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NextAdventure
USA
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 Posted - 05/10/2013 : 09:53:33
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I am new to TM but not pain. Last July I was doing my usual running and cycling every day when I started have Achilles pain in my right foot. Within a couple of days it was my whole foot then it was both feet.
About a month later I woke up with pain in my entire body – only my ears and tone nails don’t hurt. Diagnosed with Fibromyalgia. Now I have such right shoulder pain that I can not comb my hair or brush my teeth – and my feet still hurt so much that I can hardly get to the bathroom after 8 months.
Still so stiff cant get up out of a chair and hurt all over. I had to stop work and thank God I have disability insurance. I have tried to force myself to get going and it just makes the pain worse and can set me back weeks
My therapist is not aware of TMS but she says I have internal conflicts. I have an addictive personality and because I am a health nut would never touch a drug so I do it with behaviors.
So to all the TMS experts here will an internal conflict cause this almost total pain disability. |
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tennis tom
USA
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Posted - 05/10/2013 : 10:52:05
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Hi NA,
YEP!, fibro IS TMS! If you haven't gotten one of the Good Doctor's books yet do so. You came to the right place, curl up with a TMS book, Steve Ozanich and Nicole Sachs have new one's out also, and the source of your pains and worries will soon be revealed and you'll be on the path to feeling better.
G'luck!
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DR. SARNO'S 12 DAILY REMINDERS:
www.youtube.com/watch?v=r0dKBFwGR0g
TAKE THE HOLMES-RAHE STRESS TEST
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holmes_and_Rahe_stress_scale
Some of my favorite excerpts from _THE DIVIDED MIND_ :
http://www.tmshelp.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=2605
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"It is no measure of health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society." Jiddu Krishnamurti
"Pain is inevitable; suffering is optional." Author Unknown
"Happy People Are Happy Putters." Frank Nobilo, Golf Analyst
"Be careful about reading health books. You may die of a misprint." Mark Twain and Balto
"The hot-dog is the noblest of dogs; it feeds the hand that bites it." Dr. Laurence Johnston Peter
"...the human emotional system was not designed to endure the mental rigors of a tennis match." Dr. Allen Fox
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"If it ends with "itis" or "algia" or "syndrome" and doctors can't figure out what causes it, then it might be TMS." Dave the Mod =================================================
TMS PRACTITIONERS:
John Sarno, MD
400 E 34th St, New York, NY 10016
(212) 263-6035
Here's the TMS practitioners list from the TMS Help Forum:
http://www.tmshelp.com/links.htm
Here's a list of TMS practitioners from the TMS Wiki:
http://tmswiki.org/ppd/Find_a_TMS_Doctor_or_Therapist
Here's a map of TMS practitioners from the old Tarpit Yoga site, (click on the map by state for listings).:
http://www.tarpityoga.com/2007_08_01_archive.html |
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NextAdventure
USA
57 Posts |
Posted - 05/10/2013 : 12:23:40
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| I read Steve's book and did the Dr. Schetcher program - no help as yet |
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tennis tom
USA
4749 Posts |
Posted - 05/10/2013 : 12:47:23
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| Email SteveO, he's a frequent contributor to this board, he's very generous with his time, but his book is starting to take off going national, give him a try. |
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Birdie78
Germany
145 Posts |
Posted - 05/10/2013 : 13:29:26
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NextAdventure, sent you an email via forum, telling you something about the Amygdala Retraining designed for "fibro" and other conditions produced by the mind/brain...find that very helpful and it's absoulutely TMS-compatible.
Did you identify the trigger that was the onset for your extreme pain?
I've had single pain hotspots for many years now (still have them) but my "fibro" started when I wasn't able to cope with the many stressors in my live that accumulated over time and also triggered some negative experiences from my childhood what set my limbic system on fire resulting in a kind of system crash because I did not have any ressources to deal with that kind of pain, I never learnt it.
Fibro and CFS are definitely severe forms of TMS!!
Kind regards from Germany sends Birdie |
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Peregrinus
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Posted - 05/10/2013 : 17:03:03
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Originally posted by Birdie78
Did you identify the trigger that was the onset for your extreme pain?
NA:
I wish to reiterate Birdie’s post. To say you have an addictive personality says very little. The question is why are you the way you are? Your therapist is probably right in that you have conflicts. I would try to identify and resolve them. The conflicts that participants of this forum reveal tend to involve their (adopted and false) identity. The conflict is simply that they are not who they think they are. They subconsciously realize they are phonies and the pain rescues them from having to face that ugly fact.
Try to accept the pain (I know it is difficult) and concentrate on uncovering the conflict(s).
As E. Tolle says: “…rise above identification with form that keeps the ego in place and condemns (you) to imprisonment within (your) own personality.”
Good luck!
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NextAdventure
USA
57 Posts |
Posted - 05/10/2013 : 22:01:38
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Pere
They subconsciously realize they are phonies and the pain rescues them from having to face that ugly fact.
That is very astute – where did you get that. I would like to learn more
I grew up in a horrid family so I have no doubt I have a false self....or several |
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plum
United Kingdom
641 Posts |
Posted - 05/11/2013 : 01:55:08
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Peregrinus, I agree with your observations. I remember Pema Chodron once commenting that the larger the (fake) smile, the bigger the (hidden) anger. I realised some time ago how I concealed a raft of hurts behind a propped-up persona. I smiled, I listened, I helped, I fell over myself to be nice. At it's ugly heart, the evolution of this false self was due to the grooming and hypnotic manipulations of a sexual predator. I posted on this a couple of days ago. I thank you for raising this essential aspect of tms. Until we honestly see, realise and accept how phony, fake and brittle this facade is, and commence the excavation of our authentic self, we chase our tms tails.
Nextadventure, I was a rabid health nut throughout my 20's. I suffered with horrific candidiasis and thrush (clearly tms and a result of trauma), which had the added dubious benefit of rendering me impossibly thin and childlike. At this point I attracted another predator into my life because I didn't/couldn't connect the dots. It is beyond comprehension how utterly and completely blind I have been to this, even until recently. I offer this explanation in the hopes that you'll have further idea of the genesis of the people-pleasing persona that Sarno speaks of and the attendant conflict. Peregrinus amplifies this insight. SteveO discusses it too.
Welcome to the forum. |
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NextAdventure
USA
57 Posts |
Posted - 05/11/2013 : 06:47:46
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Good Morning Plum
I am far from a people pleaser. I have strong boundaries and respect for myself. What I struggle with is playing roles in business that are near addictions. I am 100% transparent and genuine with my wife and personal relationships but get me into a business deal and I can take on roles bigger than who I really am.
On some levels it has worked, I am financially very well off but it appears it may have other costs. I believe I learned to over inflate myself to get what I wanted after I ran away at age 15 as a survival tool. This probably started in my mid-20’s as I was working on ways to make money and survive. |
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tennis tom
USA
4749 Posts |
Posted - 05/11/2013 : 09:39:49
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NA,
You didn't mention in your initial post that you read SteveO's book, if you found no help in that, I don't know how much help you will get at a message board. You are sounding defensive when you get advice here. Your story reminds me a lot of another poster here who went by two names, Ric and All1spirit. He came on here all fired up for healing but then started ridiculing the Good Doctor's theory.
Why do you say you are not a "Goodist"?
Why did you not benefit from SteveO's book? It is very definitive with many good sources for help.
I would advise you to see a TMS doctor and seek out a TMS therapist, if you have fibro/TMS. You can find them listed in my sig. below.
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DR. SARNO'S 12 DAILY REMINDERS:
www.youtube.com/watch?v=r0dKBFwGR0g
TAKE THE HOLMES-RAHE STRESS TEST
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holmes_and_Rahe_stress_scale
Some of my favorite excerpts from _THE DIVIDED MIND_ :
http://www.tmshelp.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=2605
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"It is no measure of health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society." Jiddu Krishnamurti
"Pain is inevitable; suffering is optional." Author Unknown
"Happy People Are Happy Putters." Frank Nobilo, Golf Analyst
"Be careful about reading health books. You may die of a misprint." Mark Twain and Balto
"The hot-dog is the noblest of dogs; it feeds the hand that bites it." Dr. Laurence Johnston Peter
"...the human emotional system was not designed to endure the mental rigors of a tennis match." Dr. Allen Fox
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"If it ends with "itis" or "algia" or "syndrome" and doctors can't figure out what causes it, then it might be TMS." Dave the Mod =================================================
TMS PRACTITIONERS:
John Sarno, MD
400 E 34th St, New York, NY 10016
(212) 263-6035
Here's the TMS practitioners list from the TMS Help Forum:
http://www.tmshelp.com/links.htm
Here's a list of TMS practitioners from the TMS Wiki:
http://tmswiki.org/ppd/Find_a_TMS_Doctor_or_Therapist
Here's a map of TMS practitioners from the old Tarpit Yoga site, (click on the map by state for listings).:
http://www.tarpityoga.com/2007_08_01_archive.html |
Edited by - tennis tom on 05/11/2013 17:17:47 |
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NextAdventure
USA
57 Posts |
Posted - 05/11/2013 : 16:37:59
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Tennis
I am far from a "Goodist" more of a Shark of the attorney type. I can slice and dice people in business.I have no desire to please anyone other than my wife and family. My wife is one of the strongest women I have ever met and would never be with a man without a backbone. She keeps my game up!!!
I thought Steves book had some great content but way too verbose. I spent 4 years in therapy for my childhood and have no need to revisit it.
So far what I have seen from TMS writers and therapists is limited in scope. I think there is more to know. I do know that TMS is real. |
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Peregrinus
250 Posts |
Posted - 05/11/2013 : 17:06:20
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Next Adventure:
Your reply to Plum's post suggests that you may be experiencing stress because of your parents and perhaps your children. Caring for your parents after running away at age 15 could create conflicts. The same could be said for sending your children to college. If I'm wrong I apologize otherwise there are some participants in this forum that might help you if you can articulate these conflicts. |
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tennis tom
USA
4749 Posts |
Posted - 05/11/2013 : 17:09:00
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NA,
If reading TMS books isn't enough, I don't know what more you'll get from a message board, this isn't rocket science, the Good Doctor's theory is beautifully simple. You may need your TMS/fibro for protection. As Deepak Chopra says: "Staying home with the flu is the Western form of meditation". In your case, after all your "shark" business dealings your subconscious may be telling you, that you need a sabbatical from the grinding. That's what you bought your disability insurance for, use it to go fishing and recuperate your mindbody. If you want more assurance, see a TMS doctor for a definitive DX and then see a TMS psychotherapist, their contacts are in my sig. One not on the list yet is Nicole Sachs in Delaware who has written an excellent short new TMS book if you found SteveO's too long, actually his editors made him cut it in half. Maybe your subconscious fears losing the respect and affection of your wife due to your disability--just guessing from the little info about you there is to go on.
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DR. SARNO'S 12 DAILY REMINDERS:
www.youtube.com/watch?v=r0dKBFwGR0g
TAKE THE HOLMES-RAHE STRESS TEST
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holmes_and_Rahe_stress_scale
Some of my favorite excerpts from _THE DIVIDED MIND_ :
http://www.tmshelp.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=2605
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"It is no measure of health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society." Jiddu Krishnamurti
"Pain is inevitable; suffering is optional." Author Unknown
"Happy People Are Happy Putters." Frank Nobilo, Golf Analyst
"Be careful about reading health books. You may die of a misprint." Mark Twain and Balto
"The hot-dog is the noblest of dogs; it feeds the hand that bites it." Dr. Laurence Johnston Peter
"...the human emotional system was not designed to endure the mental rigors of a tennis match." Dr. Allen Fox
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"If it ends with "itis" or "algia" or "syndrome" and doctors can't figure out what causes it, then it might be TMS." Dave the Mod =================================================
TMS PRACTITIONERS:
John Sarno, MD
400 E 34th St, New York, NY 10016
(212) 263-6035
Here's the TMS practitioners list from the TMS Help Forum:
http://www.tmshelp.com/links.htm
Here's a list of TMS practitioners from the TMS Wiki:
http://tmswiki.org/ppd/Find_a_TMS_Doctor_or_Therapist
Here's a map of TMS practitioners from the old Tarpit Yoga site, (click on the map by state for listings).:
http://www.tarpityoga.com/2007_08_01_archive.html |
Edited by - tennis tom on 05/11/2013 20:51:32 |
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NextAdventure
USA
57 Posts |
Posted - 05/11/2013 : 21:06:05
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Tom
You may have a point on the punishment. I was left feeling it was my fault my father left the family when I was young and probably felt it was my fault the way a mean stepfather treated me. One reason I became so powerful in the world was to never let anyone get me again.
Both my parents were handed difficult childhoods and I am far past blaming them. I provide for their care because it is the right thing to do. In many ways they made me find the tough and resourceful places inside myself. I refuse to see my self as a victim......it was hard and painful but it made me a compassionate man that raised three high functioning children who are set to take on the world. One daughter graduated from college in 2011 and went on a world trip with $300 in her pocket and is working her way around the world.
My son just received a PhD in engineering and wanted to bike across Asia so he and three friends are flying there in two weeks . He rode from Seattle to Miami last summer.
I wish that feeling of confidence and safety when I was their age. |
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tennis tom
USA
4749 Posts |
Posted - 05/12/2013 : 08:49:54
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Hi NA,
That's a good reply.
Thanks
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DR. SARNO'S 12 DAILY REMINDERS:
www.youtube.com/watch?v=r0dKBFwGR0g
TAKE THE HOLMES-RAHE STRESS TEST
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holmes_and_Rahe_stress_scale
Some of my favorite excerpts from _THE DIVIDED MIND_ :
http://www.tmshelp.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=2605
==================================================
"It is no measure of health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society." Jiddu Krishnamurti
"Pain is inevitable; suffering is optional." Author Unknown
"Happy People Are Happy Putters." Frank Nobilo, Golf Analyst
"Be careful about reading health books. You may die of a misprint." Mark Twain and Balto
"The hot-dog is the noblest of dogs; it feeds the hand that bites it." Dr. Laurence Johnston Peter
"...the human emotional system was not designed to endure the mental rigors of a tennis match." Dr. Allen Fox
======================================================
"If it ends with "itis" or "algia" or "syndrome" and doctors can't figure out what causes it, then it might be TMS." Dave the Mod =================================================
TMS PRACTITIONERS:
John Sarno, MD
400 E 34th St, New York, NY 10016
(212) 263-6035
Here's the TMS practitioners list from the TMS Help Forum:
http://www.tmshelp.com/links.htm
Here's a list of TMS practitioners from the TMS Wiki:
http://tmswiki.org/ppd/Find_a_TMS_Doctor_or_Therapist
Here's a map of TMS practitioners from the old Tarpit Yoga site, (click on the map by state for listings).:
http://www.tarpityoga.com/2007_08_01_archive.html |
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Ace1
USA
1040 Posts |
Posted - 05/12/2013 : 09:41:06
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| Na, your problem in causing your tms is too much intensity. You have to take a step back in order to help yourself heal. Taking on the world in this manner is not a good thing when it comes to tms. Like you said you had to be that way bc of your childhood, but you don't have to be that way any longer. |
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njoy
Canada
188 Posts |
Posted - 05/12/2013 : 09:57:29
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Peregrinus said, "The conflicts that participants of this forum reveal tend to involve their (adopted and false) identity. The conflict is simply that they are not who they think they are. They subconsciously realize they are phonies and the pain rescues them from having to face that ugly fact.
Try to accept the pain (I know it is difficult) and concentrate on uncovering the conflict(s)."
I want to hear more about this. It resonates. So, I will start a new thread and await responses rather than hijacking this thread. See? I can behave if I want to 
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"It's worth considering that tms is not a treatment but rather an unfolding of the self, and a way of living as an emotionally aware and engaged soul." Plum |
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NextAdventure
USA
57 Posts |
Posted - 05/12/2013 : 19:41:20
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NJoy
Please I really want to explore this. I was about to kick TMS to the curb if it was all about digging up old childhood trauma |
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NicoleSachsLCSW
USA
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Posted - 05/13/2013 : 17:34:40
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Thank you, Tom for always allowing people the option of looking into my work. I apologize that my busy family life has kept me from being here more often, but as the school year ends and the summer begins (without homework every night for 5 people!) I hope to be a more regular contributor.
I can't speak for anyone else's work or book. All I can say is that I have done my very best to explain TMS through my own experience with Dr. S, and my TMS clients who are pain free (many of them) for many years.
I also know, through my daily living with the only person I can't seem to ignore (myself ;););) that TMS is as real as a severed arm, and I know it can be as healing as it is painful, with the correct guidance.
I'm not allowed to give you a link (for fear of unnecessary uproar which only serves to weaken this lovely site,) so I'll simply say that I wrote a book and perhaps it will allow you to open up a life-changing dialogue with yourself. My name is Nicole, and the book is called The Meaning of Truth.
All the best to all of you lovely people.
-njs
Embrace your Truth, Create your Life. |
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tennis tom
USA
4749 Posts |
Posted - 05/13/2013 : 22:08:47
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quote:
Originally posted by NicoleSachsLCSW
I'm not allowed to give you a link (for fear of unnecessary uproar which only serves to weaken this lovely site,) so I'll simply say that I wrote a book and perhaps it will allow you to open up a life-changing dialogue with yourself. My name is Nicole, and the book is called The Meaning of Truth.
All the best to all of you lovely people.
-njs
Embrace your Truth, Create your Life.
Hi Nicole,
The tempest in a teapot has subsided and the forum has returned to it's "normal" homeostasis, for awhile. I'll provide some links to you, you are already well represented at the TMS wiki and that's enough TMS cred to be linked to from here. I'll take the fall, what are they going to do to me, the jails are full? 
Cheers Babe,
tt/lsmft
http://meaningoftruthbook.com/
http://www.tmswiki.org/forum/media/keyword/nicole%20sachs/
Delaware
Nicole Sachs, LCSW (Therapist)
Nicole Sachs is a graduate of the University of St. Thomas, and has been treating people with TMS for over 10 years. During that time she has seen over 100 clients with TMS. Sachs is the author of the book, The Meaning of Truth, which describes her practice and treatment methods. She is also a recovered TMS patient herself, and a previous member of Dr. Sarno's Alumni Panels, where she would tell Dr. Sarno's new patients about her own experience with TMS. In 2013, the PTPN recorded an interview with Nicole Sachs, where she again described her battle with chronic pain, and her success with the TMS approach.
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NextAdventure
USA
57 Posts |
Posted - 05/14/2013 : 06:20:54
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Tom
Does her book add anything new to Steves or other writers books |
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