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 Posted - 01/17/2006 : 15:50:03
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Posted - 01/17/2006 : 18:16:09
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samthefish
Thanks for sharing with the board.
Your pain symptoms and the patterns you described sure sound a lot like TMS to me. Do you fit any of the psychological profile of a TMS person outlined in Dr. Sarno's books? What about your personality traits? |
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jilly_girl
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Posted - 01/17/2006 : 19:51:39
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Peter I believe i do have TMS based on the fact that my prolapse problems dont cause the kind of pain I have. Its just that my pain is in the same area. I do not believe my chronic pelvic pain is related to the structural problems, even though they do exist in that area. And my pain moves around a lot. It stays in the pelvic area (and leg) but it does move. I know this is impossible for you to understand, being a man you know nothing about prolapse problems most likely.
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gevorgyan
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Posted - 01/18/2006 : 02:34:33
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thank you for all answers,
I am petrified by this psychologically approach. 10 years ago I finish the Silva’s course, so I have been familiarized with, let me say, self-therapy. But what is happen now during TMS treatments is for me very bad experience. During visualization and during the try to speak with this (the child, gremlin, whatever) I feel totally lost. I feel like everything in my head scoff at me, like I was an intruder in the world of my mind.
Yes, it seems me that I need therapist, I’ve even made an appointment in the next week, but she unfortunately doesn’t know Sarno’s theory. So the first meting will be to acknowledge her with it. Pity that for my money 
Ps. I think that Jill has TMS, the most important thing is that she is sure in it. As I understood dr Sarno well every pain which remain for long lime after a injury is TMS.
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Carolyn
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Posted - 01/18/2006 : 09:04:48
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Jill,
I think you most likely do have TMS. My chronic pelvic pain also started with a real 'female problem' that required surgery- seven of them actually. After the surgeries, the pain was gone for a while and then came back worse than before and started spreading. I think that either the TMS choses your pelvis for the pain because you will believe it since you have a 'real' problem there or because you are angry that you had a problem there in the first place. It is not easy for a woman to have a hysterectomy or to have embarassing problems 'down there'. My whole ordeal stretched over three awful years and was a very stressful time.
I also think you come accross a little hostile on this board which is probably not helping you. Why don't you try accepting some of what people say here for a while and see if it might work for you rather than just dismissing them as wrong? |
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jilly_girl
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Posted - 01/18/2006 : 10:08:01
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Hi Carolyn. Sorry for your health problems, i can truly relate. i think you are right, TMS did choose my pelvic area. I carry all my tension there. I had miserable complications after my surgery. The pain in my bladder disappeared after surgery, then reappeared in my leg/butt. It doesnt embarass me buts its quite simply awful. It hurts like hell and I cant work. I've seen a bit of improvement.
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jilly_girl
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Posted - 01/18/2006 : 10:11:31
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hi carolyn, i'm sorry you've had such health problems. Not trying to be hostile just saying what i think. I think I carry tension in my pelvic area. It hurts like hell. I cant work. Its very hard. I have seen some improvement.
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jilly_girl
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Posted - 01/18/2006 : 10:13:22
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Sorry! double posted accidentally.
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kdw
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Posted - 01/18/2006 : 10:33:30
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Jill - Your recent posts have been very intereting for me. In 1998, I had a partial hysterectomy for a prolapsed uterus. I had barely recovered from the surgery when I developed horrible sciatica in my left leg. I didn't know about Sarno then and had steriod injections, etc. Many months later I had forced myself to resume some of my normal activities and was better but still having pain when I saw Dr. Sarno on 20/20 talking about TMS. After reading MBP and HBP, I recovered completely within a very short period of time and have been running, biking, practicing martial arts, doing yoga and lifting weights WELL OVER 20 pounds ever since.
I have become suspicious of the prolapsed uterus diagnosis, but in any event I KNOW the diagnosis does not mean one is doomed to a life of inactivity. I don't believe the "weak pelvic muscles" and the havoc they can wreak that doctors like to talk about, either.
Of course, I'm not a doctor and I can't speak for your situation, but in my case, I believe it was ALL TMS. If a sufficient time has pased since your surgery, I think you should consider resuming some type of physical activity, as Peter suggested, perhaps something as simple and non-threatening as swimming or walking. Just my two cents. |
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jilly_girl
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Posted - 01/18/2006 : 14:12:12
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hi kdw. thanks for your input on this topic, its a difficult one, as the doctors tell you little to nothing except "dont lift". when you say you believe it was all TMS, do you mean the discomfort was TMS but not prolapse at all? i know that my prolapse did cause me discomfort because my uterus was falling OUT. and i do mean out lol. it was like sitting on a baseball. i cant help but believe that the weak pelvic muscle problem exist since when i have to have a bowel movement its pushed up into the vaginal area (my sincere aplogies to the gentlemen reading this post) its difficult to know just how "careful" i have to be. or if i DO have to be. anyway, thank you so much for your input.
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Stryder
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Posted - 01/18/2006 : 16:16:59
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Originally posted by jilly_girl
Sorry! double posted accidentally.
Jill
You can delete them if you are the author. Look for the 4th icon with the little trash can on it :-) -Stryder |
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kdw
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Posted - 01/18/2006 : 16:50:06
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Jill - I learned about the prolapse during a regular exam. In the weeks after that, I began to have discomfort in my lower back and consented to the surgery. Since learning about TMS, I've wondered if I really needed the surgery or if my discomfort was simply a reaction to the suggestion that I "should" have been in pain. I will probably never know for sure.
I have never had the symptoms you describe, but I find it hard to believe that women today have suddenly developed pelvic muscles so weak that we have to have all these surgeries. It has certainly become more common in recent years than ever before. I'm not saying it's not so, just that it seems suspicious to me.
Even if your problem has some physical qualities to it, it seems ridiculous for a doctor to suggest that you should deal with it by simply avoiding lifting. There has to be exercises you can do (kagels, for instance, along with walking or something like that) to strengthen those muscles, as well as the rest of your body.
I think you should find a gynocologist or TMS doctor who will offer solutions, not just tell you to stop doing things you want to do. Once you understand exactly what it going on with that area, you'll be better able to determine what is truly physical and what is TMS and what you can do about all of it. In my opinion, you will not be able to truly accept that you have TMS if you are going through life afraid that your bladder will fall out if you do anything! No one could. I think that is something you will have to determine before you can move forward in treating your symptoms as TMS.
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jilly_girl
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Posted - 01/19/2006 : 07:26:39
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hey kdw. i know, but the fact is my bladder is already a bit lower than it should be and other parts are a bit pushed out of place, i know, i can feel it. gynos tell you nothing, and as for a TMS doc, are there any out there lol. I am going to a clinic that specializes in bioidentical hormones and hope they will discuss it with me. when i asked the gyno who did my surgery why my leg hurt, she said "never heard of that...dont lift"...end of discussion. thanks!
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Interesting article uk reverse therapy
