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dgreen97
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 Posted - 06/16/2013 : 09:29:55
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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-2342410/RSI-mind-say-experts-controversial-new-study--really-hurts-anyway.html
Finally starting to see this become more mainstream as it is being posted on websites not dedicated to TMS. If you read the article it reads just like TMS and the contagious nature of it where people in certain countries develop it more than others because of beliefs. Then take a look at the comments at the bottom. WHY are people so against this type of thinking? They claim "BS!" "trust me this pain is not all in my head".
I just dont comprehend why some people are so against this approach to pain. I bet if you ask them "are your physical therapy sessions working for you" they would say no.. im still in pain after 13 years of this. But when you tell them "hey this could be caused by your mind "they get deeply offended and start bashing you for it. Is it ego?
I for one love when I see articles like this because it shows this type of information is becoming more popular in mainstream culture which is fantastic. I personally believe if this info got out and everybody accepted it we wouldn't be having these problems right now. Doctors would actually be asking their patients "whats going on in your life right now? what stressors are you experiencing?" instead of "oh your arm hurts, lets operate on it" |
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dgreen97
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Posted - 06/16/2013 : 09:34:17
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| it even says at the bottom of the article that is isn't malingering but people skip over that part. they see "its generated by your mind" and they get instantly offended and call BS. |
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Matt2013
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Posted - 06/16/2013 : 09:44:26
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| they mention quite prominently that people pick up the idea of rsi from seeing other people in pain or being aware of rsi. I'd never heard of rsi or had ever seen it before. However my RSI is 100 percent psychosomatic and TMS. I think people get defensive with psychosomatic disorders when there not explained correctly. That's what's great about Sarno and this forum :) |
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Ace1
USA
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Posted - 06/16/2013 : 15:56:13
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Dear dg97,
Read the topic of this thread. This is the kind of reaction that will perpetuate your tms. You have to realize that this kind of thinking will only hurt you. Did you know dr bates cured many people of their eye troubles by fixing the strain of their mind 100 years ago. He wrote a book and had a monthly magazine for publication that ran for like 20 yrs. Let me tell you of one story that may really impress apon you. There was a guy who had worn glasses all his life. Dr bates cured him in a very short period of time ( he could read 20/20 on the chart continuously). He went back later to his original ophthalmologist and he told him there way no way he could be cured (despite being able to see fine). He advised him to put his glasses back on, then from then on the patient bad mouthed dr bates for supposedly duping him. This guy was a preacher. As you can see even someone who saw the beneficial effect of mental treatment can still have this sort of mentality. In addition everything dr bates noted was virtually lost today except to a very small population. The moral of the story is that, one should have NO expectation in how others receive the info on this sort of treatment. You can try but expect everyone you tell this to to either think your crazy for suggesting it, or to forget about it an hour later. Even many who may believe it, many will not be dedicated enough to make the change. Focus on your own recovery and only take importance in that. Help others just as Jesus did. He did not force himself, he just spoke the truth and left the rest up to the individual. |
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dgreen97
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Posted - 06/16/2013 : 17:41:48
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i see what you mean ace. are you saying that im getting irritated for no reason and perpetuating TMS that way? i do tend to get irritated by things very easily so you're right on that. i suppose its true, i can't force anybody to believe this stuff, i guess it bothered me because this is the very reason this type of thinking doesn't become more popular because everybody just dismisses it right away. but like you said im just going to focus on my own recovery instead of getting irritated that others aren't convinced.
dr zafirides actually posted that on twitter which is where i found that article and it was good to see. |
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dgreen97
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Posted - 06/16/2013 : 17:54:13
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| also why would the guy who was cured by dr bates bad mouth him after the fact? i dont understand that. i think i see your point about the strain of the mind dr bates was curing. the very fact my reaction to that article's comments was immediate irritation says i still have work to do. |
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Ace1
USA
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Posted - 06/16/2013 : 20:02:31
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| Good job you understand my point exactly, and you are seeing a part in you now that is perpetuating your illness. This is the type of awareness I would like you to have. How or why someone who saw the effects of the treatment could be convinced it wasn't real and later bad mouth the person who helped him is somewhat hard to understand but it is nonetheless the truth. Therefore I am never surprised by someone's reaction to this stuff, especially people who have not seen its effects before. |
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plum
United Kingdom
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Posted - 06/17/2013 : 03:36:17
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dgreen97, I didn't read the piece after noticing it was published in The Daily Mail or The Daily Hate as the left wing press call it. It's tabloid trash for the middle classes and it specialises in fear-mongering. I can well imagine the ranting tone of the comments section. Mail readers love to get offended.
Ace1, thanks for yet more inspiration. |
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dgreen97
122 Posts |
Posted - 06/17/2013 : 19:55:31
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plum didn't know that about the daily mail good to know for the future in case i see more articles on there.
ace, is awareness of this type of habit enough to break it or are there other things i should do as well? just today i noticed myself again repeating the same type of behaviors like getting pissed off over little things that dont make others mad. my wife comments on it quite a bit too how i get irritated very quickly by things, its like im sitting at the boiling point most of the day and one stupid event can push me over the edge. to tell the truth i feel on edge most of the day. |
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Ace1
USA
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Posted - 06/18/2013 : 06:46:11
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| Awareness is the first and most important step. After that affirmations and trying to let go without forcing it helps. Try also not to add more fuel to the fire, just practice letting go. It's all about practice. You have made a big stride in your healing by your awareness. Keep up the good job. |
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balto
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Posted - 06/18/2013 : 07:29:09
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I think it would also help to add compassionate living practice to our every day life. Or "I don't give a shi_", "oh well! that's life", "that's OK, life goes on"....
If we can care less about other people's opinion, our life would be much more peaceful and content, which would lead to less tms/anxiety.
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No, I don't know everything. I'm just here to share my experience. |
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pspa123
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Posted - 06/18/2013 : 07:55:52
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| T.S. Eliot condensed all the wisdom of the world into one line in Ash Wednesday: "Teach us to care and not to care." |
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1koolkat
USA
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Posted - 06/18/2013 : 11:45:36
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Yesterday, I was down at the senior center, proseletyzing to the two obese ladies with COPD, hurting knees, and fibromyalgia. I told them all about how my own Fibro pain is gone! And here's how I healed it! Did they jump to write the name of the book or author? No. They very nearly didn't even ask me how it happened (mostly I don't say unless they ask). They were happy for me. I could sense that they could tell I thought that I'm better than they are. Yes, that's part of the truth.
Noticed I was feeling slightly irritated with people, places, and things the rest of the day (even since Sunday). I will go so far as to manufacture irritations and dredge up the past with someone I'm irritated with so I have something to chew on. While talking to my husband on the phone, man, he was REAL irritating. Uh-oh. Wait just a gol durn minute! I think I've got some work to do. Didn't do it.
Trying to get to sleep last night. Body is hurting. Head, back, arms, etc. Finally take some Ibuprophen. This morning, I can feel the pain lurking. What's up? Oh yeah, Father's Day recently. I hate my father and I hate men (in fairness, I hate my mother, too). On Sunday, I called out of duty. Left a message. He won't call me back even though I'm the reason for the season. I could care less if he know's his granddaughter is pregnant. He doesn't even contact his granddaughter and seldom his own daughter. He's 80 and has 15% function of both kidneys and I could care less if he dies.
I've got SO much to do today! No time to get out "The Language of Emotions: What your feelings are trying to tell you" to do the HATE and anger exercise. Do I want to continue to feel bad? Because I'm no different than those ladies who complain, but won't, for whatever reason, help themselves (and expect the doctors to do it).
ALRIGHT! I'm still committed to loving myself! Finally created my sacred space this morning to do the work that I know will move me into and past all the feelings that create pain and suffering. It took me an hour. Am I all better now? No. There's more. And I can ALWAYS trust life to show up to let me know what's next. For me, the shadow work is most important (that's where I see how I am the same as "they" are in both positive and negative ways).
I feel some better physically now. Thanks everyone for the dialogue here. It helped to know I'm not alone in my insanity. Kat |
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1koolkat
USA
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Posted - 06/18/2013 : 11:49:06
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And, I want to add, it's lovely to know that I'm not alone in my commitment to healing and self-love.
Namaste, Kat |
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plum
United Kingdom
641 Posts |
Posted - 06/18/2013 : 14:27:36
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| pspa123, I believe you would be fine company. Here's to you and the wisdom of equanimity. |
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The comments on this post are so irritating
