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Dr James Alexander
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 Posted - 03/16/2013 : 23:25:43
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RikR. All one needs to do is refer to the research evidence. Look up the EMDR Institute website and avail your self to the evidence (including research that controlled for placebo effects). Then ask yourself why nearly every credible mental health association and authority around the world endorses EMDR as an evidence based approach with the highest level of evidence. Anyone denying the state of research evidence is simply grinding their own axe for their own reasons (and i dont see why they think other people who are suffering will benefit from this). We are all ignorant of certain things, but to choose to remain in ignorance when the evidence is available (or to deny it) is something else again.
You seem to want to deny just about everything which Sarno reports from his several decades of practice, including not only the model which he uses to make sense of his observations, but also his observations themselves. Of course, this is anyone's prerogative, but why do it on a web site which is set up to help people using Sarno's ideas? There is a whole internet out there in which you can promote your own pet theories- why use a site called TMS Help, or TMS Wiki to do this? People who are suffering from chronic pain, and learn to call it TMS, come to these sites to try and get some clarification about the TMS model and see how they may be able to apply it to themselves. There is a whole internet out there in which you and others can ridicule this approach and promote your own- in fact, most of the world will agree with you- the world is your forum already. Why use this little part of the world to try and dissuade people from an approach which they have sought out and from which they hope to benefit (and many people do benefit from it).
Your criticisms of EMDR are pretty easily addressed in reference to the evidence. But this is just part of your overall rejection of depth-psychology approached in preference to surface level cognitive approaches. Sarno's approach, the TMS approach, is all about depth-psychology. You dont have to agree with it, but nor do you have to use TMS sites as vehicles in which to ridicule the very notions which these sites were created to promote. I suspect that your posts are only adding to the confusion and despair of people who are interested in using the TMS approach to heal themselves- perhaps interfering with their healing. I dont agree with many religions in the world, nor too many political doctrines, but i dont go to their chat rooms just to try and convince them that they are wrong and that they need to follow my cosmology. This doesnt mean that i agree with them, but that i respect their right to hold their own views unmolested by mine. If they want to debate me in the big world outside of their forum, fine- thats a different matter, but i will not gate-crash their forum (or lounge room) in order to disabuse them of their false beliefs. They have a right to their beliefs and their forum, unmolested by me. I think it would be a good idea for people who are wanting to disagree with most of Sanro's main tenants to ask themselves why they are engaged in this forum? Surely there are other chronic pain forums out there that dont reflect the depth-psychology approach of Sarno? There must be- yours is the majority view (in a world where between 1/3 and 1/6 people are suffering from chronic pain- could there be a relationship between these two facts?).
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pspa123
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Posted - 03/17/2013 : 08:49:41
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| James thanks for that very thoughtful post. It seems there is an endless tension here between depth psychology and cognitive behavioral approaches, and one can see it in the archoves going back years. |
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tennis tom
USA
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Posted - 03/17/2013 : 09:37:34
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Well said Dr. James, agree with you fully! On most any other forum, stuff like that would be considered "trolling". Due to the psychological nature of the topic and the "delicate" conditions of the participants, it's more common to bash TMS fundamentals.
Maybe it's another "defense mechanism" from having to "get it", and make changes that are scary. It's akin to going to a Dodge forum and saying: "Dodge's suck, Chevys rule, (but my engine's blown up).
Cheers,
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Edited by - tennis tom on 03/17/2013 09:38:17 |
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alix
USA
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Posted - 03/17/2013 : 13:13:32
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It shouldn't be a conflict. I can testify that I got symptoms free 50% by in-depth work and the other 50% by behavioral changes in my life.
I am not the only one.
I remember that Dr.Alexander in his book gives credit to the self-help books he read after his accident in addition to the in-depth work he did later. |
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pspa123
672 Posts |
Posted - 03/17/2013 : 14:07:34
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| Is it always "or," is it never "and"? -- Stephen Sondheim. |
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alix
USA
434 Posts |
Posted - 03/17/2013 : 15:18:49
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| Exactly. Sondheim? The "West side story" author? |
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pspa123
672 Posts |
Posted - 03/17/2013 : 15:35:32
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| He wrote the lyrics yes. The quote is from into the woods. |
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alix
USA
434 Posts |
Posted - 03/17/2013 : 16:12:12
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It is funny that you mention him. When I was a kid in the 60s, my European born parents took me on a cruise from Italy to Asia.
The Italian orchestra on the ship played non stop for 2 weeks West side story. We just couldn't take it anymore:
"I like to be in America
Okay by me in America
Everything free in America"
And 20 years later, I emigrated to... America. The power of the subconscious?
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