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Joel D.
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 Posted - 05/07/2005 : 08:15:20
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| O.K. here goes. I have had the MRI's (showed herniated disk L5-L1) and been diagnosed by a TMS doctor who has said I do have TMS. The sciatic pain has been going on now for about 6 or 7 month's. I saw the TMS doctor in March. I am doing better. The pain actually FEELS like muscle pain except for the fact that it goes from my butt all the way down to my calf which tells me a nerve must be involved. This really makes me feel like it is TMS. I do believe in the diagnosis, but there is a very small feeling of doubt every once and awhile. I hope this is normal. What I need to know is.... There are still some things I do that causes the INTENSE burning in my butt cheek and in the back of my thigh. When I sit down, this burning occurs for about 3 or 4 minutes and then I am pretty comfortable. Then, when I stand back up I have to just stand still for a minute to let the burning subside somewhat. The TMS doctor I saw said he had tremendous pain when swinging a golf club. He got a bucket of balls and just kept hitting the golf balls and the pain went away. I am wondering if I should do the same,ie; sit down stand up, sit down stand up, sit down stand up. I am in the construction business and so I have to do a lot of climbing around on scaffolds and up and down ladders. After I have done this climbing around for awhile the pain almost goes away completely which is great. However, after I come home and cool down the pain returns. WHY? Is this normal for TMS? This almost makes me feel like maybe I have severely injured a muscle or something. It feels like the muscles in my butt and back of my thigh would just tear apart if I tried to bend at the waist and reach for my toes. Should I bite the bullet and go ahead and do this? I should say that I really have no backpain, it's just in my left butt cheek and the back of my thigh. I hope you guy's can help me out with these questions. Sorry this got so long. Thank's so much. I hope all of you have a great day. |
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Baseball65
USA
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Posted - 05/07/2005 : 09:02:17
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After I have done this climbing around for awhile the pain almost goes away completely which is great
Because TMS is caused by a localized oxygen debt,and any movement or activity will tend to get the blood moving and reduce the symptoms...what you're experiencing is common.
I know you saw a TMS Dr,but have you read the book(s)?
Most of the explanantions for these type of Questions are in HBP(Healing back pain)...By Sarno
The reason your Dr wants you to return to normal activity is to break the conditioning that has occured like this...
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When I sit down, this burning occurs for about 3 or 4 minutes and then I am pretty comfortable.
and also for general good health.If it was a torn muscle.or whatever else you speculate it could be,activity would make it worse,not better!!
You should absolutely return to all your pre-pain activities,and focus your attention on psychological issues or real life problems(finance,marriage,work problems) this will retrain the brain that you don't believe in the TMS and know what is going on.
peace
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marytabby
USA
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Posted - 05/07/2005 : 09:04:13
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| With my left butt cheek in pain all the time when I tried to walk or run, I did a gradual return to my running through half walking/half running. I pushed through the pain but did not try to do too much too soon. The goal was to try to get running again. I kept reading and reading every day and still am reading after six weeks. I think you have to really get your mind around the diagnosis and then it will fall into place. |
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Dave
USA
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Posted - 05/07/2005 : 14:22:34
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Your message shows that your thought process is still well entrenched in the physical realm. You spend so many words talking about the specifics of your physical symptoms. You need to try to forget about the symptoms and think psychological.
Think about it: you are in the construction business and are able to climb around on scaffolds and ladders. But when you sit down and relax, you get pain. Does this make any sense?
Perhaps you should spend more time thinking about your situation at home. The pain is a signal that you are repressing emotions. You need to think about what those emotions might be and stop obsessing about the physical symptoms. |
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Stryder
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Posted - 05/08/2005 : 19:38:36
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Hi Joel,
One reason you start to get pain when you "relax" is that your brain now has a chance to start thinking and analyzing and obsessing about things. This can happen without you realizing it. This starts the cycle all over again. I'm the same way, when I'm really busy I have no extra time to waste thinking about stuff, I just get to the task at hand, and the pain is gone.
Take care, -Stryder |
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marytabby
USA
545 Posts |
Posted - 05/09/2005 : 02:44:02
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Stryder,
That's interesting stuff. I have the same problem, that when I feel pretty calm the ****e hits the fan with my neck and back. Now it makes more sense.
Mary |
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ssjs
USA
147 Posts |
Posted - 05/09/2005 : 08:13:17
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When my tms was at its worst, my "sciatica" was soooo bad that my foot had numb spots and couldn't tap (like to tap out a tune) It was paraylized! It also flopped when I walked. The pain was major intense. Sounds like the pain you have.
The neuroligist that Sarno sent me to (because it was a new symptom,and needed to be checked in case of a tumor)was somewhat into sarno's ideas, but after my cat scan he told me that he didn't think that Sarnos ideas applied to this and that i had a "real" problem, and that I needed to undergo some shots into my spine that were popular at the time. He told me to make up my mind fast before there was more trouble. My discs were all messed up and my sciatic nerve was dangerously impinged. It would only get worse.
I called Dr Sarno to see what he thought. He said "TMS".
I called up the Neuroligist and told him that I would get NO treatment..he said I should at LEAST get physical therapy. I said no and told him I was going to start running, to which I heard an exasperated sigh.
The pain went away quickly, but the paralisis took a few week. I ran with my floppy foot...no big deal...and true to Sarno,
I was soon fine. That was almost 20 years ago.
This is the reason I work hard to overcome any doubts that crop up. For sure i could have gotten scared and given in to crazy treatments that were totally unnessessary. And I probably would have gotten better, and told everyone to try the shots.
but i didn't. And I got better!
Sarno REALLY rules.
Don't let the bastards scare you!
Sandy
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art
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Posted - 05/09/2005 : 19:01:59
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Sandy, I loved what you said...don't let the bastards scare you...excuse me for interjecting my own situation here..I've had no problem accepting Dr Sarno's ideas when it came to my back...now I'm trying very hard to apply them to the rest of my many "injuries"
One thing that was said here...that the fact that Joel's pain went away during activity being a good indication its TMS...That makes me nervous because my hamstrings do get worse with activity...I can run, but after a couple of miles it gets pinchy...Does this in and of itself then give an indication that I've got a genuine physical injury...
I don't know much, but I do know that fear is the enemy...at least for me... |
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ssjs
USA
147 Posts |
Posted - 05/09/2005 : 19:10:35
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You said that it hurts after a couple of miles? I think that is a pretty good indication that everything is fine!!! A couple of miles is a pretty good run. I think that your mind is trying to hold you back from doing tooooo well!
Sometimes as I do my best, my past tries to pull me back.
Don't let it!
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Colleen
USA
138 Posts |
Posted - 05/09/2005 : 19:31:32
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Hi Everyone,
I would love your input here. I saw a TMS Doctor about 6 weeks ago and he confirmed that what I had been told for about a year was a bilateral neuropathy is really TMS. I have done all the reading and writing, but the burning pain in my feet is actually worse. If I walk or stand for any length of time I am in pain big time....but when I get into bed at night, the covers touch my feet and the burning pain is the worse.....so moving or lying still, I am in pain. So, like Joel, should I push it and try to stand or walk a distance?? Does this really sound like TMS or do I want it to be TMS??
Colleen |
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molomaf
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Posted - 05/10/2005 : 09:24:15
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Colleen,
Call the TMS doc again(Dr. Martinez?) and see if he has any other ideas of what it could be. If he is sure it is still TMS, then I would go with it. |
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Stryder
686 Posts |
Posted - 05/10/2005 : 20:36:30
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Originally posted by ssjs
...and that I needed to undergo some shots into my spine that were popular at the time. He told me to make up my mind fast before there was more trouble. My discs were all messed up and my sciatic nerve was dangerously impinged. It would only get worse...
...Sarno REALLY rules.
You know, if you read the datasheet that comes with the container of medication (Depomedrol) that they inject next to your spinal cord, the WARNINGS listed state to NOT inject this steroid anywhere near the spine. This med can cause paralysis and/or arachnoiditis (swelling of the spinal cord) if it is accidently injected into the spinal cord.
Duh. Go figure.
Just say no to spinal steroid injections.
Take care, -Stryder
P.S. I agree, Sarno Rules |
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Colleen
USA
138 Posts |
Posted - 05/11/2005 : 11:21:07
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Molomaf,
I have another appointment with Dr. Martines very soon. I also have my doubts again.
Colleen |
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wolf29
USA
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Posted - 05/11/2005 : 11:31:26
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| Just saw this thread which is similar to my current issues (http://www.tmshelp.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=974) I feel I hurt myself while weight training and now it hurts in the upper buttocks and hip area after sitting for a while. Movement actually makes it feel better so that should tell me nothing is torn. It's just been hard not thinking physically :( |
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