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victoria
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 Posted - 06/07/2006 : 18:10:27
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I know that Dr Sarno in previously books had said fibromylagia was extreme tms. Did he back off from this statment in hist new book? I had a little trouble understanding this.
I feel as though I had worked at this, did pschotherapy, read his books (stop re reading them, obviously that's a problem) Have been diagonosed with osteo, a touch of fibro. ( I really want to deny that part) The pain seems to get worse as well as anxiety. |
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Nor
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Posted - 06/07/2006 : 20:02:19
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Victoria,
I got the impression from The Divided Mind that his ideas remain the same about fibro. I can also tell you that I saw him last fall and his words were pretty clear to me: "Fibromyalgia does not exist. Its TMS." I've had a pretty good experience w/his program and therapy but it wasn't immediate. It takes awhile. I agree about the denial part. I actually don't see it as denial anymore. I've changed my label and perspective on a set of symptoms. I feel much more in control now. I don't know where you are located but maybe you could find a TMS therapist.
One other thing I'm still learning....don't stop reading and doing the work - even if you feel better.
Good luck.
-Nora
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drziggles
USA
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Posted - 06/07/2006 : 20:21:14
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| If fibromyalgia in particular is your problem, I would recommmend "Freedom From Fibromyalgia" by Nancy Selfridge. Good book, with more specifics about that condition (which really is just "super-TMS", and often, but not always, with more serious emotional baggage as a root cause (e.g. sexual/physical abuse, etc.)). |
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miche
Canada
283 Posts |
Posted - 06/07/2006 : 22:10:13
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| Hello all, I am confused about the fibro, I just read The mindbody Prescription again and what Dr Sarno does say on page77 is that he has always maintained that fibro is a severe form of tms, yet he adds after saying that he has successfully treated many fibro patients , that and I quote" MOST OF MY PATIENTS DID NOT FULFILL THE DIAGNOSTIC CRITIRIA SET FORTH BY THE AMERICAN COLLEGE OF RHEUMATOLOGY, BUT WERE TOLD THEY HAD FIBRO NEVERTHELESS" I read this as saying they did not have fibro to begin with,at least did not meet the critiria, a lot of us do meet it and we were diagnosed by rheumatologists, I had 18 tender points among other things is there something I do not understand here? Any insights would be appreciated, Miche |
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drziggles
USA
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Posted - 06/08/2006 : 06:34:52
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| I think that what he meant is that most of them had a pain syndrome that their physician could not accurately diagnose (without knowing about TMS) so they inappropriately slapped the label of fibromyalgia on it. He is not saying that he doesn't think fibromyalgia is a form of TMS. Does that make sense? |
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n/a
560 Posts |
Posted - 06/08/2006 : 07:38:37
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| Your brain sounds like it does the same thing to you as my brain does to me. Keeping you filled with doubts and grasping at straws to find any reason at all not to accept the TMS diagnosis. Sigh! |
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dwinsor52
USA
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Posted - 06/08/2006 : 14:37:29
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Fibromyalgia is definitely TMS. In my opionion Sarno talks about Fibromyalgia VERY frequently. I think you are having some fear and not really taking in what he is saying.
I had "fibromyalgia" (I refuse to use that term any more) for 20 years and I am pain free today. I was told I would never get better if I had it for more than 5 years. I personally spoke to Dr. Sarno about fibromyalgia, and can guarantee you that he feels this is one of the biggest travesties in medical science today - that so many people are suffering and told they will never get better. I highly recommend his video presentation to let the ideas sink in. He talks about fibromyalgia on that.
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miche
Canada
283 Posts |
Posted - 06/08/2006 : 16:09:26
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| Thank you all for taking the time to address my concerns, Peter you are dead on about me, I am struggling with this, FOR INSTANCE I just had someone dig out my basement from the inside to keep water out, have had years of allergy symptoms and sinusitis, would you not know it even though my back was better than ever, despite the hard work of cleaning up after the working crew left, I have been sick ever since with the worst sinus problem, I cannot breathe through my nose, I have chills and feel like something the cat dragged in , the inertia is awful, now I hate taking antibiotics so I am trying to tell myself that I was expecting a reaction to the mold and it happened but it is so difficult, still the day I cleaned up I was frustrated with the constant work this house has caused me as I bought a money pit, also that very day my son called to say he still cannot find work and that created such emotional conflict as I feel inadequate to help him at the moment where I always could before or I should say did even when I could not yet I sympathise with his predicament as he is a good kid |
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miche
Canada
283 Posts |
Posted - 06/08/2006 : 16:16:18
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| Do any of you know if sinusitis is a tms equivalent, also had hives that day, should I take the antibiotic? streoid nasal spray? would you? I did salt irrigation but it does not help much, thank you all for your support, sometimes reading this forum is the only thing that gives me hope , especially that you are all so caring , I think that the last ten years of constant stress is finally going to break me down, yesterday I was so depressed that I felt no hope about anything, bad place to be at, any input would be appreciated. |
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n/a
560 Posts |
Posted - 06/09/2006 : 06:43:18
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| Just as my TMS was beginning I got the hives. It was horrid and I had to take pain medication. In page 49 of Healing Back Pain Dr. Sarno lists hives as a TMS equivalent. In one of Dr. books, and I cannot remember the reference, one person suffered with sinus problems and recovered with Dr. Sarno's TMS treatment. |
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moose1
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Posted - 06/09/2006 : 07:18:55
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Originally posted by victoria
I feel as though I had worked at this, did pschotherapy, read his books (stop re reading them, obviously that's a problem) Have been diagonosed with osteo, a touch of fibro. ( I really want to deny that part) The pain seems to get worse as well as anxiety.
For what's it's worth, I know someone who was actually bedridden with "fibromyalgia" for almost a year - this after having it for several years. This all took place while she was in an abusive marraige. She finally got divorced and the jerk she was married to moved away. Within two weeks of the guy leaving town, she was pain free and has been ever since. That was about four years ago. Sometimes it's as clear and easy as that, but usually it's not.
On page 320 of Sarno's new book, Dr. Douglas Hoffman states that "the severity and chronicity of one's symptoms is proportional to the underlying pain that harbors in the unconcious and the triggers that evoke pain." This has helped me a lot.
Moose |
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n/a
560 Posts |
Posted - 06/09/2006 : 08:02:41
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| The psychotherapist I was seeing suffered with back pain for years. She went to a chiropractor (professional liars who don't even understand basic physiology) for years with no improvement. But when her abusive husband left so did her pain, just like that! |
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Susie
USA
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Posted - 06/09/2006 : 08:22:43
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| Miche, Sinus problems are definately tms. I had a "sinus infection" for a year. I took 4 series of different antibiotics, salt sprays,chills every night, exhaustion,flushed face,blah,blah blah. The sinus infection left with the back pain. I also had a good case of hives off and on for 6 weeks. The fact that you broke out in hives should be a good indication to you that something is emotionally bothering you. Hives are most definately tms. You always feel sick with the sinus trouble. I always had large dark circles under my eyes and would spend many evenings inhaling steam so that I could breathe. Please take heart. Treat it like tms and it too will leave. |
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Nor
152 Posts |
Posted - 06/09/2006 : 15:13:45
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Okay, now its my turn to be a party pooper. Can we please stop blanket-bashing all health professionals?? I simply can't agree that all chiropractors are "professional liars who don't understand basic physiology". In fact, I believe that most are caring professionals - even if we don't always agree with their treatment approach. We've all had bad and good experiences. We tend to hold on to the bad ones much longer. Its just human nature.
This forum is supposed to be CONstructive. |
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victoria
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Posted - 06/09/2006 : 22:51:19
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| on a CONstructive note, suz's note re sinus infections (seeming to be a large underlying theme in this forum) was very helpful to me. Getting a symptom like the physical manifestation of chills, made it obvious to me there was a serious problem. I need to review it as tms, albeit stubborn tms. Feel much more in control now. |
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Fox
USA
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Posted - 06/10/2006 : 06:45:03
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Miche - of course you should take the antibiotic. Bacterial sinus infections are serious business with the chance of brain inflammation if left untreated... Sarno says it's okay to take medication for acid reflux even while doing the TMS work. He also says that it's okay to take prescription pain medication while at tha same time doing the TMS work. What would be the difference with a sinus infection?..Take the antibiotics and do the TMS work at the same time...Don't play around with a sinus infection.
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Susie
USA
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Posted - 06/10/2006 : 07:01:35
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| Miche, If you have never taken an antibiotic for the infection you could try it. I would personally never take one again as I am now convinced I really didn't have a bacterial infection, otherwise it would have responded to the antibiotic.People try to frighten you with brain infections the same way they try with mris and "you will never walk again". If it has been chronic for a while and you have already tried the pill thing, just try Sarno. Now, when I get symptoms,as I did this morning because we were talking about it, I remember it's my brain and the symptom goes away as it already has. |
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miche
Canada
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Posted - 06/10/2006 : 09:53:25
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| Sue, Fox, thank you for your advice, I think that Fox is right on this one, I have been delaying taking the antibiotic for over a week now and I am getting sicker,feels like a very bad cold that is now going into my chest, the fact that I have the colored mucous (sorry) is telling me that this kind of infection will not go away on it's own, furthermore I am getting too scared to wait any longer , hard to breathe no matter how many salt irrigation I do, also I cannot stop shivering , I get a sinus infection clock work every three months, I am sure it is related to the fibro, hence tms, when the muscles in my face get so tight , from stress, it may restrict the fluid into the nasal passage, hence the bacteria has a chance to take root, this may not be accurate I am just guessing at this, hopefully while doing the tms work I will eventually be able to prevent them from occurring, fact remain that it is too settled in my body to do anything but take my meds now, thank you both again, really appreciate your input, Miche |
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Susie
USA
319 Posts |
Posted - 06/10/2006 : 19:32:57
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| Miche, If the mucus is yellow I would take the pill. |
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carbar
USA
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Posted - 06/11/2006 : 00:53:17
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Hi! Thanks for your nice comments about my very first post in the forum.
From my own experiences, I've experienced symptoms of TMS as sinusitis. My "allergies" began to develop when I was in college.
I went to the doctor and got the requistite perscription for pills and steroid spray, the latter, the nurse practitioner explained, might possibley be harmful to use long term, but she used it for her asthma and it was the only thing that let her sleep at night. Dang.
The second year I had seasonal allergies, I went as far to have them stick a little camera up my nose to proclaim that I had a deviated septum(right term?), which was the cause of my allergies. When I asked the doctor whether I was born like that or it developed, he admitted that I was born like that. The reason he gave for why now it was affecting me seasonally? That really nasty "sinus infection" I had in December (right as I was finishing my last class for my degree...) for which I took antibiotics. Doc explained: That one infection must have triggered sensitivity in my sinuses, which the deviated septum complicated.
Good lord, that made no sense then and makes even less sense through the lens of TMS. And, since I was reading Sarno in Novemeber and have been recovering from tendon pain ever sense, I've weathered allergy season better than I have in 4 years. For the first time, I took NO drugs/sprays, and only had mild symptoms on those crazy days when the pollen coats the cars green and you can see it swirling.
Amazing how our bodies just want to find more outlets for TMS.
Personally, I would recommend again using the steroid nasal spray, not coz of my RNP's glib comment, but because from personal experiences I found it dried out my nostils. Also, because it is so strong it always made me feel my symptoms really badly if I skipped a day. So, better not to get started. I still have it in my medicine closet and there was a day or two when I really had to resist using it coz I remember how well it works.
Be well,
car
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miche
Canada
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Posted - 06/11/2006 : 09:54:57
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| Car, I don't understand, did you apply tms to your allergies? or did they not resurface because you were working on the tms for your joints? Miche |
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