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kevin t
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 Posted - 11/16/2006 : 11:11:08
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Ive studied the threads on here as I am new to this TMS theory.I also belong to another "back pain" forum and started to see a pattern more with "TMS " people.Ive noticed that a lot of back sufferers have O.C.D. traits. Theres no judgment there because I myself suffered years with O.C.D.Im wondering if its all related, I know Dr.Sarno thinks it is, but can an obsessive mind contribute to this epidemic in the "information age" I wonder.If there is always a "problem" with ones physical or mental self,that can serve a purpose not seen by the conscious.Im also noticing that the TMS sufferers are more intelligent which may add to the worry. Just a thought.Maybe in the future the treatment for chronic pain will be to just go skydiving and try to light yourself on fire on the way down.Or maybe it will be a phrase like " I order you to stop pain in the name of the universal code of pain laws". Maybe its some simple thing like pinching your right ear twice and yelling "googamooga".
Just lending some humor for the fellow OCD'ish folks LOL |
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Redsandro
Netherlands
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Posted - 11/16/2006 : 11:32:17
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Lol I could use a T-800 from the future to explain one of those remedies to me. But what's O.C.D.? 
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kevin t
USA
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Posted - 11/16/2006 : 11:39:21
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Redsandro
Netherlands
217 Posts |
Posted - 11/16/2006 : 11:48:06
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(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Obsessive_compulsive_disorder)
Heh, I like to think of myself as intelligent, but I don't really think I have any OCD manifestations except maybe for thinking and counting alot.. if that counts.
Did you know there are 10 kinds of people?
Those that can count binary, and those that can't. |
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kevin t
USA
72 Posts |
Posted - 11/16/2006 : 11:58:47
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| well i was kinda serious.Im not saying everyone here has OCD.I just noticed that it has an obsessive nature to it.Thinking about pain,"whats wrong with me",lemme research a little more,where can I get this book,I need a second opinion,etc.etc.Im guilty of this too so its not an indictment of anyone,its just interesting. |
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armchairlinguist
USA
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Posted - 11/16/2006 : 12:03:24
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Howard Stern used TMS theory to cure himself of OCD. Since then, Dr. Sarno says he has regarded it as an equivalent.
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whitris
USA
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Posted - 11/16/2006 : 12:18:50
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some armchair psycho-babble here:
OCD is about holding and letting go of things. We fear letting go, because we may lose something forever or get punished for letting go at the wrong time...toilet training issues (?) ...lots of ways to look at this. But as adults,this fear would naturally lead to rage...if we hold onto one thing, we cannot grab something else we need; we get stuck.
Solution: recognize that it is OK if we hold or let go..we won't die or lose love if we do. This can reduce subconscious rage....
I like John Bradshaw and his work on this from "a childhood in the family" perspective. Or else try several years of therapy. : ) |
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Littlebird
USA
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Posted - 11/16/2006 : 16:28:30
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I do have off and on experiences with OCD behaviors. So does my son.
Whitris, I was really struck by your statement about how we fear letting go, because we may lose something forever or get punished for letting go at the wrong time, and so we get stuck. That's a big part of my battles with the perfectionism trait--wanting to always make a perfect decision and over-analyzing all the available data to try to do that. I like your solution.
Redsandro, I loved the binary joke--I had to immediately tell it to my son, who also found it very funny, and he's passing it on to his computer friends.
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Redsandro
Netherlands
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Posted - 11/16/2006 : 16:55:51
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I can imagine OCD is TMSish, but it seems to me that it's harder to 'cure.' The rage-distraction story doesn't fit just like that. But if Howard Stern did it..
Littlebird, seriously, there are actually just 3 types of people.
Those that can count and those that cannot. 
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westcoastram
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Posted - 11/16/2006 : 20:30:15
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I contribute on and off here on the site and I, for one, suffer from Body Dysmorphic Disorder.
I happen to be a guy and it tends to manifest itself in body image issues of size - I was a big time bodybuilder whose TMS destroyed his pasttime.
BDD is an equivalent of OCD as many other forms of body image issues are: Bulemia, Anorexia...etc...
I've seen a pyschotherapist ever since I started my TMS journey and she mentions how many of her chronic pain clients and TMS clients have some form of OCD. |
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tennis tom
USA
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Posted - 11/16/2006 : 20:44:34
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Originally posted by Redsandro
Littlebird, seriously, there are actually just 3 types of people.
Those that can count and those that cannot.
THAT'S VERY FUNNY! |
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Wavy Soul
USA
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Posted - 11/17/2006 : 00:51:56
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"Im also noticing that the TMS sufferers are more intelligent which may add to the worry."
Aha!
This is the real problem, I think! We are so **** intelligent!
Seriously (sorta), have you noticed how much more intelligent and nuanced this forum is than many others?
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kevin t
USA
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Posted - 11/17/2006 : 00:56:43
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I think I can qualify as being such a smart azzz that I make myself sick.Way to go brain.Wooohooooo I win , I win.Im so smart Im in constant pain and have no life.I winnnnn.Maybe if I become smarter I can paralyse myself into a coma and think my way out of it.Then I will rename myself "NEO VON AWESOME" the TMS Jedi.
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Redsandro
Netherlands
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Posted - 11/17/2006 : 02:37:55
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I sense that there's also a less hostile and more helpful atmosphere. I used to visit a computerforum with very smart people, and it was all like RTFM, Use the search, already discussed and I'm not answering noobs.
You said it Kevin, we are all so smart that we make ourselves sick! Maybe we're so sick of the stupidness in the world that we unconsciously do this, sort of like hunger strike. If we learn to appreciate this messed up world, there would be no need for us to 'hunger strike' :P
Has anyone concidered taking magic mushrooms to figure this all out? :P
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tennis tom
USA
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Posted - 11/17/2006 : 10:22:38
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I wouldn't confuse being smart with being a walking data base. My yoga teacher used to say that his biggest problem was that his students were "too well educated". Our education system today puts a premium on memorization (perfectionism) rather than teaching thinking.
Our culture takes great joy in nit-picking, the dotting of i's and the crossing of t's rather than understanding concepts. If we can catch a foe in a "gotcha" moment of mistaken data, then they can be dismissed and demonized.
Great environment for creating TMS! |
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kevin t
USA
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Posted - 11/17/2006 : 12:48:58
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| Yeah, i agree with all points. OCD is called the "Doubting Disease" because patients are often afraid of lack of control.The typical OCD patient fears the unknown very much. So we use ditractions in the way of obsessions/compulsions to soothe this fear. Much like TMS.I saw an OCD specialist months a while back, before I even heard of TMS. Now that I know about TMS I see some weird identical patterns with TMS people and OCD people. But the most widely successful and almost universal way to treat OCD is called "exposure therapy". In this therapy, youre actually taght to accept your "bad thoughts". They even make you think the worst thoughts habitually to desensitize your brain and NOT just go on with your daily life like Dr Sarno says to do with TMS. So treating TMS and OCD seem almost opposite in practice.Can get really confusing having both. |
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Littlebird
USA
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Posted - 11/17/2006 : 14:18:04
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In a way, Dr. Sarno's advice to live your life is like exposure therapy, because we do the things we're afraid we shouldn't be doing, the things we're afraid will hurt us. At least it seems that way to me.
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h2oskier25
USA
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Posted - 11/17/2006 : 15:16:14
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Ok, I say we start the official brotherhood (and sisterhood) of the "googamooga" cure. Sign me up.
I nominate Kevin T to be Head Googa.
I would like to run for Mama Mooga! That's fun to say 
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Originally posted by RedsandroMaybe we're so sick of the stupidness in the world that we unconsciously do this, sort of like hunger strike.
I HEARD that, redsandro. If only it worked 
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Curiosity18
USA
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Posted - 11/17/2006 : 18:58:56
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kevin t,
A TMS therapist, Don Dubin also stresses that you need to accept your negative thoughts in relation to your symptoms (in other words, surrendering to the possibility that the pain will never go away). This seems similar to the OCD treatment approach. Maybe other folks who have worked with Mr. Dubin can comment more on this. Unfortunately, this approach was not helpful to me. It just made me more hopeless. I certainly agree that many TMS sufferers, including myself have components of OCD.
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tennis tom
USA
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Posted - 11/17/2006 : 21:03:55
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quote:
Originally posted by Littlebird
In a way, Dr. Sarno's advice to live your life is like exposure therapy, because we do the things we're afraid we shouldn't be doing, the things we're afraid will hurt us. At least it seems that way to me.
Good point Littlebird! Returning to "normal activity" as Dr. Sarno says. |
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Wavy Soul
USA
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Posted - 11/18/2006 : 08:38:14
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Originally posted by Curiosity18
kevin t,
A TMS therapist, Don Dubin also stresses that you need to accept your negative thoughts in relation to your symptoms (in other words, surrendering to the possibility that the pain will never go away).
In my not very humble opinion, this idea of accepting negative thoughts is a misunderstanding. It's the negative FEELINGS that need to be accepted. Sometimes the only way to access them is through the thoughts they are attached to. But once you get into the feeling, it's essential to CHANGE THE THOUGHT, because thinking it more DOES create more of it.
I've seen so many people make this mistake. "Oh, I'm just accepting that I will never get better." "You need to surrender to the "reality" that you are ill."
It's b****t. Those are just depressed, limited beliefs. DON'T SURRENDER TO THOSE!! The thing to surrender to is the FEELINGS that holding those beliefs for lifetimes has created, as habitual energy patterns that are so painful you have created symptoms to avoid them.
How to surrender to feelings? It's a long story, in my professional and personal experience - not the simplest thing. But just saying
"I feel sad (or angry or afraid) because I USED to believe I was going to be ill forever (or whatever the limiting belief)"
is a great start and will help immeasurably. Then remind yourself that the old belief is a lie, and that you are healing right now.
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Love is the answer, whatever the question |
Edited by - Wavy Soul on 11/18/2006 08:42:39 |
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