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Suz
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 Posted - 05/03/2006 : 12:21:52
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Hey all,
I haven't posted for a while because I am without back pain - zero - nothing!! It flared up briefly the other day when I got back from vacation and I laughed. It went away in 10 minutes! This is all thanks to Sarno. It is such a miracle.
However - I continue to battle food intolerances. I get really really tired when I have one cup of coffee in the morning and I eat sweets. My tongue is really sore and blistered and I am exhausted. I have little energy to work out. I have had issues wiht food for years and Sarno told me this was totally an equivalent. I am really not sure about that.
I would love to know if anyone has really beaten food allergies with Sarno's work. I am having little success |
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Scottydog
United Kingdom
330 Posts |
Posted - 05/03/2006 : 13:22:26
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I had gluten intolerance but it's gone apart from wind if I eat lots of white bread.
Thinking about it I also had extreme tiredness / weakness at that time and that's gone too but these things went gradually.
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Suz
559 Posts |
Posted - 05/03/2006 : 13:33:15
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Anne,
Thank you for responding to my post. I remember that you got over these food issues. So - you actually had tiredness?? Wow - was this around the same time as the food things? Sorry for the numerous questions but I know that I have convinced myself that I cannot eat any grains and mustn't even eat fruit because of the sugar.
Interestingly enough, I am in such a happy place in my life right now - I have started dating someone new who I really really like and my work is going so well. i have noticed that my skin has stopped breaking out and I thought that was food related. My Rosacea has also gone as I was able to go in the Sun with no bad affects.
Anne - do you really think this food is all TMS equivalents? |
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Scottydog
United Kingdom
330 Posts |
Posted - 05/04/2006 : 14:05:35
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Yes, I felt tired and weak after little exertion but, having read lots about the menopause, thought it was due to that! Two years on I'm feeling pretty fit.
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lobstershack
Australia
250 Posts |
Posted - 05/04/2006 : 16:47:45
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Scottydog,
Is gluten intolerance TMS? I received that diagnosis after testing positive on the IGG antibody test (negative on the IGa), but felt no relief after omitting gluten for a number of months.
Also, how does Sarno explain severe allergic reaction, i.e., life-threatening ones to nuts and shellfish. How about those born with such intolerances? I've always wondered this.
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374 Posts |
Posted - 05/05/2006 : 02:12:25
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It's good to hear you are doing so well, Suz. The food intolerances thing is a hard nut to crack - I used to consider myself lactose intolerant - I'm not. I enjoy a low fat yogurt most days with no ill effects. Like Anne, the 'intolerance' disappeared over time.
I feel sure that there are true allergies, Seth. The other day I ate some raisins - a brand I hadn't tried before and I came out in really nasty hives; raised itchy lumps all over my back and legs. That wasn't TMS. I worked out that the raisins were the only thing it could have been; didn't eat any more and the rash went away very quickly. That was probably an allergy to something called sulphides that are sometimes used as a glazing agent for dried fruit. I think they are banned in the USA, but legal here. |
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miche
Canada
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Posted - 05/05/2006 : 10:01:03
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| Seth, gluten is in so many foods, some, you may not suspect, do a complete research , you must read all ingredients in a product, if you have a problem with gluten even a tiny amount will give you symptoms, missing the proper enzymes to digest wheat or dairy is not a food allergy, no amount of tms work will put the missing enzymes in your body, some food reactions are not allergy related, the msg restaurant syndrome for instance does not fall into the true food allergy category, yet many books have been written on excitoxins like msg and aspartame and the havoc they cause in the body, we are expose to many additives ,preservatives, chemicals and hormones in our food , we are also exposed to a lot of polluents in the water and in the air, our soils are depleted, our vegetables are sprayed with insecticides,our dairy products are full of hormones and antibiotic residues, how can all these factors not affect our health, our bodies were not created to digest all these foreigh matters, check the ingredients on a container of ice cream for instance, chemical allergy may be a more appropriate name for food allergy, and it has nothing to do with tms but may certainly contribute to autoimmune disease , our weakened immune systems , our shaky nervous systems and a host of other new syndromes that are on the rise, yes I believe dr Sarno is right about tms and backaches and muscle pain still tms is only part of the problem with our modern day ills , please do not get me wrong I am not anti Sarno, on the contrary,I believe in his theories on back pain and anything that is muscle related , including some stomach problems, I believe in conditionning also, but there are other factors contributing to our ailments, not everything is tms, and to be told otherwise is simply not true , it makes us believe that if we do not get better it is because we do not apply ourselves enough, maybe we just need to check our cupboards and get rid of garbage food on top of reading and journalling, who knows we may even be able to concentrate better. |
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lobstershack
Australia
250 Posts |
Posted - 05/05/2006 : 13:40:51
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Miche,
Maybe you're right, but I can attest to the fact that I've come up numerous times as positive for certain food "intolerances" and even after cooking all of my food from scratch I experienced no relief.
I do believe a majority of food intolerances are merely TMS.
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Suz
559 Posts |
Posted - 05/05/2006 : 14:22:17
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| I met a number of Sarno's patients who have kicked their pain and strangely enough all sorts of other things went away - one of the big ones was "allergies". One guy was on medication for years. I believe that the brain will latch on to whatever is "in vogue" as a problem. Food intolerances are very very popular. My mother doesn't have any problems at all - so why do I? My sister doesn't either. So why do I? My brother has back pain and numerous food intolerances. He is convinced that his pain is related to what he eats - he doesn't want to read the book so I don't push it any more. I don't think there is any coincidence at all. I get a little acne, constipation and a little bloated. On vacation, I ate anything I wanted and I had no constipation and no skin problems. The whole thing just has to be nonsense - just one more way to distract me from my problems |
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miche
Canada
283 Posts |
Posted - 05/05/2006 : 14:35:25
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Originally posted by Seth
Miche,
Maybe you're right, but I can attest to the fact that I've come up numerous times as positive for certain food "intolerances" and even after cooking all of my food from scratch I experienced no relief.
I do believe a majority of food intolerances are merely TMS.
Seth
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miche
Canada
283 Posts |
Posted - 05/05/2006 : 14:39:01
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| Seth, Sue, first, thank's for the FEEDBACK lol, all I can say is you gave me FOOD for thoughts, lol, pardon my weird sense of humor!!!!!! |
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yowire
USA
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Posted - 05/06/2006 : 20:26:08
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From miche:
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yet many books have been written on excitoxins like msg and aspartame and the havoc they cause in the body, we are expose to many additives ,preservatives, chemicals and hormones in our food , we are also exposed to a lot of polluents in the water and in the air, our soils are depleted, our vegetables are sprayed with insecticides,our dairy products are full of hormones and antibiotic residues, how can all these factors not affect our health, our bodies were not created to digest all these foreigh matters, check the ingredients on a container of ice cream for instance, chemical allergy may be a more appropriate name for food allergy, and it has nothing to do with tms but may certainly contribute to autoimmune disease , our weakened immune systems , our shaky nervous systems and a host of other new syndromes that are on the rise....
Wow miche! You are really on the wrong road here. I've been down this road. It has one destination. TMS.
These are all deceptions that are used by your unconscious mind to cause symptoms. The sooner you forget about all these very questionable chemical body beliefs, the healthier you will be.
Our immune systems are not weak, they are strong. Our nervous systems are not shakey, they are healthy. The host of other new syndromes aren't really new at all, they are TMS.
I realize that there are some people who have problems with chemicals that are not psychological, but Suz is right in pointing out that most of these intolerances are due to the fact that they are currently in vogue.
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miche
Canada
283 Posts |
Posted - 05/06/2006 : 23:28:04
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| Yowire, you may be right, all I know is that I felt confident , that I was on the right track, my back was better than it had been in a long time, so confident was I THAT i REINTRODUCED ALL THE FOOD i HAD BEEN STAYING AWAY FROM, now I feel worst than ever on all fronts and utterly discouraged, I am even questionning whether the fact that my muscle pain got better should not be attributed to the fact that I was under so much stress last week, I remember reading that adrenaline acts as an antianflamatory,hence doubting Sarno's theory, I have not felt such panic in years , my blood pressure, usually normal is now thirty points higher, I started dr Sarno's program a few days before major stressors in my life, so that alone is confusing the issue .Maybe I should see a therapist, the journaling brought out a lot of anger also, anger I never felt before, maybe I do not believe enough in Sarno to make this work, someone said to concentrate on the emotions instead of on the physicals reactions, yet I feel the emotions are anxiety draining, I prefer my muscle pain to panic, of course with all this anxiey flooding my system, I have trouble concentrating,and feel utterly stupid that I can't put it all together, yet I want to believe it can work for me as it has for others, but a small voice in my mind keeps telling me that not every one has fibro, not everyone feels as tired as I am ,maybe I have stomach cancer, or heart disease, or multiple myeloma like one of my sister, or breast cancer like my other sister, I realise as I am writing this that I sound like a hypocondriac, but it is hard not to when nothing in your body seems to function normally, I have been battling this for ten years, it is getting me down, I lent my books to my son, maybe I should get them back, I know the treatment does not work unless I tuly believe in it , but I don't know how to to this,maybe I should leave the forum before you ask me to and come back when and if I can finally make some sense out of everything, right now I just can't seem to muster your enthusiasm and I project negativity on everyone , so thank's to everyone who have answered my posts, I appreciate your trying to help and wish you all the very best, you seem to know something that I don't and I am happy for you |
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Nor
152 Posts |
Posted - 05/07/2006 : 07:26:42
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Miche,
If your BP is going up, maybe you should see a therapist. Don't fool around w/that. It sounds like you are really in a bit of a panic. I recognize and sympathize w/the emotion. The stress and doubts you feel could be greatly alleviated by a therapist who specializes in TMS. Maybe call Sarno's office and ask if he knows of anyone. It couldn't hurt. N |
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tennis tom
USA
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Posted - 05/07/2006 : 10:11:22
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quote from Miche:
"someone said to concentrate on the emotions instead of on the physicals reactions,"
Miche, that is the core premise of TMS work. You came to the right conclusion, you need therapy from a TMS therapist. The problem is that they are few and far between. I did phone consults with Donald Dubin, who is in L.A. CA.
Maybe someone on the board can help you find someone in your area. The home page of this site has links to some TMS practitoners. Also a yoga site Tarpit Yoga has a section on TMS referals.
It sounds like you are in a crisis situation. I was in one recently, so I can relate. I'm feeling great now and back to my "normal" self.
If you can't find a TMS therapist or Doctor in your area, you may need to see a regular doc for some medicine to calm you down and get you out of the crisis mode. It is a dark tunnel, but there is light at the end.
Sarno says that fibro does not exist and IS TMS! If you've had it for ten years than you have a lot of negative conditioning to break out of.
Get Sarno's latest book and start there. IF you can get yourself to BELIEVE what he says, you can save yourself a lot of time and money on therapy.
Regarding food stuff, I personally think it's a bunch of hooey. I think eating everything in moderation is the way to go--food diversity. I think focusing on food is another TMS equivalent.
My girlfriend is a strict vegeterian. Her main staple is rice mixed with healthy stuff. It works for her but would bore me to death. I love food. She does like desserts. When she eats chocolate, she goes through a dramatic transformation like she is drunk. She goes totally goofy.
If you just suddenly channged your diet, it's probably quite a shock to your system and will take some time to adjust to. During my recent depression, my weight went from 195 to 174 to 204, all in about six months. My psychological state was on the same roller-coaster--quite an experience.
Best of luck Miche to you,
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art
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Posted - 05/07/2006 : 16:25:09
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I was terribly sick from food intolerance. I was at the point where I never thought I'd be able to lead anything like a normal, healthy life again..
As I write this, I'm drinking a beer, eating pretzels, and waiting for the microwave to finish nuking my hotdog...
I'm not kidding either..These foods would have made me desperately ill a year ago..
Suz is right..It's a bunch of hooey...The funny thing is, even in my darkest day I was a skeptic concerning my own illness..It never, ever made sense to me that out of the blue I couldn't eat chicken, say, or white bread, or steak..
Most of us are blessed with normal, healthy bodies..There's just no reason on God's green earth why perfectly innocuous foods would make us sick...
I came to this forum because I was a runner with "over-use" injuries, almost evry one of which turned out to be nothing but a little oxygen deprivation (TMS)...Along the way I've ocme to realize that the chronic illness that has taken 15 years our of my life is a product of the same subconscious forces..
I honestly think that John Sarno is a genius who one day will be credited with having changed the face of medicine...I've nothing but gratitude and admiration for the guy, and this forum as well.. |
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miche
Canada
283 Posts |
Posted - 05/07/2006 : 19:05:00
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| Thank's all of you for your support, I realise today that because my sinuses have felt so blocked, I HAVE BEEN SHORT OF BREATH AND HYPERVENTILATING , THE WHOLE PROCESS BROUGHT BACK SENSATIONS FROM MY PANIC ATTACK DAYS AND I FELT COMPLETELY OUT OF CONTROL, THE THOUGHT OF GETTING PANIC ATTACKS AGAIN AND HAVING TO GO ON ANTIDEPRESSANT IS NOT SOMETHING I WANT TO CONTEMPLATE, i REALISE THERE IS CONDITIONNING INVOLVED HERE , MOST PEOPLE WITH BLOCKED NOSES DO NOT GET INTO A PANIC ATTACK, ALSO I BELIEVE THAT THE TIGHNESS IN MY NECK AND FACE IS PROBABLY WHAT IS CAUSING MY SINUSES TO FEEL SO BLOCKED,SINCE THERE SEEMS TO BE NO SIGN OF INFECTION, YOU ARE CONVINCING ME DESPITE MYSELF THAT ALL MY PROBLEMS ARE TMS, I AM GRATEFUL TO ALL OF YOU WHO HAVE REACHED OUT TO ME |
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Suz
559 Posts |
Posted - 05/08/2006 : 10:00:39
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Hello all,
I am so glad to read so many responses to the food issue. I am still really really struggling. I am really suffering from fatigue from those supposed "allergic foods" like bread, coffee and dairy. I am on the fence as to whether this is really TMS - probably because of this wretched doctor who wrote all these books about the blood type diet and was my personal doctor for 10 years. He convinced me that my O negative "non secretor" status would mean that I have a really hard time on carbs and sugars. So - I changed my diet. Now, whenever I eat that way, I feel really tired and drained. He is a biochemist and has studied reactions of foods on blood cells for years - all with scientific proof. So what to do? I cannot shake his theories. This is really standing in the way of me eating whatever I want - and you know what, that is my ultimate goal. I don't want to obssess over food choices because - FOOD IS GREAT! It is there to be enjoyed not avoided. I have no idea how to break this. Unlike the pain, I am not convinced enough that my reactions to food are from the unconscious. That is probably why the TMS perpetuates.
So - reading stories from Anne and Art REALLY help. These experiences show me that they have overcome these wierd food reactions.
I have not yet beaten it. |
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HilaryN
United Kingdom
879 Posts |
Posted - 05/08/2006 : 14:07:23
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(art) It never, ever made sense to me that out of the blue I couldn't eat chicken, say, or white bread, or steak..
Yes, same here – it didn’t make sense to me that I’d been fine eating a certain food then suddenly couldn’t eat it. I always used to dismiss dairy or wheat allergies as fashion fads, and was extremely annoyed when the dairy one hit me. I’m pretty sure the wheat one would have been next if I hadn’t got rid of my food reactions by taking the TMS approach.
I love food, too, and it’s great to be able to eat the things I like. Well almost – not the things that make me put on loads of weight. (Didn’t someone once write a book called “Think yourself slim” or something?)
Suz, can you think back to a time when you could eat these foods without any adverse reaction?
If the reaction you’re getting is getting you down, try eating very small quantities, as I said before. Find out how much you can eat without provoking a reaction, even if it’s just a crumb. Stick to that amount for a while, then increase slowly.
Miche, same for you. Take it slowly. It looks like you went too fast for your system / conditioning to cope.
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Mary Ann
Canada
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Posted - 05/08/2006 : 15:11:35
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Agree with Hilary: take it slowly.
I have finally cured my food intolerances, even to milk. But it didn't happen overnight. Back in Jan/Feb I decided it was all TMS and started to eat everything I had been avoiding (dairy, wheat, sugar, citrus, coffee among many others). I was in agony! I despaired that it would ever work. A friend (who has severe reactions) even told me about some gene testing for "potential gluten reactivity" and I doubted the TMS part.
But over time I have persevered, just not eating everything at once. I think it finally broke when my TMS switched over to allergy/asthma symptoms instead of digestive symptoms! (Which I've since overcome too).
So be patient. And remember that you are most likely experiencing reactions because you expect them. I found that I had to ignore the reaction and just keep focussed on other things. Eventually they just don't come anymore. Give yourself a few months. I never would have thought I'd be eating dairy regularly again, but I am and have NO symptoms whatsoever.
Good luck!
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Suz
559 Posts |
Posted - 05/08/2006 : 15:34:21
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Mary Ann - this is FANSTASTIC! You give me hope. How on earth did you do it? I have been avoiding foods for 14 years now so this is a very hard pattern to break. You said you started slowly - I am going to do the same thing. My big "no-nos" are coffee and wheat and all grains. I get blown up like a balloon, my skin breaks out and especially I become very very tired. I am convinced that one cup of coffee will give me a crash. The other thing I have noticed is I have very dark circles under my eyes when I drink coffee or eat dairy. How can this be if it is TMS? you see - this will take a lot to convince me!
I am going to try and think back to when I ate everything - I think when I was 20 (I am 36 now) - before I became vegetarian and before I had depression and back pain. I used to eat everything. |
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