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scorsese
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 Posted - 05/15/2006 : 17:13:26
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| I believe that Dr. Sarno is a genius and has made a major breakthrough in causes and treatment of chronic pain.Reading his book Healing Back Pain was like reading my biography.After reading his book i am 90% free of chronic back , groin and foot pain.Thank you Dr. Sarno. |
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Tunza
New Zealand
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Posted - 05/16/2006 : 02:09:42
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Great to hear another SuccessStory !
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Tunza
New Zealand
198 Posts |
Posted - 05/16/2006 : 02:11:51
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You can search for other any other SuccessStory that has been marked with this tag by using the search function.
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Posted - 05/16/2006 : 05:42:07
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I don't want to sound dramatic, but I reckon Dr Sarno turned my life around for me. I was well on the way to permanent disability and sinking into depression; then I read 'The Mindbody Prescription'.
I would have really liked to thank him in person, but I live in the UK, so that wasn't practical - I got a fellow forum member to pass on my thanks though, when she had an appointment with him.
Good to hear how well you are doing, Scorsese; you hit the nail on the head when you say that reading Healing Back Pain was like reading your biography. That's exactly how I felt as well. |
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560 Posts |
Posted - 05/16/2006 : 08:33:40
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| My symptoms also include severe back pain, groin pain and foot pain. All checked out with extensive tests with nothing showing up. The doctors could not recommend treatment as there was nothing they found to treat!!! I have also read all of Doctor Sarno's books as well as some other TMS books. I have to say, however, that I am not that much pleased with the progress I have made. |
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art
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Posted - 05/16/2006 : 09:51:43
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Originally posted by PeterMcKay
My symptoms also include severe back pain, groin pain and foot pain. All checked out with extensive tests with nothing showing up. The doctors could not recommend treatment as there was nothing they found to treat!!! I have also read all of Doctor Sarno's books as well as some other TMS books. I have to say, however, that I am not that much pleased with the progress I have made.
Have you made no progress at all? |
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tennis tom
USA
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Posted - 05/16/2006 : 11:21:41
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Hi Peter,
Sorry to hear about your lack of progress using TMS methods. Have you tried a TMS therapist?
Regards,
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tennis tom
USA
4749 Posts |
Posted - 05/16/2006 : 11:43:36
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I concur that the Good Doctor is a genius. Some day he will get the Noble Prize for medicine--I'm sure. Although my hip has been dx'ed by two TMS docs, as NOT being TMS, I still believe that his TMS approach is applicable to approx. 80% of what ails western humanity.
I feel TMS thinking can be used to decrease the pain of "real" injuies, as a volume control knob. I have been doing so for years, with my "arthritic" right hip.
I believe that the physical pain from "real" injuies can also be used by our unconscious to distract us from MORE painful emotional issues and secondary gains.
Some things are NOT TMS--but most are. The trick is learning to use TMS thinking to separate the wheat from the chaff. This doesn't happen overnight--you have to STUDY and learn the theory. Doctors go to med school for years, yet they cannot see the TMS tree for the forest--what chance do we mortals have?
In my medicine cab I keep band-aids, aspirin, rolaids and immodium--in my mind I keep TMS thinking. The Good Doctor's theory is a great tool for mental and physical well-being.
Although I'm sure Dr. Sarno has heard it often enough, thank you Doctor, for all your years of inspiration and perspiration. |
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560 Posts |
Posted - 05/16/2006 : 12:01:32
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I have had no progress at all and I have been at this for well over a year and a half. There are no TMS practioners in Canada. I have had a number sessions with Don Dubin via the phone but not much help. He has his own health problems to deal with right now. I also have had numerous sessions with another Psychotherapist who is accepting of the diagonosis and actually read Dr. Sarno's books at my request, but again no progress.
As days go by and the pain continues regardless of what one does or does not do, it becomes harder and harder. I have basically memorized everything Sarno has written, accepted everything he has said and can even detect when people stray from the Sarno path on this board, but it has personally done be very little good and this is why you do not see me posting much lately.
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armchairlinguist
USA
1397 Posts |
Posted - 05/16/2006 : 13:52:56
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I am yet another who feels saved from a lifetime of pain and problems by Sarno. I have been thinking of sending him a letter. I know he must get 1000s but I hope that each one is meaningful to him anyway.
Peter, I'm sorry to hear about your lack of progress. I have read a lot of past and recent threads on this board over the past month and I thought you must be far along because your comments are so straightforward and helpful! Best of luck for future progress. |
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Becca
USA
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Posted - 05/16/2006 : 14:57:42
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Many times, I think that the excessive and obsessive focus we put on our TMS symptoms perpetuates them and makes them worse. for example, I have had chronic neck pain for over a year. A vague diagnosis of a bulging disc was given for the reason. With that diagnsis, I got scared, tense nervous, and felt more pain, got more scared etc. Soon the pain, and its cause was all that I thought about. Even after approaching it from the TMS perspective, I was still obsessing about every symptom and continuously monitoring my pain level. The frustration about the lack of progress fed into the cycle.
In March I suffered from sudden unilateral deafness due to a virus. I was so upset about this and the impact that it has on my life and my future. I would have thought that the extreme stress would have made my neck worse, but in fact, it never felt better! I did not resolve any unconscious anger or rage, I just focused my mind elsewhere and that made a huge difference. Sometimes I think that we TMS people are easily caught up in the obsessive tracking of symptoms. Sometimes we need to just let go. I have found this approach useful when dealing with the tinnitus that my deafness has caused.-R |
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Stryder
686 Posts |
Posted - 05/16/2006 : 17:55:25
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I believe that Dr. Sarno is a genius...
Agreed on all counts.
It took me a couple years in all after I "got it". There was the initial "a ha" moment "oh my gosh every word on the page...Sarno is in my mind!", then many many months of unlearning bad habits.
Life is not perfect but TMS is no longer running it.
Take care, -Stryder |
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Scottydog
United Kingdom
330 Posts |
Posted - 05/17/2006 : 01:29:08
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Hello Peter,
Maybe the failure of Dr Sarno's ideas is actually your distraction. You have always sounded 100% in agreement with his theories so your brain comes up with what will most discourage you!
You could try taking painkillers and not visiting here or reading the books or wrestling with underlying fears and doing something else entirely. Something that doesn't need you to be cured of the pain to succeed. Learn a foreign language!!?
Anything is worth a try.
Anne |
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tennis tom
USA
4749 Posts |
Posted - 05/17/2006 : 12:14:38
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Hi Peter,
I did a cursory search of your recent and early posts. I couldn't find any reference to your physical or emotional TMS equivalents. Could you briefly list them.
It sounds like you are very knowledgeable of TMS in your mind. That's a good beginning.
In the past I have always referred people to the list in Dr. Sarno's books, of life's most stress creating situations: getting married, getting divorced, taking out a mortgage, paying off a mortgage, going to jail, getting out of jail, etc. This list is always great food for thought on the origins of our TMS.
I personally believe, even if we consciously recognize these situations, unless we can resolve them, to the satisfaction of our unconscious, they will continue to perpetuate our TMS.
They can be resolved, I believe, through an acceptance, that sinks down to our unconscious level, or by resolving the situation in our daily life, such as getting out of a TMS creating relationship.
To paraphrase the Good Doctor's quote of Emily Dickinsons's line, "Pitty that the slow heart, fails to grasp, what the quick mind sees at every turn".
Good luck.
tt |
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drziggles
USA
292 Posts |
Posted - 05/17/2006 : 15:21:20
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| Peter, I've wondered for a long time what motivates you to be so involved in a forum based around a treatment and concept that clearly has not helped you at all. You may not be posting much lately, but a year and a half of your time and almost 500 posts show an amazing (though some might say misguided or dysfunctional) commitment to something that has failed you. What are your thoughts on that? |
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HilaryN
United Kingdom
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Posted - 05/17/2006 : 15:58:30
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Pete,
I’m sorry to hear of your continued pain, too.
I would also ask what motivated you to start the TMS process and what makes you carry on?
For example in my case it was:
1) I’d had success with a couple of minor ailments.
2) (Perhaps a bigger factor) I was desperate for it to work, as I wanted to be better and nothing else had worked.
I’m thinking something must have given you cause to keep going?
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ssjs
USA
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Posted - 05/17/2006 : 17:58:54
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There is no question in my mind, that the more obsessed you become with this forum, the more pain you will feel. Even I who has been pain free from sarnos ideas for almost 20 years now, will feel a twinge when I check out these posts. And when I don't, there is NO twinge.
I stay away most of the time.
I was just passing through now, and I will say...
Peter,
find something else to do!
Get a life!
And I do not mean that in an insulting way, but obsessing over pain, yours and everybody elses, doesn't distract you from pain... it keeps you anchored to it!
Step away from the computer!
Feel the sun on your face.
Join real reality...not virtual reality.
When I did Sarno, there were no computers, no chat rooms and no forumns,
and I am just fine!
Sandy |
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allen_non
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Posted - 05/18/2006 : 06:05:21
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I was going to submit this snippet under a new topic, but this might be a better place for it. This has to do with dwelling on a pain when there is ABSOUTELY no injury.
The story:
When I was in the 6th grade, I read a book about Joe Namath, the NY Jets quarterback who had many, many knee injuries. I was sitting at my desk in school, and for about an hour I was reading about his knees and all the pain he dealt with, his treatments, etc.
Here's the kicker: when it was time to change classes, I went to get up from my desk and I could barely walk! My knees were very stiff and hurt like crazy. I was amazed (I'm 44 now, so this was 32 years ago) because as a 12 year old, there was no degeneration, no injury, nothing. Just my brain. I had to actively remind myself that I was NOT Joe Namath, and that there was absolutely nothing wrong with my knees. Then the pain was gone.
All this to say that dwelling on pain, even pain that isn't your own, seems to have the ability to produce some type of sympathetic response and create pain. Expecially if you're already on this forum because of your own pain (which we all are).
Best to all,
Allen |
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n/a
560 Posts |
Posted - 05/18/2006 : 09:07:46
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What else am I supposed to conclude Dr. Ziggles? Should I just lay down and suffer and not attempt anything? Should I run to those crack pots criminals in the medical profession who are all too eager to pop pills into my gaping mouth while lining their pockets on the sufferings of others?
I have gone through every test the doctors could think of with NOTHING showing up, I 100% fit the profile of a TMS type personality as outlined by Dr Sarno in his books, and have many of the symptoms mentioned in Dr Sarno's books.
To the person who asked for my physical symptoms, I do not talk of my symtpoms too much, although I have posted on them in the past. I believe the over obsession of talking about symptoms is acutally harming members of this message board when we should be talking about psycological issues. I read too much of "oh my aching back, or oh my aching foot, groin, leg, arm etc., and little of what is going on in people's lives and how they are responding to things. In fact, as someone alluded to, many feel worse after visiting this board.
But in responce to the question, my symptoms include severe foot pain (diagnosis of flat feet which any fool can see I don't have), diagnosis with non-bacterial prostatitus, which is now just groin pain and is a clear TMS equivalent and even the Urologist agreed it is Pysco-genic, and severe back pain which moves around alot. I have never had a physical injury and am not that athletic. All tests, including MRIs, x-rays, bone scans, dozens of blood tests etc., have revealed nothing. Even my doctor said in his 30 years of medical practice he never say anything like it. I have gone through numerous treatment programs in the past to no avail so I gave up on them all. I have also consulted psycho-therapists, again to not much avail except emptying my already thining wallet.
Much of the advice being offered by many people on this board is not based on anything I have read in Sarno (and I am known for quoting him chapter and verse much like a preacer does the Bible) and I have to insist that, for the most part, he is, as I have stated previsouly many times, being mis-read by the vast majority of board members. Maybe I ought to include myself in that.
I think one of the biggest problems is the insistence that we must recover within a short period of time or else we may want to question the diagnosis. This is wrong headed and is leading to more suffering for people like me and others who are stuggling with their recovery.
Peter.
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Originally posted by drziggles
Peter, I've wondered for a long time what motivates you to be so involved in a forum based around a treatment and concept that clearly has not helped you at all. You may not be posting much lately, but a year and a half of your time and almost 500 posts show an amazing (though some might say misguided or dysfunctional) commitment to something that has failed you. What are your thoughts on that?
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Hilary
United Kingdom
191 Posts |
Posted - 05/18/2006 : 09:50:54
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Peter,
I have read your posts with great interest over the months. You're very insightful and articulate, and a lot of what you've written and linked to has helped me.
With regard to your not healing faster, here is a thought: you say that you read:
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little of what is going on in people's lives and how they are responding to things
but to be honest I can't help but notice that you yourself don't seem to write very much about things in your life that make you angry. Your posts often seem to have an academic, intellectual quality to them which seems to circumvent an emotional response. I, too, am curious to know your emotional response to not healing. On some level you must, surely, be enraged - at Sarno, at the TMS theory, even at people on this board who ARE healing? What do you do with that rage?
I know you're a fan of Byron Katie and while her work has value I often feel that it can get in the way of TMS work. For example, to take an obvious example, TMS theory would suggest if you think "I believe my parents don't love me", it's important to try to feel the rage which that thought creates. Byron Katie's approach would question the reality of that thought in order to dissipate it, and I can't help wondering if this would potentially frustrate the inner child further.
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gevorgyan
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Posted - 05/18/2006 : 11:11:12
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Peter,
I am very sorry because of your lack of progress. I want to admit that I am 80% better. I do not remember the acute pain and I don’t want to!
Dr Sarno was the beginning. As you can remember I have asked here lots of questions, I had had thousands of doubts, and I came my own way to the place I am today.
According to my investigations the mind is dangerous thing. This can be a link to connect the man with….we do not know who is on another side. Accepting dr Sarno’s theory our mind due to our emotions tricks us. Who is this guy that want to fool me? Is it still me?
Do you believe in it? If we uncover the strategy would we destroy it, or would we encourage it to make us something really serious?
Another, the core conclusion is that if I suffer due to my emotions this means that not my mindbody, but my life must be healed.
For every Christian there is only one person, who can heal one’s life and this way my progress has been coming. Jesus heals not only TMS.
From time to time I feel buttocks pain but very slightly. And that what remained is not a fear but kind of reluctance to physical efforts.
Dr Sarno is for me kind of businessman, someone who offers total cure for long time sufferers must be popular. I expected that his new book will be written together with well known psychiatrist or psychologist. But either he doesn’t want to share the success or no one is interested in participating in his theory giving name as a co-writer. Neither first nor the second is a good news. With all my respect to his invention, as I mentioned it was my background to get out of the pain trap.
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