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RikR
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 Posted - 03/16/2013 : 06:48:38
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| Once you have identified the repressed emotion what have you found is the best way to work with it to get it to stop expressing as TMS? |
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balto
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Posted - 03/16/2013 : 07:03:49
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What I did is: Hit the delete button. Stop thinking about it. Stop dwelling on it. Don't re-live it. Don't focus on it. Forgive, forget, and move on.
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Mom2two
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Posted - 03/16/2013 : 07:46:45
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| I have always gotten success with journaling. I write everything down that I feel about the issue, and most of the time, a lot of other things come out along with it. Like Balto, I don't revisit it after that meaning, I won't reread it ever. So I get out everything and then literally and figuratively turn the page. Next time I need to write, I just go to the next blank page. |
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tennis tom
USA
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shawnsmith
Czech Republic
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Posted - 03/16/2013 : 07:52:17
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I agree with Balto. Dwelling on the past by inflicting one's mind with "should haves" or "should not haves," as well as a host of other destructive emotions, is not helpful. People go back and relive scenes from their past over and over again, but in the process they only inflict on themselves more agony. One has to learn to let go, forgive and move on. It is totally possible and better in the long run. I am not negating the fact that these emotions exist within us, but to continually feeding them and keeping then alive and active within you does not serve any good purpose, and most certainly is not going to help with the recovery process. This is, of course, my humble opinion.
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other people have of you is inauthentic living – another unconscious role the ego plays.” -- Ekhart Tolle |
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pspa123
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Posted - 03/16/2013 : 07:53:57
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| I dont think all of us have access to that delete button. From a depth psychology perspective I believe the answer would be to really feel those emotions so they are no longer repressed and coming out in other ways. |
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shawnsmith
Czech Republic
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Posted - 03/16/2013 : 07:54:27
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Good morning Tom
There is no doubt we all have experienced issues on that stress test and that these stressors lead to symptoms. But the question is how do we react to them in a way that will not lead to symptoms?
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pspa123
672 Posts |
Posted - 03/16/2013 : 07:55:58
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| I cant post links from an ipad but search on this forum for an article called release repressed emotions. |
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shawnsmith
Czech Republic
2048 Posts |
Posted - 03/16/2013 : 08:00:50
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Originally posted by pspa123
I dont think all of us have access to that delete button. From a depth psychology perspective I believe the answer would be to really feel those emotions so they are no longer repressed and coming out in other ways.
pspa123,
You defeat yourself before you even try. Do you know, as per Sarno, that the emotions you consciously feel are not the source of your problem? He stated this many times in his books. What he refers to as repressed emotions are never or rarely felt and cannot be accessed by most people. So if you feel a particular emotion it is not repressed and, as per Sarno, is not the source of your symptoms. I am not saying I agree or disagree, I am merely citing Sarno.
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other people have of you is inauthentic living – another unconscious role the ego plays.” -- Ekhart Tolle |
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pspa123
672 Posts |
Posted - 03/16/2013 : 08:07:34
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| Shawn as a static concept that may be true but in therapy or perhaps even on their own people can unmask what has been hidden. That is, as I understand it, why Sarno referred many people to therapists who did depth psychology. I could be wrong but I dont believe he referred people for CBT. But as I always say I think there are many approaches and different ones may work for different people. |
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RageSootheRatio
Canada
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Posted - 03/16/2013 : 08:08:53
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The best way(s) for me have been:
1. to journal about it, using a very specific form I learned from Emotional Brain Training, which is to journal (or say out loud alone, or to another person) the WHOLE "flow of feelings" (Anger, Sadness, Fear, Guilt) so that one does not get STUCK in one particular feeling, and then to identify the cognitive aspects such as the unreasonable expectations / beliefs and then to come up with something more cognitively empowering.
2. Just to express the feelings ... for example, if I am sad, then to cry.
3. Sometimes just identifying the issues in a long list and feeling the feelings about it.
I think this is a case of "it really DEPENDS" though .. if it is a "survival circuit" sort of "repressed emotion" ... ie a VERY deep issue (such as you have mentioned on other threads) and THAT is spawning a whole lot of other stressful situations and emotions, then it will need something different than a more superficial repressed emotion.
In that case, I have found the most success in an even more gentle approach, such as I learned from Emotional Brain Training, which starts with just a time (could be several months or more) of just BEING with and SEEING the issue and feeling the feelings around it (the ones I can tolerate) without trying to change the behavior(s) around it ...
So I think there are varying types of "repressed emotions" and need different approaches (and also one which is customized for the individual). Those are just some of the things that have been helpful to me from time to time. - RSR |
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alix
USA
434 Posts |
Posted - 03/16/2013 : 10:22:56
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You can try EMDR or EFT. Dr.Alexander makes a good case for those practices in the context of TMS.
I personally used FasterEFT and was successful:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UnTwiQY2hcM
It is not only Dr.Alexander that recommends EFT or EMDR. I am reading the Bruce Ecker book on Coherence Therapy and he also mentions EFT and EMDR. |
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chickenbone
Panama
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Posted - 03/16/2013 : 10:41:54
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| I have done extremely well with EFT on myself to de condition myself from some very stressful situations that I often encounter. It has helped me with sudden TMS symptoms, health anxiety, and sleep anxiety, to name a few. I even use some eye movement techniques from EMDR. I am thinking of getting EMDR therapy from a qualified practitioner. |
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alix
USA
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pspa123
672 Posts |
Posted - 03/16/2013 : 11:01:13
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Originally posted by alix
You can try EMDR or EFT. Dr.Alexander makes a good case for those practices in the context of TMS.
I personally used FasterEFT and was successful:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UnTwiQY2hcM
It is not only Dr.Alexander that recommends EFT or EMDR. I am reading the Bruce Ecker book on Coherence Therapy and he also mentions EFT and EMDR.
Can you describe your experience in a little more detail? Such as how long you did it, what the improvements were, etc.? |
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alix
USA
434 Posts |
Posted - 03/16/2013 : 11:15:50
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Hi pspa. Just a bit of background. I initially thought EFT was the most goofy new-age nonsense. But then I had a couple of NET sessions where the practitioner finds repressed memories and then applies some sort of EFT to erase the noxious effect. It worked great.
I looked for practices that resembled what she did and stumbled on FasterEFT that was very close.
I did it for a couple of months. I used the stuff that I had been journaling and just went down the list doing what is in the video I just posted. So I can recall all the negative memories now and there is no emotion attached to them. I feel completely indifferent.
That did not make me pain free but the pain would cycle abruptly, so I knew that something was happening and I was getting somewhere. It is only when I adopted the "no thinking" technique (we discussed in another thread) that I really experienced longer and longer periods of symptom-free bliss.
Let me mention also programmed dreams that are in Steve-O's and Dr.Alexander's books.
You tell yourself 10 minutes before drifting to sleep that you would like to dream about an event that is bothering your subconscious. You will get incredibly vivid dreams about it. I remember them easily. Your dreams are a great source of unresolved emotional conflicts that are EFT material.
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pspa123
672 Posts |
Posted - 03/16/2013 : 11:26:52
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| Interesting. I will confess to being at the stage where it does seem like goofy new age nonsense, but I will check out the video as I know some reputable people are in the EFT camp. |
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alix
USA
434 Posts |
Posted - 03/16/2013 : 11:38:09
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I just updated my message with "programmed dreams". Try it. It is amazing for recalling emotional conflicts.
I still think EFT is goofy. I could never get into that set-up sentence. But FasterEFT makes much more sense to me. It gets really to the core of what you are trying to accomplish.
You can also try the self-administered EMDR video above. There seems to be more science around it so it may resonate with you. |
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Dr James Alexander
Australia
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Posted - 03/16/2013 : 15:13:12
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pspa123. EFT does sound pretty goofy, unless you look at it from a neurological and exposure therapy point of view if you are scientifically minded- people who are not often settle for the energy and meridian way of making sense of it as per traditional Chinese medicine. TCM may be valid, but whatever it is, it doesnt seem to be based on or verifiable by science (may be a limitation of science?). I'd suggest you listen to a Shrink Rap Radio podcast interview by David Feinstein on Energy Psychology- he discusses some of the research behind it.
Also, whoever mentioned it was correct- Sarno did not refer to CBT practitioners as, like physical therapy, he observed that this is not the type of psychology which creates changes that address chronic pain. Like physical therapy, CBT (and its derivatives) may be useful for a range of other problems, but not chronic pain. CBT etc is viewed as a counteractive therapy. i,e one in which the symptoms are controlled, kept in check, worked against. Sarno's observation, after having worked with more people in chronic pain than the rest of the world combined, was that depth-psychology approaches work at eradicating pain which is more resistant to change than mere information will move.
There are many types of depth-psychology to choose from. They are often (but not always) transformative approaches, whereby the (if successful) the person no longer has to work at anything for 1 month or 3 months or 6 months or the rest of their lives. The problematic emotions have been transformed and no longer need to be counteracted with affirmations or drugs or anything else. Sounds too good to be true, but listen to Shrink Rap Radio interview with Bruce Ecker and you will get just a glimpse of what is actually possible (and regularly occurs in the context of transformative therapies). And yes, these therapies do require that people revisit their past- not ignore or deny it or try and move on (the moving on quite naturally happens when reconsolidation has occurred). These processes and therapies are well known, available and effective- and highly suited to working with chronic pain.
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RikR
USA
94 Posts |
Posted - 03/16/2013 : 16:44:37
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I have been around long enough to see these “Novel” therapies like EFT and EMDR have be shouted from the roof tops only to fade into oblivion. Primal Scream, EST, Encounter, Rebirthing, TFT, Rorschach test and more are in the dump next to 9-track tapes.
Anytime you have a faulty premise all the following conclusions are in question. When Gary Craig “invented” EFT he based the premise on it working on “Subtle Energies” also known as energy meridians or Chi. This theory came from acupuncture – here is where the EFT premise of blown!!
Four randomized, double blind controlled scientific studies found that poking patients with tooth picks and not with needles was as, or more effective than real acupuncture treatments: http://www.time.com/time/health/article/0,8599,1897636,00.html
So if acupuncture does not work then the premise of EFT fails the basic premise test.
Remember when president Nixon went to China and saw a man operated on with only acupuncture –that was the first “China Gotcha” one of the Chinese doctors that later fled to the USA reported he was heavily medicated. Dr. Andrew Weil never had any training in EFT and was reported to “teach” a student how to tap to treat a headache. The student said the headache was better and Dr. Weil reported that he just randomly “tapped around somewhere” When he disclosed this to the student the headache came back.
If you want to engage some critical thinking you might want to read the book: Voodoo Science: The Road from Foolishness to Fraud
In his new book The Placebo Effect in Clinical Practice, psychiatrist Walter Brown of Brown University writes that “the history of medical/psychological treatment is largely a chronicle of placebos. When subjected to scientific scrutiny, the overwhelming majority of treatments have turned out to be devoid of intrinsic therapeutic effectiveness; they derived their benefits from the placebo effect.
Back in 2010 I was facilitating community mental health groups and we invited EFT and EMDR teacher sto our groups. These were people teaching others the practice not practitioners...these were the experts. The treated members for free for two months. During that time a few people reported benefits. Within a few months none maintained the benefits.
I believe it all boils down to the patients expectations and belief. In my practice people with anxiety carried Xanax in their pockets for years and never took one. If you asked them to dispose of them their anxiety went way up. I did placebo trials in college and saw people get major relief from a sugar pill or a suggestion.
With a placebo people relax and when they relax the parasympathetic system engages and they heal themselves. So use what ever works for you but please don’t pay a lot of money for these things – remember the old saying....
“A rube is born every minute and two are waiting in line to take their money”
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alix
USA
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Posted - 03/16/2013 : 18:54:09
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With a placebo people relax and when they relax the parasympathetic system engages and they heal themselves.
...but please don’t pay a lot of money for these things
I don't dispute that and I don't particularly care at this point. I am symptoms free. Maybe your education is an impediment to healing. I question however your motivation for asking a question and blasting the suggestions offered to you in response.
But let's discuss cost. I spent $50,000 (out of pocket) on an experimental pudendal nerve surgery by a top UCLA neurosurgeon that left me bedridden for 3 months in extreme pain and distress.
In contrast, I spent $280 on 2 NET sessions and bought a few books on iTunes that helped me recover from a 10 year nightmare. |
Edited by - alix on 03/17/2013 00:08:35 |
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