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chickenbone

Panama
398 Posts

Posted - 02/27/2013 :  13:38:26  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
RikR, Thanks a million. The link you sent me is wonderful. I think, and my husband thinks too (he is a doctor) that my undiagnosed parathyroid problem caused me a lot of mental issues. The stupid doctors didn't think I had it, even though my calcium was over 10 and PTH was in the high normal range. It wasn't until I found Dr. James Norman's website parathyroid.com, that I discovered that all the doctors were wrong and I did have a tumor after all. This is a very common story.

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bryan3000

USA
513 Posts

Posted - 02/27/2013 :  14:09:46  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by RikR



Bryan

Having a master in counseling has little meaning unless you know the institution that granted it and the course work. A real master in counseling is a 6 year program – there are schools that confer an MA in a year or less or all on line. My education was a 9 year program and I was totally unprepared to know about true anxiety therapy.

I have a second doctorate – this one is a Doctorate of Divinity –want to get married I can do it. A good friend bought the degree for me as a joke 20 years ago.

The really good anxiety therapists have a PhD – studied in an anxiety only treatment setting and had a mentor therapist who had been an anxiety therapist for a significant time. People like Dr. Paul Foxman or Dr. Ed Bourne



Well I certainly can't argue with your credentials.

But I can speak from experience and say that the two people who almost killed me where highly credentialed, MD's, PhDs, etc. I've dealt with scores of anxiety "experts" via my insurance company with a laundry list of letters after their names. None has been as effective in treatment as the one I'm working with now. Not even close.

I'm wondering how many average people have access to the top level, anxiety specialists you speak of? I'd imagine there are only a handful of people like this in the world. The average doctor/psych's true understanding of anxiety out there is frightening.

I will admit, AC's approach does seem a bit more "by the people for the people" than your average anxiety "expert" in one's Blue Cross plan. But, in my estimation... and my research has been extensive both in data collection and in experience... I find their approach to be second to none.

So, I do understand your delineation in credentials between various treatment professionals. I guess I just hoped you would be more specific as to which counselor at their center you found to be lacking credentials or unfit. There are a small handful, most have been working for years... and a couple I've spoken with. Seems that with the kind of warning you put forth, it would be prudent to elaborate a bit.

In fact, I can quite easily obtain the information on any of these therapists and we can search it out ourselves here, and potentially save anyone the concern?
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shawnsmith

Czech Republic
2048 Posts

Posted - 02/27/2013 :  14:32:10  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Here are the bios of all the Anxiety Center personal coaches along with their credentials: http://www.anxietycentre.com/personal-coaching.shtml

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"The urge to just be done with what we are doing and to go on to the next task is the number one cause of tms and everything is compounded on top of this. It is so ingrained that most will not see it even when they are told that it is there. It took me a long time to see this and figure this out through deductive reasoning. It also explains why our society has a lot of back pain but it is non-existent in the tribal community." --- Ace
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RikR

USA
94 Posts

Posted - 02/27/2013 :  15:47:07  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
A real clue is when a person calls themselves a coach or a counselor. There are terms that fly under the state licensing requirements. In order to call yourself a therapist or a psychologist there are state licensing regulations.

If you really want to sort the wheat from the chaff ask them if they have malpractice insurance. When I was licensed we were required by law to have insurance to practice. Most insurance companies wont insure you unless you were educated at a well recognized accredited college.

In most states if a patient harms themselves or someone else and as a mental health professional you should have known, or failed to report it you can be sued.

I have to agree that there are functional idiots with MD’s and PhD’s. One told me I was terminal 6 years ago and that was what started this whole mess
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bryan3000

USA
513 Posts

Posted - 02/27/2013 :  18:23:13  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
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Originally posted by RikR

A real clue is when a person calls themselves a coach or a counselor. There are terms that fly under the state licensing requirements. In order to call yourself a therapist or a psychologist there are state licensing regulations.

If you really want to sort the wheat from the chaff ask them if they have malpractice insurance. When I was licensed we were required by law to have insurance to practice. Most insurance companies wont insure you unless you were educated at a well recognized accredited college.

In most states if a patient harms themselves or someone else and as a mental health professional you should have known, or failed to report it you can be sued.

I have to agree that there are functional idiots with MD’s and PhD’s. One told me I was terminal 6 years ago and that was what started this whole mess



OK Rik. I guess I misunderstood you to be claiming one of these people was misrepresenting their qualifications. They seem to be plainly listed, as Shawn pointed out. I mistook what you said, perhaps. Because as I see it, they appear perfectly suited to what they are doing. They're certainly light-years ahead of the many "experts" I had the displeasure of wasting my (and my company's) money on when I was first "sick."

One of the advantages they have is that they are indeed specialists. They don't put "anxiety" on their website bio like your average therapist does to bring in more business.
(Or "slots" as one of my old therapists used to call us... we were "slots.")

Their counselors meet weekly, take continuing education, and solely work with those who have suffered from nervous system disorders. So, while their walls my not be decorated as nicely as some of the higher paid therapists, they live and breathe this disorder 24/7 with people. Hence, it's not a surprise most have found their help to be so far above the average.

Then again, I've stated before... the people who helped me with my recovery the most thus far... had no medical credentials. They were people who had lived it. People like Hillbilly, Balto and others I've met in the journey long before I found this site. So, it may be that very nature of having lived the disorder that has made them so effective for many of us, as opposed to an expensive diploma.

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shawnsmith

Czech Republic
2048 Posts

Posted - 02/28/2013 :  05:36:31  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
"If someone has more, knows more, or can do more than I, the ego
feels threatened because the feeling of “less” diminishes its imagined sense
of self relative to the other. It may then try to restore itself by somehow
diminishing, criticizing, or belittling the value of the other person's
possessions, knowledge, or abilities. Or the ego may shift its strategy, and
instead of competing with the other person, it will enhance itself by
association with that person, if he or she is important in the eyes of others." -- Ekhart Tolle
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