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goldie
USA
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 Posted - 01/10/2006 : 21:02:35
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Just a question on the physical indicators / sore spots that Sarno notes in his book as part of his diagnosis. Being in Australia i have absolutely no chance (excluding a $1500 air fare to NY) of seeing a TMS specialist for the 'diagnosis' but was wondering if:
a). as i don't have back pain but instead have sore forearms are these tell tale sore spots on the outer buttocks and back etc. still relevant?
b). should someone be able to feel these upon 'self examination'? if so.. can someone be a little more specific as to the feelings they get and exactly where to prod and poke?
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gevorgyan
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Stryder
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Posted - 01/11/2006 : 10:48:14
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Yes, and then after the airfare there's another $1000 to see the good doctor. At the moment I believe he will not take anyone on as a patient unless they live in the New York, USA area.
Here's another option and way you could approach this.
Get your physical symptoms examined by a regular doc down under to rule out any true physical condition or serious illness.
Do you see yourself when you read HBP / MBP?
If you come up clean or the doc is not sure what is causing your symptoms, and you fit the personality description in Dr. Sarno's books, then you likely have TMS.
That should be all the confirmation you need to accept the TMS diagnosis and start doing the TMS work. If you are in no danger then you have nothing to loose but your pain.
Take care, -Stryder |
Edited by - Stryder on 01/11/2006 10:49:02 |
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CherylH
USA
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Posted - 01/12/2006 : 19:42:32
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| Goldie - I had an orthopedic doctor who spent 2 minutes with me and and said golfer's or tennis elbow as a reason for my hand, wrist, forearm and bicep/tricep pain. After months of physical therapy, then reading and rereading Sarno and believing it was all TMS, I found I was moving to an area where there was a Sarno dr. I went to him and he had xrays and a thyroid test done to rule out anything physical. Once those came back negative we sat and reviewed Sarno's theory from a psychological perspective and I was on my way. I know I felt a lot better after having a dr (who was cured himself by Sarno) confirm for me what I thought. But the tests he did were pretty minor. I think he may have touched a couple places on my tricep where I have real tender spots but that was it. So just try to rule out any obvious physical conditions that could lead to the pain, then think psychological and not physical. Easier said than done some days but I'm not holding myself back physically at all anymore even on 'bad' stress days... Cheryl |
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goldie
USA
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Posted - 01/13/2006 : 01:46:24
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Dr Sopher's response by email:
"Those sore spots, or trigger points, are not always present. Over the years, Dr. Sarno's thinking on this has evolved--many do not have trigger popints, either on self-examination or on the physician's exam. So, it is not essential for the TMS diagnosis." |
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Scottydog
United Kingdom
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Posted - 01/13/2006 : 02:56:10
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When I press the muscle at the top of my back to the side of my neck (right hand left muscle and vice versa) it hurst a little - then press the muscle at the front of my thigh - painless (a muscle not supposed to be a Sarno sore spot for comparison). Likewise if I press the muscle at the side of my buttock behind the head of femur it hurts a little. These two places were where Sarno tested people - can't remember the other - so I feel he was right in what he said.
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h2oskier25
USA
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Posted - 01/13/2006 : 08:16:30
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Goldie,
I have to say that the fact that you need so much Medical proof of TMS is in itself a TMS trait. Unless you have cancer of the forearms, I think you need to pursue other ways of convincing yourself that you have TMS. I would Call Dr. Sarno's office and order the video. That way you can watch a Doctor talk about TMS. It was really helpful for me.
The Video was only $99 when I ordered it in November. Also, the staff that answers the phone can be very helpful. 1-800-263-6939
Another thing that might help is ordering Dr. Schechters Products.
(www.mindbodymedicine.com)
I'm not saying you need either one to recover, but these things helped me, and I've never seen a Sarno Dr., and I live in the states.
Remember, your unconscious is having a party at your expense convincing you that something is REALLY physically wrong, and keeping you obsessed with ruling it out. How many people do you know who have had serious life threatening conditions which started out as forearm pain. I can't think of any.
Concentrate on journaling and releasing the trapped emotions within the unconscious. When I was first starting to recover, just before I would go to bed at night I would imagine my mind having a prison within it that was housing all of my repressed emotions. I would send the suggestion to open the prison gates and let them out. It made for some weird dreams, some of them emotional, but it was far better than living in pain and debilitation. And, it was a temporary thing.
Best wishes
Beth |
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ucreger
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Posted - 01/13/2006 : 09:56:59
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Beth or anyone else who has viewed the videos,
You said you found the video helpful. Did you view it after reading Sarno's books? I am asking because I have been reading Sarno books for abot 5 weeks and have noticed considerable improvement but have thought that the video may help get me that extra bit I need.
I was a bit apprehensive that the video would just verbalize what is in his writings. Your experience with the videos would be helpful.
Thank you. |
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h2oskier25
USA
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Posted - 01/13/2006 : 11:03:56
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Re: Sarno videos.
It's so easy to just plop down on the couch and absorb those videos.
I ordered the videos after I had read and re-read his books. The videos help because seeing the man, the well educated doctor, the experienced professional - all speak to a more primitive part of the mind I think.
It also helped me to chat with the staff at Dr. Sarno's ordering Department. The phone call was what pushed me over the edge and began my rapid recovery.
Best Wishes
Beth |
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Physical indicators in Sarno's book
