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Singer_Artist
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 Posted - 07/14/2006 : 13:38:45
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| Sorry Hillybilly...I shouldn't have spoken for you...I apologize... |
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Singer_Artist
USA
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Posted - 07/14/2006 : 13:42:01
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| And why is this mirroring a dysfunctional family system when we have these heated discussions? It's weird..but being a goodist I HATE to start controversy of any kind..And I do have a deep need to be liked and for approval from everyone...Part of my lead singer mentality, no doubt...I just want PEACE on here and in my life as well...It's stressful for me to either be involved in a 'fight' or to even witness one second hand..And it seems that 'fights' have been going on here way b4 I joined...Is it part of the TMS I wonder? |
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Singer_Artist
USA
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Posted - 07/14/2006 : 13:54:11
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Dear Art,
Ahhhhhhhhh! I just want to scream! Like I said I hate confrontation...And so now I am feeling guilty for what I wrote in reaction to some of your comments...I am sometimes too outspoken for my own good...And I am not myself right now because the pain has been going off the charts...I don't want this talk on Creation vs Evolution to put a rift in our friendship...And again, this all shows me how much of a people pleasing goodist I really am...But I am sincere in what I am saying here...And I did 'react' defensively to what was supposed to just be a discussion about the meaning of life...I don't want to be so damn sensitive..I hate it...And I don't want to get into the middle of an intense debate either..I should have kept my mouth shut...because now I feel even more stressed out and I don't need that right now..It goes staight to my neck muscles..And last night was one of the worst nights of my life, pain/muscles spasm wise...I painted longer then my TMS conditioning would allow..and my body reacted really bad...I have a big art show coming up and I want to get into a positive space for that...I want to be able to move my head when people are asking me about my art work...I am rambling, clearly...Again...I am sorry Art if I offended you in any way...That was not my intention.
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tennis tom
USA
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Posted - 07/14/2006 : 13:56:30
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Originally posted by wolf29
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Originally posted by Singer_Artist
Oh well..I should have listened to mom..she said never discuss religion or politics..lol..
Ok, who's up for good sex discussion then? 
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art
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Posted - 07/14/2006 : 14:41:06
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Hello all,
I just got back from a very tough day on the golf course (not)and see you've all been quite busy while I was out ther hacking it up!!
Karen, no offense taken.  I think you're so wrong on this it's not even funny, but that has nothing to do with how I think about you as a person...Adults can have disagreements without hating each other. I know going into these discussions that nobody's ever going to change their mind. It's just not done. In the history of the world, I don't think one person has ever said to another after hearing another's views on politics or religion or whatever, "Well my goodness. I see the light now. I was terribly wrong and thank you so much for pointing the way for me..
TT, you wrote quote:
It is amazing to me how you associate all the evils of mankind with me,
This is simply not true. I only associate some of the evils of mankind with you. I'm sure there are at least a couple that you don't have anything to do with
And hillbilly, I think you're right, that we do have a lot in common..There's an awful lot of b.s. in the world, and to the extent that we can cut through that we're all much better off..Not sure what that means exactly, but it sounds good, and for the time being I'll leave it at that...
Peace to all my good friends....
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Singer_Artist
USA
1516 Posts |
Posted - 07/14/2006 : 15:46:21
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Thanks Art.. |
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shawnsmith
Czech Republic
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wrldtrv
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Posted - 07/14/2006 : 20:39:15
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Art--I don't know what more I can add to your argument. I agree with everything you've written on this subject. And you're also right that there's no way you are going to change the position of a true believer. I know; I've got a fundamentalist brother I've been arguing with for almost 30 years.
The really scary thing for me is how incestuous Christian fundamentalism and right wing politics have become in the past several years. And there's a large group of cynical politicians who are more than willing to seize whatever advantage they can get out of it--all in the Republican party, of course.
I heard something on the radio; some sort of 50 yr study that found that 25% of the population tends to crave authoritarian leadership, prefer not to think for themselves. It seems that an astounding 23% of these fearful people are Republican.
I know plenty of fundamentalists and most of them are great people; truly good, generous people. That's not the problem. The problem is when they, in their goodness, want to force their religion on me. No thanks, I'll make my own decisions. |
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Curiosity18
USA
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Posted - 07/14/2006 : 21:13:58
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| Oh, my God! Are we on yet another religious thread? TT, you should know better than to get something like this started! Would it help put things to rest if I told you that I heard through the grapevine that the great Dr. is an Episcopalian? Or will we need to discuss for another 100 posts whether or not he actually attends services on Sunday, thus leading to another drawnout saga of Christianity versus everything else? Art, will you marry me? |
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art
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Posted - 07/14/2006 : 21:17:04
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Originally posted by wrldtrv
Art--I don't know what more I can add to your argument. I agree with everything you've written on this subject. And you're also right that there's no way you are going to change the position of a true believer. I know; I've got a fundamentalist brother I've been arguing with for almost 30 years.
The really scary thing for me is how incestuous Christian fundamentalism and right wing politics have become in the past several years. And there's a large group of cynical politicians who are more than willing to seize whatever advantage they can get out of it--all in the Republican party, of course.
I heard something on the radio; some sort of 50 yr study that found that 25% of the population tends to crave authoritarian leadership, prefer not to think for themselves. It seems that an astounding 23% of these fearful people are Republican.
I know plenty of fundamentalists and most of them are great people; truly good, generous people. That's not the problem. The problem is when they, in their goodness, want to force their religion on me. No thanks, I'll make my own decisions.
There was a column written by JOhn dean in the Boston Globe today, arguing that Bush and company are actually not conservative at all, but arrogant, authoritarian, bigoted, small minded power mongers who brandish their religious fundamentalism like a weapon...and oh yes, who have a thing for torture as well..
It's a truly scary time in our country..That good people with kind hearts fall prey to all this fundamentalist religious crappola is quite sad to me...
I didn't think it was possible for me to geniunely loath a president, but I defintely feel that way about Bush//
EDit: JUst to add, I hated Clinton passionately as well..BUt Bush is in a league all his own..I can't wait for this administration to be over.. |
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Susie
USA
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Posted - 07/15/2006 : 09:21:15
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| Art, I think Dean wrote a book on the subject. I saw him on Jon Stewart the other night. I have nothing against conservatives and think some of their physical policies are correct, but I'll bet you I hate this administration more than you, although it's hard to measure loathing. It's the most incompetant group of lying pukes I've ever seen but I really think and hope America is on to them, don"t you? |
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Singer_Artist
USA
1516 Posts |
Posted - 07/15/2006 : 10:02:33
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| I am a devout Christian follower of Jesus,,,HOWEVER,,,I am NOT a fundamentalist and I HATE BUSH and feel embarassed to be an American right now...CHristianity and Conservatism do not go hand and hand..I have alot of Christian friends who are even more liberal then I am... |
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Susie
USA
319 Posts |
Posted - 07/15/2006 : 10:24:36
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I am quite the liberal but I don't believe Bush is really a conservative. I am not embarassed to be an American but I am so terribly angry that the Bushies hold the reins of our country. I think he embarasses himself in his ignorance. The sad thing is that hundreds of thousands of people worldwide will suffer for his incompetance. I am not a Christian but I have never equated fundamentalism with Christianity.
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Singer_Artist
USA
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Posted - 07/15/2006 : 10:53:37
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Hi Susie,
I hear you and agree Susie...The whole world is suffering because of Bush and the Bushies! Can you take a quick look at what I wrote to wolf in the post 'pain on the run..?' I wanted to get your take on it..Hope you are doing well..
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Karen |
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Susie
USA
319 Posts |
Posted - 07/15/2006 : 11:03:32
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| Karen, that doesn't surprise me, after all, your unconscious is running the show and it works when we are awake or asleep. Look at how we dream. By the way, I haven't heard anyone in ages suggest the book, Taming your Gremlin by rick Carson. It is a great little book and really brings about an awareness of the gremlins existance and gives one the ability to "notice" when it has hyjacked your brain. By noticing, one can usually stop the little devil immediately. Really helps difuse alot of anxiety. |
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shawnsmith
Czech Republic
2048 Posts |
Posted - 07/15/2006 : 11:08:58
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Pastor appointed by Bush won't apologize for remarks
on Islam
BY BRENDAN FARRINGTON
AP POLITICAL WRITER
http://www.heraldtribune.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060711/APP/607110945
TALLAHASSEE, Fla. -- Rev. O'Neal Dozier has two
missions, and he has been outspoken about achieving
both: saving souls and helping Republicans.
A personable black pastor and former professional
football player from Broward County, he has associated
with Gov. Jeb Bush and recently introduced
gubernatorial candidate Charlie Crist at a meeting
with other pastors - an event at which he said Jesus
Christ told him Crist would be the next governor.
But after Dozier called Islam a cult and began
fighting a mosque planned for a largely black Pompano
Beach neighborhood, Bush's office asked him to resign
as a member of a commission that nominates judges for
appointment. His views, criticized by Muslims, will
mean his political involvement may be less
influential, which he sees as a regrettable
consequence to his primary mission.
"I need political influence in order to obtain the
things that I think that I need to obtain for the
Lord, Jesus Christ," he said Tuesday, two days after
turning in his resignation. "I would love to be able
to maintain that and at the same time win souls for
the Lord. But I guess sometimes that's not possible."
And so he offers no apologies and continues to say the
Quran is evil.
"My agenda is speaking on behalf of God because I'm a
preacher That's my calling," said Dozier, pastor of
The Worldwide Christian Center. "I will not back down.
I can't. For me to back down wouldn't make me."
Dozier says black men are receptive to Islam and he
doesn't want their souls to be lost. He also believes
Islam uses the Quran to teach violence. He said black
men are angry enough without being taught violence
against those who don't share their believes. It could
create situations like the terrorist plot to blow up
the Sears Tower that the FBI says it discovered in
Miami, he said.
"If you look at the Quran, all the way from the
beginning to the end it speaks of evil and violence,"
Dozier said. "The problem is, I find that most people
who are apologetic for Islam are those persons who
have not read the Quran."
His attitude is a misunderstanding of Islam, Ibrahim
Hooper, a spokesman for the Council on
American-Islamic Relations.
"He might take a look at his Bible again and see what
Jesus what would do in these circumstances," Hooper
said. "I doubt that Jesus, peace be upon him, would
seek to increase divisions and hostilities in the
society in which he lived. Jesus preached love and
respect, not hatred and mistrust."
Bush first appointed Dozier to the judicial nominating
committee in 2001. His current term was to end next
July.
Crist, the state's attorney general, asked Dozier to
introduce him at a pastors' breakfast in Miami in May.
Dozier told the group that Jesus came to him in a
dream and told him Crist would be the next governor.
Crist is facing state Chief Financial Officer Tom
Gallagher for the Republican nomination.
The Crist campaign said the candidate doesn't share
the pastor's views on Islam.
"Charlie Crist is happy to have his support. Just
because someone supports Charlie Crist, it doesn't
mean he agrees with their views, it means they agree
with his," said campaign spokeswoman Erin Isaac.
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tennis tom
USA
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Posted - 07/15/2006 : 11:34:20
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quote wrltrv :
"I heard something on the radio; some sort of 50 yr study that found that 25% of the population tends to crave authoritarian leadership, prefer not to think for themselves. It seems that an astounding 23% of these fearful people are Republican"
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I saw that study in the NYT, and it said another 25% of the population tends to crave anarchy and not to think at all, and 23% of those are demos.
Both Hitler and Stalin used the same term for these folks : "useful idiots" |
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tennis tom
USA
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Posted - 07/15/2006 : 11:37:59
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Originally posted by Curiosity18
Oh, my God! Are we on yet another religious thread? TT, you should know better than to get something like this started! Would it help put things to rest if I told you that I heard through the grapevine that the great Dr. is an Episcopalian? Or will we need to discuss for another 100 posts whether or not he actually attends services on Sunday, thus leading to another drawnout saga of Christianity versus everything else? Art, will you marry me?
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tennis tom
USA
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Posted - 07/15/2006 : 11:56:07
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Originally posted by Curiosity18
Oh, my God! Are we on yet another religious thread? TT, you should know better than to get something like this started! Would it help put things to rest if I told you that I heard through the grapevine that the great Dr. is an Episcopalian? Or will we need to discuss for another 100 posts whether or not he actually attends services on Sunday, thus leading to another drawnout saga of Christianity versus everything else? Art, will you marry me?
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tennis tom
USA
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Posted - 07/15/2006 : 12:11:03
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"It's the most incompetant group of lying pukes I've ever seen but I really think and hope America is on to them, don"t you?"
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Do you attribute this to the large number of minorities and women he has appointed to his cabinet? |
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