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Mom2two
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 Posted - 03/30/2013 : 04:55:42
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Recently I have started running. I have never done this before. I run on a treadmill and am training for a 5k on mothers day. I want to actually be able to run for the whole race. I am not there yet. I have developed a type of shin splint that hurts alot. Everyone says...OH shin splints...those are bad...you need to rest, stop running etc. This is feeding my TMS. I know it is TMS...Tennis Tom, I know you over came shin splints. Can you provide me some insight? I need help...because I have let everyone get in my head that running is so hard on the body...oh it is bad for the joints...oh dont run!! I know my body has to be conditioned to do this...and I am taking it slow...but how much of this is TMS?
Now...After all the years I have spent batteling pain...I am still stumped on "how" to actually do it, especially with a new pain. I think.... I dont want to do it. Meaning...I get it...it is easier to have pain, than deal with the every day struggles in my life. These struggles ignite old feelings from my childhood where I was a helpless girl, with no control of my situation. I know I need to journal alot...but I dont. I make excuses. I am avoiding it. Well...no more avoiding it. I just printed out Ace's Keys...which I have been procrastinating on...and now I am putting it in writing that I am going to get busy with my healing.
I am going to resolve my shin splints and do this 5k...even if I have to walk it. I replay Dr Sarno's words to me in my head every day...."There is nothing wrong with you...you could run a marathon if you want to"!
Now...I just have to believe it. |
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gigalos
Netherlands
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Posted - 03/30/2013 : 06:28:19
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Hi Mom,
Shin splints. I have had them and they didn't go away from months of rest and icing. Now I think about it... I can't remember when they dissappeared actually... :)
I know from trigger point theory that they're mostly created from trigger points in muscles. Trigger points is often nothing more than TMS at work.
My advice: forget about the run. Yes, may sound weird, but I think it is actually putting strain on you. Just use that time to work on your healing from TMS. When the day comes, see if you feel up to it. If not, don't feel let down, just know that one day you will be able to run the distance. I personally feel that rushing yourself to heal from TMS is not the way to go.
I am healing from TMS but only gradually up the physical workouts. I don't expect wonders and it feels good to see some progress every week. |
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Peregrinus
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Posted - 03/30/2013 : 06:41:29
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Mom22:
Tendons, muscles, cartilage, etc. are plastic in that with stretching and exercise and increased blood flow they are able to increase their range of movement. Just as a leather glove is stiff and uncomfortable immediately after it is worn and then becomes soft and pliable after the movement, heat and moisture from your hand takes effect, your body’s connective tissue is also initially stiff. I experience this with my knees as I start on a bicycle ride. As I’m riding I gently hyperextend my knee joint a few times and the pain leaves. I’d suggest you have a good trainer teach you some warm-up stretches. Doing this will also convince you that your shins are OK.
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All1Spirit
USA
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Posted - 03/30/2013 : 07:37:20
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I have been a runner (and an athletic trainer) for over 45 years and had my share of shin splints and pushing them wont allow them to heal. I don’t agree with the some peoples TMS proposition to push through the pain – you can tear muscles and have a very long recuperation period. Shin splints are already micro muscle tears.
They are usually caused by two things; muscle imbalance like weak calves or trying to get ahead of your conditioning. Learn the stretches and do them gently as the pain subsides which can be several weeks. Then start a full strengthening program from your back down.
Bad news, a treadmill will not condition you like the road will - the treadmill is powered under your feet giving a unnatural gait and working muscles in way they are not intended to to move. Having your forefoot mechanically forced backwards can cause shin splints.
"Around and Around the Circle We Go....
The Answer Sits In The Middle and Knows..." |
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tennis tom
USA
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Posted - 03/30/2013 : 07:49:21
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Hi M2T,
I've run thirteen marathons and never had a shin-splint. Go run, give it a shot, see what happens. The worst that will happen is you may need to walk. Try walking through it and think about TMS. Give it about twenty minutes and see if it goes away. I've walked and run in many races when I was "injured". The body is strong--it's the mind that is weak.
G'luck!
tt
Think about Dr. Sarno's affirmations in the link below:
DR. SARNO'S 12 DAILY REMINDERS:
www.youtube.com/watch?v=r0dKBFwGR0g
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tennis tom
USA
4749 Posts |
Posted - 03/31/2013 : 06:17:50
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M2t, Here's a page from a book of "thank you's" presented to the Good Doctor, upon his recent retirement from NYU Rusk Hospital, hope it gives you some hope to run:
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"Sarah’s Thank You
Posted on October 18, 2012
Dr. Sarno,
I have never met you, only once read your book “Healing Back Pain” that was recommended by a friend. I owe you so much gratitude for changing my life! I suffered from over 8 years of chronic back pain. I was told I had bulging discs, spina bifida occulta and pars defect/spondylosis. Not only did I have back pain, but I have had 7 surgeries on multiple joints. 4 on my knee, one on my hip and both shoulders with rotator cuffs tears. To my surgeons amazement, I was a 34 year old homemaker and tore my rotator cuff without any accident or trauma! To dig deeper as to explain why I had so many issues at such a young age, I visited a rheumatologist who discovered I may possibly have Degenerative Back Disease and would probably have to take medication the rest of my life while my back disintegrated. Then read your book…
Before my pain issues I was a top runner in my state of Indiana and had a cross country scholarship to college. As my life stressors accelerated, so did my pain issues. After my junior year of college I could no longer run more that a 5K. As an adult I dreamed to run the Chicago Marathon. I had surgeries, physical therapy, took all the supplements I could find for my “bad joints” just so some day I could run again. Acupuncture, chiropractors and massage therapists too. Nothing helped long term. One issue would resolve just to have another injury occur. I couldn’t get past a 5K run without developing another injury or having significant pain.
I read your book March of 2012. To be honest, I got very angry! I couldn’t believe that all these years I had listened to all these Dr’s and professionals, when it turns out they were wrong all along. I put my running shoes on and went for a run, pain popped up here and there. Within a few days, the pain was gone.
I sit here writing this letter to you, not knowing if you’ll ever read it. But wanted to tell you that it has been 7 months after reading your book and I just completed my dream of running the 2012 Chicago Marathon!!! Not only did I simply finish, I smashed it! I ran it in 4 hours 2 minutes! I put your book down after reading it and haven’t stopped running since! I have no plans of stopping with a marathon either. The sky’s the limit! I feel like I’ve been given my life back and I credit you for that.
Forever grateful, Sarah"
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from:
www.thankyoudrsarno.org
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art
1903 Posts |
Posted - 03/31/2013 : 07:44:09
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MOm,
Not posting much these days, but shin splints are of interest to me. In my opinion there's little doubt shin splints can be real. However, like most over-use apparent injuries, they can also be TMS. I know Dr. Sarno has suggested they often are.
But it will do you little good to challenge the pain of you're still gripped by fear. I used to challenge everything, but I've learned to be more patient. Job 1 is to cultivate an attitude of acceptance. "OK, I might or might not have shin splints. If I do, they're not serious. A few weeks of rest is all that's required."
And if you don't, you'll soon realize this once your fear and worry dissipate.
It's win/win. Either way.
Don't fret. You've got plenty of healthy running ahead of you. I just wouldn't push it (even though I don't always practice what I preach...).
Just one man's opinion..
p.s. Hey tt, didn't realize you were a marathoner! |
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pspa123
672 Posts |
Posted - 03/31/2013 : 07:51:49
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| In ancient times i too was a distance runner. I went through about a year where i had a really nasty shinsplint in my right leg. But the weird thing was, there were days i did not feel it at all even on longer or harder runs. Looking back there may well have been a mental component. |
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All1Spirit
USA
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Posted - 03/31/2013 : 08:25:43
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There is pain that can be worked through and then there is pain that is a signal of not only TMS but many other issues. Read about the seminar where Sarno took all the peoples X- Ray and scans and threw them into the garbage without even looking at them...shades of a religious revival telling people to get up and walk. This is myopic to the point of being dangerous.
Seeing any medical/health problem as having only one potential cause is inexcusable for a medical professional. Lay people should not make any such recommendations. What worked for you could seriously injure another person
This clinic claims that they treat hundreds of Sarno patients that had complications from following a pure Sarno Plan. They use the TMS psychological and physical therapy as indicated.http://www.rosomoffpaincenter.com/page/conditions-treated
Unless you are a medical professional and have seen the patient it is not safe to make recommendations to just go out and exercise.
"Around and Around the Circle We Go....
The Answer Sits In The Middle and Knows..." |
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pspa123
672 Posts |
Posted - 03/31/2013 : 09:09:10
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Edited by - pspa123 on 03/31/2013 09:09:37 |
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tennis tom
USA
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Posted - 03/31/2013 : 09:50:52
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Rik, this is the TMS Forum, devoted to Dr. Sarno's theory. I play tennis nearly everyday and have been for 15 years on an "arthritic" hip, that not a day goes by that someone seeing me hobble doesn't berate me to get a hip-replacement. I played three tennis tournaments this January including a National Level 1, playing singles! I didn't win but I participated and didn't embarrass myself and got offers to practice with tournament players. I swim everyday, run in the water, have a business where I sit at desk for five hours. I drive street legal race cars as daily drivers, that would make others get a "herniated disk" just looking at them. If my gf let me, I would jump into my Jeep, drive cross country in a 100 year blizzard, with a minutes warning. I sleep well at night, and have all the friends I need. I'm not at this board because I'm asking for any help or sympathy. I'm here because the topic interests me, and as an athlete, understanding the workings of the body is important to me. I'm able to function as well as I do and lead what SteveO calls a dynamic life because I've read and believe what Dr. Sarno says about the human body and not what the chorus of his detractors, nay-sayers, nit pickers, and nattering nabobs of negativity would have me believe. I would no more sell or give away any of my TMS books then I would give away the family Bible, but I do lend them out and gift copies to people who never read them. The Good Doctor's Theory is not for everybody--obviously, it's the nature of the "human condition" that people need their socially acceptable TMS pain symptoms as a defense mechanism--a PROTECTOR--as Dr. Sarno says from facing the greater pain of their emotions. I'm proud to be a "true believer"--a Sarno purist. If it's all a "placebo" IT'S ONE HELL OF A PLACEBO!--thank you Doctor!
Where are you in your recovery coach?
PS, Rik, your warning is the typical boiler-plate that everyone giving medical advice protects themselves with, it's on the Home Page of this site. No one goes to Dr. Sarno first, he got the chronic pain sufferers that other doctors gave up on. The OP has gone to others for dx's with results she is not pleased with. No one comes to this site first! They've all had the exams and imaging you recommend to no avail. Dr. Sarno has a long clinical history with real patients and not with test-tubes with people who have thrown away their crutches. Sometimes x-rays and imaging does lie, or rather the people who are paid to interpret them and provide radiological reports are too married or in bed with the present medical/industrial complex and blinded to any but conventional alopathic medicine dogma. Acquiring TMS knowledge, teaches it's devotees to listen to their mindbodies, as well as their well-meaning doctors and other health practitioners. It's a given here, that no one is dx'ing, it is the TMS Forum so we do suggest what Dr. Sarno writes about. I've ran out my door many a time wondering if I would make it to the corner and almost every time was able to complete my run.
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tennis tom
USA
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Posted - 03/31/2013 : 10:03:10
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Originally posted by art
p.s. Hey tt, didn't realize you were a marathoner!
Hi Art, nice to hear from ya'. I ran 13 total, not too fast, but I finished them all! PR was just under 3:30, on hilly frisco courses. I was faster at the shorter distances. After about a decade of running, got back into tennis, missed smacking the fuzzy yellow ball. I still run but it's in the pool now.
Cheers & Happy Holiday,
tt |
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art
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Posted - 03/31/2013 : 20:18:37
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| 3:30's phenomenal as far as I'm concerned tt. If I ran any slower, I might just fall over. Hey at least I'm still out there doing it. My pcp says it's not normal for a man my age to be jogging. I just laugh, How little some of them really know... |
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altherunner
Canada
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Posted - 03/31/2013 : 22:18:49
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I have run 7 marathons, my first few were plauged with "injuries", that were tms. I had: plantar fasciitis, strained achilles, groin pull, hamstring pull, shin splints, sore calf, sciatica. I ran one a couple of years ago without training (or shoes) and i got blisters.
i was able to walk the last few miles no problem. I agree wit TT, give it a go, you can finish by walking if necessary. |
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bryan3000
USA
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Posted - 04/01/2013 : 09:23:28
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Great advice, Art. Nice to see you again.
Funny how it all seems to boil down to that one elusive word: acceptance. |
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tennis tom
USA
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Posted - 04/01/2013 : 09:59:19
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Originally posted by All1Spirit
This clinic claims that they treat hundreds of Sarno patients that had complications from following a pure Sarno Plan. They use the TMS psychological and physical therapy as indicated.http://www.rosomoffpaincenter.com/page/conditions-treated
Rik, I took a look at their web-site and they say the pain is of "PHYSICAL" origin. This is where they part ways with Dr. Sarno's theory. The program reminds me somewhat of Peter Egoscue's which I went through several times and read his books. They appear to take a team approach giving their patients, lots of attention.
Your saying that they treat hundreds of Dr. Sarno's patients with "complications" sounds scary and maybe misleading. What complications? --except that their pain continued because if it was TMS, they wouldn't--or couldn't--accept the Good Doctor's theory.
They appear to treat the patient non-invasively, so they wouldn't be doing any irreversible surgical procedures, therefore no permanent harm--that's a good thing but it wouldn't be treating the root cause of the symptom if it's TMS induced.
Perhaps patients have been helped by what Nicole Sachs says terms being "listened to", which the current medical/industrial complex has little time nor inclination to do. The problem with this type of "cure" is that it may only be good for that one particular symptom. The underlying emotional psychosomatic/TMS issues are perhaps not being treated or "listened to", and symptoms may recur in the form of TMS symptom substitution in the future.
Their program may work for many chronic pain sufferers, but if they are approaching the source as being "physical" in origin, they are departing from Dr. Sarno's theory that the source of the pain is psychosomatic. Are you contemplating using their program?
After perusing their site, it sounds very alluring and I was about to pull the trigger on a plane ticket or drive to Miami, and present them with my "arthritic" right hip. But, when I read a little deeper, and they mentioned their belief that the origin of the pain was "physical", that's where we depart company.
Rik, you've mentioned of late, that you've gotten better. Since you're a man of science, could you please share with us specifically, what got you better. You've had a lot of people trying to help you here, maybe you can tell us what is working for you.
G'luck!
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pspa123
672 Posts |
Posted - 04/01/2013 : 15:40:01
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| I was turned off by the website as soon as I saw the whole tab on ergonomics. I have no issue with the general proposition that it's better to have good posture than bad, but the notion that we need some precisely designed chair, and to sit in some particular configuration in perfect relationship with keyboard mouse and monitor, lest we become debilitated, strikes me as pseudo-scientific. |
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Mom2two
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Posted - 04/01/2013 : 17:32:02
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Thanks so much for all of your replies.
I am 95% sure this pain is TMS. I guess my 5% doubt is keeping me in pain, but after reading gigalos response, I think I am just afraid to run. This is new to me, being athletic that is. 3 months after having my daughter (8 months ago) I returned to the gym. I started slowly, and now have branched out to yoga...which used to terrify me, Pilates, strength training,TRX and now a personal trainer. I am very comfortable at the gym now, and I truley enjoy my workouts. When my trainer suggests an exercise, I do it. I told her not to hold back, I'll try anything. A race....scares me emotionally. In my mind, everyone there will be more trained, and more athletic than me, and I might look foolish. So yes maybe this is putting strain on me. I am just realizing this.
I always get pain when I travel...even for vacations. The funny thing is, once I am home...voila...no pain.
TT and runner...thank you for the encouragement. It is just what I needed. I will plan on just going for it, knowing I might have pain, but just doing it, even if I walk the whole way might be what I need to mentally conquer this fear, and along with it, the pain.
I worked out today with some discomfort but only with certain excercises.
I will keep you all posted on my progress, and perhaps start journaling about my fear and where it stems from.
Oh, and my first memory of TMS was when I was 8, and I had....shin splints...for no apparent reason. I was in pain, just walking, and had a gym teacher help me to stretch out my legs. At the time, I had a new baby sister, new school, and new step father who was a complete jerk. If I had only known about TMS then! |
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Help with Shin Splints and encouragement
