noceboes in regard to TMS science, which is differnt than her conventional "science", although I assume she has changed her views now that she has received the TMS "cure".
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art
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Posted - 06/06/2007 : 08:36:41
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All very interesting as usual. As you say,let's see where it goes. I missed the back and forth between you two way back when.
No interest in being the alpha male. Or even the beta. Still, I'd be lying if I said I didn't want to be respected.
That said, you've got a lot of support on the forum TT. You've helped a lot of people and that's hard currency around here. If you don't mind being perpetually at war, and chasing away the occasional newbie, I'm not going to try to show you the error of your ways. I have enough trouble figuring out my own stuff... |
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h2oskier25
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Posted - 06/06/2007 : 09:55:18
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Originally posted by Alexis
1) To defend myself against the untrue and misleading charges of a bully personaliity who has no hesitation to repeat off topic insinuations longer than any normal person desires to continue a discussion, and 2) to warn others who may be new here and risk thinking that a "discussion" with Tom can lead anywhere.
It's just truly LAME to put a personal attack about anybody in your BIO here. I mean REALLY.
Alexis, . . . please . . . trying to defend yourself and warn others? I don't think that's fooling anyone. We all read forums at our own risk of being offended, or we shouldn't read them at all.
Appears to me one person can't "continue a discusson" without others participating.
A personal attack doesn't belong in anybody's bio, especially on this forum
To me it really shows that Alexis is the one that can't let go, and has to keep reliving her pain and suffering.
BTW, did you ever really READ any SARNO? (OK, that was me just kidding around, but I know it won't be taken that way . . .  )
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tennis tom
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Posted - 06/06/2007 : 10:20:57
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Originally posted by art
I'd be lying if I said I didn't want to be respected.
That said, you've got a lot of support on the forum TT. You've helped a lot of people and that's hard currency around here. If you don't mind being perpetually at war, and chasing away the occasional newbie,
Thanks for the kind words Art (and I'm being sincere). Respect and good science do not necessarily go hand in hand. Historicaly, many scientists like Dr. Sarno, who made scientific break-throughs were regarded as mad-men or qaucks by their contemporaries. They fought constantly with their detractors to present and prove their views, i.e., Newton, Galileo, Cloumbus.
When their views are finally embraced by the popular media and public, (usually after they were dead and pennyless) others made money off their great IDEAS and civilization benefited.
If I have a lot of support here, it is NOT evident to me. On occassion I get some positve feed back by e-mail which would do me more good if it were posted here.
I think my "board buddies" feel intimidated to express their moderate/anarchist opinions here for the same reasons I'm accused of running off people. My people just walk away quietly, with class, not dropping a trail of explectives in their wake.
Being popular, having friends or making enemies is not my purpose for being here. It's for learning and exploring TMS info "accurately" and observing it's applicaction towards positive out-comes.
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Shary
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Posted - 06/06/2007 : 10:24:42
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tennis tom
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Posted - 06/06/2007 : 10:38:36
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Originally posted by Shary
I see that nothing has changed on this forum during my absence. It's still all about TT's need to make it all about TT.
Yup, thanks for the kind words, Shary. The more things change, the more they stay the same. Everything old is new again. And I'm sure next time you return here you will say the same lovely things. As the screen said to you: "THANKS FOR YOUR CONTRIBUTION".
Best Wishes,
tt
Some of my favorite excerpts from " _THE DIVIDED MIND_ " :
http://www.tmshelp.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=2605
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h2oskier25
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Posted - 06/06/2007 : 12:40:09
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Hi TT,
It seems just yesterday you passed 1000 posts, and now you're close to doubling that!! Cool.
We'll have to break out the Champagne and the Cinnamon Pop Tarts.
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shawnsmith
Czech Republic
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Posted - 06/06/2007 : 12:44:28
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I want to rack up 1000 posts. I hate being an "average member." I hate the word "average" as it is a subtle put down in my thinking.
Saying Shawn is average is as insulting as say Shawn is a f-ked up person or a moron.
*******
Sarno-ize it!
Do you have a pain-prone personality?
http://www.bradyinstitute.com/aboutBook/painProne.asp |
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Sean
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Posted - 06/06/2007 : 14:06:44
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At a boy Tom...I knew you wouldn't let me down. I almost didn't even check for a response today (I forgot about it). Unlike you, my time is not consumed by the board. And thanks for proving that theory right...I see you posted 4 times yesterday and 5 already today just on this thread. I can't imagine what your total is for the day. How can you be living a life and still be on the board 24/7.
Anyway, I only read part of 2 of your responses because I frankly don't have time for all 9 of them (twice you had 2 replies in a row...impressive). I noticed that 2 replies, both to myself and art, you claimed we were projecting. Did someone read a psychology book, Hmmmm?
Anyway, you are right you didn't drive me from the board (I never said you did) but as for saying I don't know you, well since you post every 3 seconds I think I know more about you than you do about me.
You say "It is human nature (or should be) to defend oneself when attacked" well if you read the attached thread from my original post you will see that you were the attacker. Go ahead a be rude and hide behind your claims of humor or "tough love". But I find it interesting; if these mindless posts you speak about bother, you why are you still compelled to respond? I think it is for the same reason you pointed out Alexis' Bio when no one was reading it...Attention. You crave it. You may want to journal about your need for Attention there Tommy-boy.
I'm not mad at ya, I know that is just the way you are wired up. You can't help it. Good luck with the hip. You can post a reply and bash me all you want with your trusty Thesaurus in hand, but I may or may not get to it...I have a life to live.
Have fun reading the board and posting all night. |
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tennis tom
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tennis tom
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Posted - 06/07/2007 : 09:49:41
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Mornin' Sean,
Just got up from a good, painless night's sleep. In reply to your nasty little post, I still can't tell if your a boy or girl, maybe you're metro. One thing I do know is that I'm one of your TMS distractions, because other than bashing me, you make NO contribution to the board. Yet you, feel entitled to slander and mock someone who has and does greatly contribute to providing ACCURATE TMS knowledge and help here.
People like you kept bashing the Board's founder AustinGary, until he finally threw in the towel, left the board and hasn't been heard from since. I wish him well, miss his contribution to the board and his wide knowledge on many subjects regarding health, fitnes as well as on many other things.
You keep claiming that I do nothing but spend my time 24/7 working on my post count. If you only knew the truth, and I cordially invite you to do a ride along with me for a day and you would learn a lot. Obviously you are judging me by YOUR productivity standards and that must be minimal. If you came to me for a job, I doubt you would be hired.
So what is it that you have done with your life that qualifies you to take pot-shots at a stalwart of this board who has helped many people find the right track to TMS wellness?
You wrote NOTHING in your bio? Is their NOTHING for you to write about?--not even your sex or age? What is this indicative of accept that you didn't even bother to do the bare minimum to have a say at this board. What is your contribution to this board or to life?
Who are you to criticize me? It's people like you who contribute nothing yet feel entitled to bash everything that have brought us to this dismal point in our culture of mediocrity. The pencial pushers and bureaucrats are calliing the shots. No wonder TMS is epedmic, it's the legacy of our couch potato, sit at a desk in a cubicle society.
The empire is in danger of crumbling from within, the inmates are running the asylum. Worshiping mediocrity is the order of the day.
I was thinking about copying my work and play agenda from yesterday for you Sean, but you're not worth it. Instead, I'll do a search and see where AustinGary is hanging out these days.
Have a nice day 
Some of my favorite excerpts from " _THE DIVIDED MIND_ " :
http://www.tmshelp.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=2605
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