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alix
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 Posted - 03/14/2013 : 16:56:45
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I think we all agree that the fear of symptoms keeps them alive. Being in the now completely removes that fear. You have no thoughts so there is no fear.
When I started really practicing this, I would be 100% pain free until I would pay attention to my thoughts and the pain would come back. |
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pspa123
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Posted - 03/14/2013 : 16:57:49
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Originally posted by pspa123
Is playing basketball passionately, caring very much if you win or lose, and not just for the sake of playing, experiencing the thrill of victory and the agony of defeat as they say, a "strain"?
Drive a wedge between feeling and life and the human is extinguished. What the hell is this, 'Stepford Wives Healing'? We're not misunderstanding, we have blood in our veins. Speak to this, speak to the human and watch the healing escalate.
As I admitted before, I may not "get" some of what is being said, but some of the mindfulness stuff to me anyhow does have that Stepford feel to it. |
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Ace1
USA
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Posted - 03/14/2013 : 16:57:58
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| It's that extra force or strain beyond normal which is what I'm talking about. We have learned to try to push our wants and needs beyond what is normal. That is the strain I mean. That doesn't make you better and only closes your mind off We weren't created to work that way. So yes it's a new way of thinking. Im not saying this is easy, but I would rather be pain free than to be like that, that's just me though. Like alix said you can still very much enjoy the sport, but the intensity behind it is what is gone. Like I said once you are cured, you will be able to get away with this occasionally, but when trying to reverse the syndrome, I don't think it is good because your nervous system can't take it right now. |
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pspa123
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Posted - 03/14/2013 : 17:01:24
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Originally posted by alix
I think we all agree that the fear of symptoms keeps them alive. Being in the now completely removes that fear. You have no thoughts so there is no fear.
When I started really practicing this, I would be 100% pain free until I would pay attention to my thoughts and the pain would come back.
I am not sure about this. I thought Ace said in a thread where he and Balto and maybe others were talking about this that he never feared his symptoms so losing fear was not important for him. |
Edited by - pspa123 on 03/14/2013 17:02:08 |
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pspa123
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Posted - 03/14/2013 : 17:03:57
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| Just for the hell of it, a quote from Yeats: The best lack all conviction, while the worst are full of passionate intensity. |
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pspa123
672 Posts |
Posted - 03/14/2013 : 17:08:02
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| And one from Sondheim (Susan, name that tune): If life were only moments, then you'd never know you'd had one. |
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alix
USA
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Posted - 03/14/2013 : 17:09:29
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Originally posted by pspa123
I am not sure about this. I thought Ace said in a thread where he and Balto and maybe others were talking about this that he never feared his symptoms so losing fear was not important for him.
I think it shows the infinite variety of our experiences. For me I had traumatic experiences in my life and I really needed to get over that also and for Ace it does not like it was a big factor. I was successful at remembering the past and letting that go. So for me the unconscious/implicit memory/repressed trauma was as important as the mindfulness. But mindfulness helped me to get rid of the fear.
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plum
United Kingdom
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Posted - 03/14/2013 : 17:30:33
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Originally posted by pspa123
Just for the hell of it, a quote from Yeats: The best lack all conviction, while the worst are full of passionate intensity.
And just for the hell of it, a quote from Emily Dickinson:
"Nature is a haunted house, but art a house that wants to be haunted." |
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Ace1
USA
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Posted - 03/14/2013 : 17:34:50
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| So in my keys, I said you have to desensitize yourself to things that hype you up. For alix, that was a few things in the past, by remembering and desensitizing. For me the past was not that important. The desensitation to the past is helpful, if you keep remembering these past events and if they cause you react to things in your present life. Sometimes, during my recovery, if I felt compassion for my past, it in a way, broke up my current intense train of thought and led to a more peaceful state of mind bc of the compassion part, so I do not think it was the thought of the actual past event that did the work. I could see how this could be mistaken however. That was a great quote pspa btw. |
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shawnsmith
Czech Republic
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Posted - 03/14/2013 : 18:22:30
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The past and the future are both illusions. They only exist in your mind. The only thing that is real is the now. Most of what we tell ourselves about "our past" is fabricated. Not the events themselves, but the story or interpretation surrounding those events. I personally, at this point of my life's journey, hardly believe anything my mind tells me I remember, because my mind puts its own twist on things, and it is mostly bull-sh**t.
What are you saying, Shawn? I am saying that no matter what happened to you in the past, your understanding or interpretation of what took place is incorrect because no one can have a full picture of what really took place. You may think you are certain that your interpretation is correct and that there is no other possible explanation, but that is just ego talking-- Ego says "I am right no matter the evidence to the contrary"-- but the evidence of your interpretation is flimsy when you bring it into question. Don't believe me? Think I am totally full of ****? Are convinced I have gone totally off the deep end? Then I invite you to listen to this book by Byron Katie: http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL6EA2A66F1B5ED871
Breathe into baby, because the truth is beautiful. And the truth is your mind continually lies to you and you swallow it hook, line and sinker.
Breathing in and breathing out...............................
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“Living up to an image that you have of yourself or that
other people have of you is inauthentic living – another unconscious role the ego plays.” -- Ekhart Tolle |
Edited by - shawnsmith on 03/14/2013 18:23:43 |
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pspa123
672 Posts |
Posted - 03/14/2013 : 18:46:05
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So we beat on, boats against the current, borne back ceaselessly unto the past. -- Fitzgerald.
Memory believes before knowing remembers -- Faulkner.
The past is prologue -- Shakespeare.
He who controls the past controls the present -- Orwell.
The child is father to the man -- Blood Sweat and Tears.
Whether or not we may sometimes misinterpret it, in my opinion the past is very real and an integral part of who we are. |
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shawnsmith
Czech Republic
2048 Posts |
Posted - 03/14/2013 : 18:54:25
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Did you read the book I recommended pspa123? I read it 5 times.
Did you read any of these writers you quoted or did you just google quotes on the word past?
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“Living up to an image that you have of yourself or that
other people have of you is inauthentic living – another unconscious role the ego plays.” -- Ekhart Tolle |
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pspa123
672 Posts |
Posted - 03/14/2013 : 18:59:47
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| No need to be snide Shawn. I did not google ****, I have read each of those works of literature in which those quotes appear and hundreds more. The Child is Father to the Man is the name of an album by the way, not a book as far as I know. |
Edited by - pspa123 on 03/14/2013 19:02:26 |
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pspa123
672 Posts |
Posted - 03/14/2013 : 19:08:01
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| Oh sheesh my post was censored LOL. Well you can guess what was blipped out. I really don't get the resort to a personal insult, but whatever. |
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shawnsmith
Czech Republic
2048 Posts |
Posted - 03/14/2013 : 19:21:29
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I was not being snide, I was merely asking a question. Sorry if I came across that way. I am always glad to hook up with people who have read good literature.
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pspa123
672 Posts |
Posted - 03/14/2013 : 19:23:19
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| OK but read your words I think you can see why I interpreted it that way. |
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DrewMartin
USA
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Posted - 03/30/2013 : 17:23:40
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Hi folks,
Following up on this, I created a new post that includes a link to a Gnaural preset I created to help me to relax and meditate.
Gnaural is Mac software that uses sound to create mental states.
http://www.thebiglistofawesome.com/theta-gnaural-preset-for-skilled-relaxation/
I included affirmations, instructions, and the whole shebang. Check it out. If it does not work for you let me know in the comments.
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alix
USA
434 Posts |
Posted - 03/30/2013 : 18:02:23
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| Thanks. I got distracted by your post on the BMW toaster. As a gear-head, I really enjoyed it. |
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stocktrader
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Posted - 08/15/2013 : 13:55:02
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