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RichT
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 Posted - 06/07/2005 : 08:16:07
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Hi chaps.
I have been diagnosed with thoracic outlet syndrome and have a query that relates to an ultra-sound scan that led to the diagnosis. The scan showed blood vessels being compressed and flow reducing when i raised my arms.
Sarno says in MBP that there is no evidence for this compression taking place. Is this scan result contradictory?
I believe in TMS wholeheartedly but would find it really helpful to have some rational argument against the scan results.
Anybody with any thoughts on tension at the base of the skull/ top of the neck would also be appreciated as this is also worrying me.
Thanks
Rich T |
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miehnesor
USA
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Posted - 06/07/2005 : 10:24:10
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| Rich- You have TMS buddy. My symptoms are very similar to yours. Forget about all the technical jargon and start doing the pychological work. Go at it- good luck |
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marytabby
USA
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Posted - 06/07/2005 : 11:47:14
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Originally posted by RichT
Anybody with any thoughts on tension at the base of the skull/ top of the neck would also be appreciated as this is also worrying me.
I also had/have tension and what I call "crunchiness" feeling at the base of my skull, top of neck. I was told I have arthritis there at C3-C4 and that causes the pain and tenderness. Ya, ok. So now it's pretty much gone (only to be replaced by some other manifestations of TMS in my wrists). So how is it that the arthritis is now "gone"?
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expatient
Finland
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Posted - 06/01/2006 : 05:38:10
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I got rid of my TOS when they corrected my SIJD = SI-joint dysfunction/dislocation.
M53.8 Dysfunctio/dislocation articuli sacroiliacale l. sin.
M41.9 Rotatio scoliosis
G54.0 Syndroma TOS l.a.
M35.7 Syndroma hypermobilitas levis
R29.8 Symptomata musculi quadriceps l.a.
It took 25 years and (many useles visits to doctros, X-rays, MRIs, tests,...) to find someone who knows about SIJD. I feel lucky to found one, finally!
Same time my high blood pressure was gone, as well as headaches, migrens, leg weakness and a lot of others...
medical world is so lost... |
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drziggles
USA
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Posted - 06/01/2006 : 14:06:45
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| Um, expatient, do you know what the concept of this forum is about? |
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expatient
Finland
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Posted - 06/01/2006 : 23:57:41
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Originally posted by drziggles
Um, expatient, do you know what the concept of this forum is about?
This thread is about TOS..?
medical world is so lost... |
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drziggles
USA
292 Posts |
Posted - 06/02/2006 : 06:25:28
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| My point was that this forum is a discussion of Dr. John Sarno's TMS theory. SI joint dysfunction does not really fit in this concept, nor does it rationally make much sense. Why would something wrong with your lower spine have anything to do with migraines or arm numbness, among other things? |
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expatient
Finland
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Posted - 06/02/2006 : 08:47:17
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Originally posted by drziggles
My point was that this forum is a discussion of Dr. John Sarno's TMS theory. SI joint dysfunction does not really fit in this concept, nor does it rationally make much sense. Why would something wrong with your lower spine have anything to do with migraines or arm numbness, among other things?
Because twisted pelvis causes postural inbalance. And that causes muscular inbalance. Muscle tightness rises up while your posture gets worse. First lower back muscules get tight. Then middle back. Then shoulders and neck. Eventually tightness is everywhere causing jaw pain, headackes, shoulder pain and even finger numbness when nerves are pinched in neck and shoulder area. Same reason blood circulation gets worse, because tight muscles prevent circulation... Even that painful clavicle bone swelling is because of tight muscle in neck.
Haven't you experienced that a good shoulder/neck area massage helps..?
medical world is so lost... |
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salamander
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Posted - 06/02/2006 : 10:43:18
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Expatient,
You are not on the same page as the rest of us. This forum discusses the theories that John Sarno deleloped concerning TMS. You can read a brief description of what the syndrome is by going to the "main page" that preceeds this forum.
Muscle imbalance, etc...does not jibe with Sarno's theories. The pain people feel is brought on via the emotions which originate in the brain. The pain is not brought on by structural imbalances, or other "defects"....as explained by Dr. Sarno.
Regards,
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salamander
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Posted - 06/02/2006 : 11:02:00
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RichT,
By the way, I was diagnosed with TOS when I was 18. I exhibited all the symptoms, and eventually it went away. This was before I knew about Sarno. I've had a host of TMS "problems" throught my life and looking back on my TOS, I'm convinced it was TMS as well.
I don't know how to really encourage you to ignore the scans. I feel that the various X-rays, MRI's, and CAT scans only serve to "lock" your mind on a "physical" problem, which most likely has no bearing on your pain. I will say that I feel that TMS can temperarely "alter" the basic nerve/tendon/muscle consistancy, which might show up in an MRI??
Like I've said, I've had a host of TMS problems which include: Neck, Shoulder, Heels, Back, Knee, Arm/Hand, and elbow. I've had MRI's of my neck (shows moderate to severe spinal stenosis, bone spurs, etc...) and back (herniations, bone spurs, facet disease, spondo, etc...). I'm only 40. I'm happy to say, that I have no pain or stiffness in my back or neck whatsoever.
Like Sarno says, it is very difficult to get past the various Scans. They are well meaning, but often inconsequencial. I feel that if you really look at your life and emotions, you will probably see that you "fit" the Sarno profile. If this is the case, then I think that you can assume TMS is your culprit.
Best Regards,
Doug |
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Jena
USA
195 Posts |
Posted - 08/01/2011 : 22:14:04
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| I came across this post and was very interested. My doctor thinks that I have Thoracic Outlet Syndrome because i have an extra cervical rib that he thinks is compressing my arteries and veins in my right arm. What led me to the doctor is that certain positions cause all the veins in my right hand to bulge, pulse, and create pain. You can actually physically see the pulsing bulging veins in my right arm. I have researched and it says that this extra cervial rib can compress serious arteries and veins that will eventually lead to a blood clot. I am not familiar if TMS has anything to do with this at all...? Im leaning towards no since there is definitely a structural abnormality with my extra rib and compressing all these nerves and more dangerously veins and arteries. Any thoughts? Thanks! |
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oneorbit
USA
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Posted - 08/02/2011 : 09:00:11
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The thoracic outlet signs you are showing can be created under Sarno's theory. Your brain can deprive your muscles and tissues of oxygen creating spasm in areas that restrict circulation of bloodflow. This in turn creates TMS symptoms that mimic that of prevalent acceptable social pains like low-back pain, carpal tunnel, TOS.
I started getting 'carpal tunnel' in my wrist and forearm then it went to my shoulder. Dr.s blamed this on TOS and cervical herniation at C6 but the herniation at my C6 was there for years from a previous MRI. Dr.s just latch onto anything they can blame so they can treat you and because they don't know what's wrong.
My pain would travel from my right arm to my left and it only happens at the computer. After 10 months of massage, chiros, neuromuscular triggerpoint therapy, cold laser therapy, accupuncture as well as seeing specialist Dr.s I was always relived temporarily. Until I made the decision to commit to the fact that I have TMS it did not subside.
What painful syptoms are you getting and when this pain came on did a past annoying pain leave and the TOS took it's place? I ask because it seems like that happened to me.
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Javizy
United Kingdom
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Posted - 08/02/2011 : 09:03:42
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Originally posted by Jena
I came across this post and was very interested. My doctor thinks that I have Thoracic Outlet Syndrome because i have an extra cervical rib that he thinks is compressing my arteries and veins in my right arm. What led me to the doctor is that certain positions cause all the veins in my right hand to bulge, pulse, and create pain. You can actually physically see the pulsing bulging veins in my right arm. I have researched and it says that this extra cervial rib can compress serious arteries and veins that will eventually lead to a blood clot. I am not familiar if TMS has anything to do with this at all...? Im leaning towards no since there is definitely a structural abnormality with my extra rib and compressing all these nerves and more dangerously veins and arteries. Any thoughts? Thanks!
No doubt the structural problem does have an influence on the pain, but what do you intend to do? What are the side effects of removal? It's a common area for chronic muscle tension, and periods of stress/anxiety can increase the effect of this, turning a slight ache into pain. Stress mixed with a bad diet can fan the flames of inflammation, as well, causing it to stay around long after the pain has outlived its purpose. Lifting your arm obviously contracts muscles around that area, compressing it even more.
You might have a lower threshold than most people if the rib is taking up extra space, but you've been okay until now, right? It might be worth looking into yoga or muscle balancing exercises that focus on the thorax to try to free it up a bit. Actually, you might want to look at the alignment of your entire spine, since poor lower support increases physical stress further up. If you do that while trying extra hard to eliminate stress/anxiety, you should be able to make a bit of room up there. If it's extremely bad, a rib removal might only have a temporary benefit anyway, so it's best to do all you can first. |
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