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Sylvia
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 Posted - 02/23/2013 : 05:22:27
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The title a lyric from Peter Gabriel.
Here is darling Peter
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X0C3DHp36zc
All my memories are fabrications, none of them are real or accurate, that is a fact----discuss.
Those emotions to get at that are triggered from the biased slanted fill-in the blank story we can tell ourselves ARE real, no matter what the story, in the past memory trigger, that FEELING is accurate.
Where IS the feeling? Manufactured in the present alone? Held in the body? Heck where are YOU? the YOU of you? Non local or in your brain? Who knows?
All I know is severe TMSrs are one note wonders. We DONT seem to have the full range of emotional expression available to us. We are restrained. We do not have a rich inner life, of FEELING we have a rich if you can call it that of INTELLECTUAL life. Which is hardly a rich organic natural life.
Why didn't I stick with Ace's Way? Because I realized it is pure mental, evading feeling. And I think FEELING is where it is at. What do I know I aint cured. But I have a sense for me it is gong to be Dr. Schubiner work, or it could just as well be Nicoles journal only book. John Kehoe is reprogramming the subconcious unconscious whatever. I do not think these mental sayings are getting rid of strain, I think it becomes constrained in a way that feels like it may be ease, but maybe not.
I think until you have the full range of you, you are constrained.
What do I know? Not much. No degrees or nothing. You all can discuss this and maybe some good can come of it.
I don't want to be a one note, I want to play a symphony of my life of the fullest richest timbre. |
Edited by - Sylvia on 02/23/2013 09:23:43 |
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plum
United Kingdom
641 Posts |
Posted - 02/23/2013 : 05:36:14
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Amen.
I'm late to this non-feeling party. I was always free in life and in feeling. I let an awful shock shake me out of that beauty. I shared that former self with someone recently and it felt good, it felt right.
Great point about the intellectualisation of feeling. Give me the raw emotion. I can blaze.
Still loving your fire Sylvia. |
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shawnsmith
Czech Republic
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Posted - 02/23/2013 : 05:44:20
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Hi Sylvia,
How much time and real effort did you put into Ace's keys? He suggests working on it consistently all day, every day for 3 months as a start.
You sound a bit confused this morning, but I totally understand.
Regardless of what route you chose to go, I hope you would take the time to listen to at least on of these audio talks everyday: http://tmshelp.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=8097
Be patient! Be well! |
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plum
United Kingdom
641 Posts |
Posted - 02/23/2013 : 05:56:22
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She sounds wonderfully lucid to me.
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shawnsmith
Czech Republic
2048 Posts |
Posted - 02/23/2013 : 06:16:50
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Stop and consider Ace's key number 4, which I think is related to this thread:
"Recognize that certain situations make your symptoms worse. This is because you have said a lot of negative things, thought a lot of negative thoughts, or done something with extreme intensity about these situations in the past. This may be related to being sensitized to the situation from your childhood or some other reason. You have to decondition yourself to these situations."
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gigalos
Netherlands
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Posted - 02/23/2013 : 07:11:17
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I can't add anything to the discussion other than that I thank you for bringing up this song and making me listen to (feel!) all the other great songs he has made.
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Ace1
USA
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Posted - 02/23/2013 : 08:29:24
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| If you are not cured ( or significantly better) you cannot make a comment on what works bc you don't know. I just hope that people who are getting better are not confused by your post Sylvia. Why not share what works when you come back in a better health state? |
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shawnsmith
Czech Republic
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Posted - 02/23/2013 : 09:03:17
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| I personally am not confused as I under where Sylvia is coming from. She is suffering and wants relief. It is totally understandable that she would want that relief quickly. But your keys to healing, Ace, require time and patience and people are generally impatient. People who suffer don't want to hear that it is necessary to practice self discipline, patience, restraint and a re-ordering of their thinking patterns as a pre-requisite to healing. What they want to hear is that if they read this or that book they will miraculously wake up and be totally recovered with minimal effort. But as you stated in your key number 10, "You also have to be consistent with this on an everyday basis. THIS WAS THE MOST IMPORTANT PART OF MY RECOVERY." |
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cakeflowfatt
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Posted - 02/23/2013 : 09:12:06
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Sylvia
I understand. I wonder the same things.
Do others have trouble determining your mood?
Think you are mad/sad when you aren't?
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Sylvia
199 Posts |
Posted - 02/23/2013 : 09:21:04
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quote:
Originally posted by Ace1
If you are not cured ( or significantly better) you cannot make a comment on what works bc you don't know. I just hope that people who are getting better are not confused by your post Sylvia. Why not share what works when you come back in a better health state?
Prove it Ace. Prove your theory and keys work. Just because it worked for you doesn't mean you'd put all your cancer patients on macrobiotic diets because someone was convinced they were cured by it.
Where is the proof?
Dr. Schubiner HAS the proof. His system works, and is working even better after the addition of ISTDP he says.
What you have is your theories and a #1 cheerleader in Shawnsmith. Nothing much has worked for Shawn, so why not go with the Ace Keys, I get that. If I am terminal I'm not going to get rotten feeling treatments, I'll eat me some macrobiotic why not.
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Ace1
USA
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Posted - 02/23/2013 : 09:25:48
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| I completely understand what your saying Shawn. I just could see some reading what's said above and thinking ok Sylvia is saying this isn't helpful Let me stop and try what she is doing. Now it's fine if she found a good way of getting relief that's different from what I said, however that is not the case here and as you know people in pain are desperate and easily swayed. I just want to be clear on what I meant was the most important part of my recovery. I meant the whole key, not just the persistence part, althought that is definitely part of it. I will clarify that on my list. |
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shawnsmith
Czech Republic
2048 Posts |
Posted - 02/23/2013 : 09:40:34
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Originally posted by Sylvia
Nothing much has worked for Shawn...
That's not true. I have found help from many sources, and if you saw me you would not even know I had TMS. At one time I could not even walk, and now I walk, bike and hike frequently. And the proof of the pudding, as they say, is in the eating. You have to try it, really try it, before you can know for sure.
BTW, Balto also recovered using similar methods as Ace's, and Eric is almost totally out of the water also. |
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Ace1
USA
1040 Posts |
Posted - 02/23/2013 : 10:03:17
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Sylvia
I am not trying to prove anything. I just would rather, when your better from one treatment or another come back and say Im better and I have nothing that took its place and its bc of such and such. Actually in the beginning Shawn did not believe what I had to say, but I asked him to just try what I had to say wholeheartedly for 3 months and he is very open minded and he tried it. I know he's better but I don't think he wants to talk about his progress bc I understand that sometimes can slow you down. Why don't you go and look back at all of the real success stories and see what they all have in common as a general sense. Hillbilly used to say that and that makes total sense. I can't say I read the study you quote as proof. I don't call it proof if it doesn't have the following. Was it compared to a placebo such as chiropractic care or the like? Do you know the placebo effect has up to a 30% effect (30 people out of a hundred in general will say a treatment worked for them when it was just placebo). The kicker is that a placebo effect never lasts. Another is were there new illnesses in the people that were better? ( I mean any new illness), if the study does not contain this then this is no proof at all. If so however it is more compelling, but the biggest and most important is long term follow up, what was the result after 5 years out including other illnesses? |
Edited by - Ace1 on 02/23/2013 12:45:40 |
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shawnsmith
Czech Republic
2048 Posts |
Posted - 02/24/2013 : 05:05:31
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quote:
[i]Originally posted by Sylvia[/i
Prove it Ace. Prove your theory and keys work. Just because it worked for you doesn't mean you'd put all your cancer patients on macrobiotic diets because someone was convinced they were cured by it.
Where is the proof?
Sylvia,
These words may be of some assistance to you.
Eckhart Tolle - QA Sample - Dealing With Anger, Resistance and Pessimism
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aqX5IFKYFWk |
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eric watson
USA
601 Posts |
Posted - 02/24/2013 : 06:12:01
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sylvia-my coolness
your a rose centered between knowledge
your very intelectual-we all see and know
thank you sylvisa for seeing the need for those of us
that had to believe aces keys-i had to
it took care of a part i didnt want to go too
heres how we get it done -ok
look for what works best for you
heres the way
1) sarno
2) steveo
3) ace
see they all work in unisone
then youll be saying -hey guys i got it
your a strong person sylvia
you will get to fulfillment.
i feel compelled to thank you for your strong spirit
soon enough sylvia youll see , you are right
right sylvia style-you bring a power that can heal
when you heal, learn from your rd to recovery your own now
youll look back and thank me, but most of all
those that dont see- itll be singing in the trees time for them
when sylvia shows them the way.
any argument-any setback -will go away
you acknowledge it as so- ok
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NicoleSachsLCSW
USA
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Posted - 02/24/2013 : 14:16:32
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I hear you, sister. Please, don't be afraid to feel. I say this not in disagreement with Ace or anything related as I've never read it... I simply speak to you in response to your post. Feeling things is the hardest thing you will ever do. Nothing is more daunting, but the result in a pain-free life, in my humble opinion and my life. I wish you all the best.
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Originally posted by Sylvia
The title a lyric from Peter Gabriel.
Here is darling Peter
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X0C3DHp36zc
All my memories are fabrications, none of them are real or accurate, that is a fact----discuss.
Those emotions to get at that are triggered from the biased slanted fill-in the blank story we can tell ourselves ARE real, no matter what the story, in the past memory trigger, that FEELING is accurate.
Where IS the feeling? Manufactured in the present alone? Held in the body? Heck where are YOU? the YOU of you? Non local or in your brain? Who knows?
All I know is severe TMSrs are one note wonders. We DONT seem to have the full range of emotional expression available to us. We are restrained. We do not have a rich inner life, of FEELING we have a rich if you can call it that of INTELLECTUAL life. Which is hardly a rich organic natural life.
Why didn't I stick with Ace's Way? Because I realized it is pure mental, evading feeling. And I think FEELING is where it is at. What do I know I aint cured. But I have a sense for me it is gong to be Dr. Schubiner work, or it could just as well be Nicoles journal only book. John Kehoe is reprogramming the subconcious unconscious whatever. I do not think these mental sayings are getting rid of strain, I think it becomes constrained in a way that feels like it may be ease, but maybe not.
I think until you have the full range of you, you are constrained.
What do I know? Not much. No degrees or nothing. You all can discuss this and maybe some good can come of it.
I don't want to be a one note, I want to play a symphony of my life of the fullest richest timbre.
Embrace your Truth, Create your Life. |
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pspa123
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Posted - 02/24/2013 : 14:23:11
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Since feeling is first
Who pays any attention to the syntax of things
Will never wholly kiss you
ee cummings |
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shawnsmith
Czech Republic
2048 Posts |
Posted - 02/24/2013 : 15:45:46
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| It is not merely a question of "feeling," but how do you respond to those feelings once you become aware of them. Some people can allow their feelings to so overwhelm them that they fall into great despair, thus the proper tools are needed to deal with this. I feel that Ace's keys, which are in part based on 5000 year old mindfulness / spiritual teachings, are a good start. |
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Sylvia
199 Posts |
Posted - 02/25/2013 : 15:27:51
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Sorry Shawn I must be mixing you up with someone else. You could barely walk but got better how? And then Ace's way is taking you the rest of the way? Or Aces Keys got you able to walk. I'm glad for you. I don't know who I mixed you up with, I thought that you were in a bad way.
Ace I don't want to pick on you. I was going to keep to your Keys, heck before that I was gonna keep to SteveO's book, and then Dr. Schubiner with that NIH study with Fibromyalgia wow does this seem of great promise.
I agree that the past doesn't matter. But I think that feeling feelings do. And if you get back to really crappy memories and plan to FEEL it I think that helps to see how in the present how bland and cutoff one can be in regard to their feelings. I say I and many others are one note FEELERS, there isn't a whole huge range.
Not fight or flight but freeze as a habitual response.
Ace if you can explain to me how your Keys can thaw a persons feeling/emotional life I am all ears.
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Sylvia
199 Posts |
Posted - 02/25/2013 : 15:32:33
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eric I swear you are romancing me with your sweettalk. Thank you.
Nicole I want to be free and open wide and expressive the way I sense that you are.
plum, I am glad you are off on your healing quest, good for you.
pspa, don't even get me started on kissing
cakeflowfat, I'm not sure if people don't know what I'm feeling. |
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shawnsmith
Czech Republic
2048 Posts |
Posted - 02/25/2013 : 16:28:59
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Originally posted by Sylvia
Sorry Shawn I must be mixing you up with someone else. You could barely walk but got better how?
A lot of trial and error on my part. At one time I would not have been ready to embrace the ideas contained in Ace's keys, but when I became tired of suffered then I came around. I honestly, and I am telling you the truth, I am not suffering at this moment. There is a difference between pain and suffering. People can actually experience pain yet not suffer. Mindfulness teaches you how. |
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