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alix
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 Posted - 04/19/2013 : 20:26:55
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| pspa, your thoughts come back in a millisecond when/if needed. But I can for example go buy groceries and not have a single thought. It feels great. If you can lower that incessant mind chatter just by a few %, it makes a huge difference. |
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pspa123
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Posted - 04/19/2013 : 20:30:14
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| Alix i was referring to shawns post about not knowing anything about the world. |
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alix
USA
434 Posts |
Posted - 04/19/2013 : 20:40:38
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| I understand. I do follow the news but I am not as informed 24/7 as I used to be. I read the news in the morning and try to leave it at that. I am not posting on political/news forums anymore for example which was a useless addiction for me. |
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pspa123
672 Posts |
Posted - 04/19/2013 : 20:52:27
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| Colin have you tried eft or faster eft some claim they help |
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shawnsmith
Czech Republic
2048 Posts |
Posted - 04/20/2013 : 05:58:33
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Originally posted by pspa123
Not caring about one,s fellow human beings doesnt sound like a recipe for health to me.
How is feeding oneself with a daily diet of lies, sensationalisms and distortions a demonstration of caring about one's fellow human beings? How is viewing news which is consciously designed to disturb and keep viewers in a constant state of agitation and fear going to help you get better?
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other people have of you is inauthentic living – another unconscious role the ego plays.” -- Ekhart Tolle |
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gigalos
Netherlands
310 Posts |
Posted - 04/20/2013 : 07:16:20
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Originally posted by tennis tom
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Originally posted by gigalos
Dedicate a thread to him or his negativity in general and just post the shortcut in future threads if you need to make a point. See it as pointing to his picture hanging behind the bar with a short statement beneath it "don't let this guy pull you down".
That's an excellent idea! I'm a internet Luddite, you're an IT professional I believe, I nominate you to do it.
Thanks,
tt/lsmft
Thanks Tom, althought I am not an IT pro, consider it done! "Take it outside"
If you have anything to add, please do it there.
http://www.tmshelp.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=8450 |
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tennis tom
USA
4749 Posts |
Posted - 04/20/2013 : 07:38:10
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Originally posted by gigalos
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Originally posted by tennis tom
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Originally posted by gigalos
Dedicate a thread to him or his negativity in general and just post the shortcut in future threads if you need to make a point. See it as pointing to his picture hanging behind the bar with a short statement beneath it "don't let this guy pull you down".
That's an excellent idea! I'm a internet Luddite, you're an IT professional I believe, I nominate you to do it.
Thanks,
tt/lsmft
Thanks Tom, althought I am not an IT pro, consider it done! "Take it outside"
If you have anything to add, please do it there.
http://www.tmshelp.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=8450
Thanks for following through so swiftly Gigalos! Just for demonstration purposes, let's say I say some so and so is full of ****, piss and ****, how would the honorable chap direct me to continue the discussion at the "Take it Outside Thread"?
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cnotes11
USA
49 Posts |
Posted - 04/20/2013 : 07:39:59
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Thank you all for separating the conflict and ideological argument(s) among forum members from your answers to my post. Also thank you for taking the time to answer, it sincerely means a lot to me.
@Ace yes your making sense, unfortunately what your describing is not easy.
@Shawnsmith I don't watch news either. Dropped the politics as well. Guaranteed ways to make yourself more tense, angry, fearful, etc. Talk politics or watch the news.
@catmac I will send him a message. He seems highly regarded around here.
@pspa yes I tried EFT, on my own and with 2 different practitioners. I didn't make a big impact for me. It was disappointing because I heard such great things about it prior. Also affirmations, did them for a year. Then just got sick of how touchy feely it felt, and seeing no tangible result to my efforts.
@worldtrv I have my own qualms with with Sarno, but generally think hes right enough. I don't want to debate it though either. Meditation center in my area? I don't know, the city I am from in the states certainly would have this. But I am currently in China. I came here to research TCM, and see if it could help me in any way. Maybe I can look into it when I go home. Although in the past I've also lived at a health center... whose main focus was mindfulness, meditation, and emotional processing. While there I did group meditation often, I found it distracting. But maybe I dismissed it too quick. I dont know.
Yes you are correct in saying that I pretty well understand the theory but fall down in practice. Like you say its simple, but also very hard. And I am already currently meditating 2x per day (for the last 2 months). One could easily answer my question by saying.. its okay just return to the breathe or its okay continue to practice. But I am unable in my mind, and through my daily experience, to stop desperately wanting relief. It feels like my life cannot continue this way, and hence I am unable to divorce these thoughts and desires from my practice. Whereby it feels like the meditation I am doing isn't as "effective" (I know there are logical problems with describing it this way)as it could be. Hence my question, which I fear doesn't really have an answer.
@chickenbone Its probably safe to say I have a more difficult case too. I think I had a relatively healthy childhood, but've always been a highly sensitive person. So maybe the little traumas I experienced where enough to create this ****storm I am currently in. I guess speculating in this vain is pointless because you will never know where the content of your subconscious comes from or why it is how it is. By "qualified person" you mean TMS therapist? I've come close to trying this in the past. Never have, would you mind breaking down for me why you believe this helps "difficult" cases? Specifics would help, because many things I've read make me feel as simply talking to a therapist is scratching about on the surface.
"Try to take this suffering as both a warning and an opportunity to know yourself for the first time in your life." -- I certainly have tried. The past 2 years my sole focus in life was doing whatever it took to get over this. I beat my head against the wall until I came to realize I couldn't force it. I tried to do less, and get on with life. Couldn't ignore the symptoms. I can't get on with life. I've read many times similar statements. They all just sound hollow to me. Being in pain/depressed trumps anything resembling a silver lining every single time. Where, myopic though it may be, I look around at the wreckage of my life and think this is pointless. Theres no lesson here. I guess I was just born to suffer.
I will note those books and take a look. Access might be an issue as I am in China. And to be honest my mind balks at the thought of starting another doctor/self help book. But what choice do I have right? I can kill myself or keep trying. |
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gigalos
Netherlands
310 Posts |
Posted - 04/20/2013 : 09:55:42
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Tom, http://www.tmshelp.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=8450
cnotes, sorry again for all the commotion, it had its purpose I guess.
I have only been on the board for a couple of months, so I am not able yet to give any better advice. I can only hope that you will find the way up again with the help of others on this forum. In the past I had a period I wanted to kill myself out of desperation, it is difficult but you need to keep grasping at what might look to you as straws only, I have the feeling one of those straws will eventually turn out to be a way to improve your situation. Good luck to you. |
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shawnsmith
Czech Republic
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chickenbone
Panama
398 Posts |
Posted - 04/20/2013 : 16:39:43
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First of all, Gigalos, that is a brilliant solution. I want to thank you for setting this up for us. Your example was both informative and entertaining.
Colin, I know what you mean about therapists and trying different approaches. I have tried a lot of things also and, while, I got some relief at first from a lot of them, and I am at least somewhat better and more aware, I have not found a lasting cure. But I keep trying because I believe that God/Universe/Higher Power, whatever you chose to call it, loves me and that my life is not meaningless although it often seems that way. It is this faith that keeps me going. It all boils down ultimately to the fact that a lot of us are ashamed of ourselves, don't like ourselves. Although this notion is completely irrational, deep down this is our basic problem. SteveO said it so perfectly and a lot of other really insightful people have said it too. In my own case, I unconsciously persist in the rumination of my own shame because I have this irrational idea, somewhere in the depths of my unconscious, that I am not a worthy human being and that somehow all the problems in my life are my own fault. If we can't love ourselves, we can't really love anyone else. This idea will cause us physical pain and the pain of abandonment and separation from the rest of humanity. This is the basis of the perfectionist/goodist personality. It is common for people who have been traumatized early in life to turn the rage against themselves. It is also common for sensitive, perfectionist types to direct their inner rage against themselves.
I am a sensitive type also. I think sensitives have a much harder time with TMS. I think SteveO also talks about the sensitive person in his book.
The reason I urge you not to rule out a depth psychology approach is because there are newer, better approaches that incorporate new knowledge and technology of the brain, body and mind/body connection. 2 books that might give you an idea if this could be of help to you are Dr. Alexander's book mentioned above and also a book called "In An Unspoken Voice, How The Body Releases trauma and Restores Goodness" by Dr. Peter Levine. You might also look at Coherence Therapy covered in Dr. Alexander's book. I would read Dr. Alexander's book first because it offers a smorgasbord of both professional and self-help options.
I also have a similar problem, being in a foreign country. I live in Panama. |
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cnotes11
USA
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Posted - 04/22/2013 : 02:31:36
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